The 3 series suffered a slight bump on Friday evening ... a deer ran out in front of me and is, sadly, no more. The sight is not one that I will be able to forget in a hurry.
Anyway, the deer died instantly. I went to check, and it was on the verge and clearly no longer with us. My question is, do I need to notify anyone about this? I know someone who lives in the nearby village and have asked him if anyone there is farming deer - although that is mainly to point out that their gate was wide open and that this may not be a good idea.
I'm just worried that someone with a clipboard will turn up asking why my mandatory driver's vetinary undertaker's training certificate seems to be missing; if they do then I'd like to be able to say that I thought I'd done right....
(Sorry for the pun, btw.)
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What type of deer?
Farmed deer are usually red deer, very large and unlikely to escape (the ones around here are very well fenced).
Wild deer include fallow, roe and muntjac all of which I see by the roadside here in west oxfordshire. Muntjac and roe deer are small and the most likely, fallow deer are rather larger and would give more than a 'slight bump'.
No need to inform anyone, istr you are not allowed to pick up the carcass if you kill a deer but the following car can pick it up.
StarGazer
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Not sure where you stand legally,but if it had been me,my deep freeze would now be full of venison.y******.
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my deep freeze would now be full of venison.y******.
I was a bit too upset to think of that .... (and blood is a devil to clean off seats and boot linings...)
Thanks Stargazer - now you mention it I seem to recall a rule along those lines. The victim was quite small - body below a 3 series bonnet but its head pokes above*. Colouring was brown with black flecks, rather than red.
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*go on, ask me how I know that... :-(
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You missed out on a tasty burger there.
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The 3 series suffered a slight bump on Friday evening ... a deer ran out in front of me and is, sadly, no more?
Are you sure that the incident was not just staged to allow you to use this thread title? Couldn't it all have been avoided by using your horn?
Anyway, I'm sure it's good you weren't going faster or it might have been turned into a mousse.
Hope you are uninjured, tho it must have been a bit of a shock. At least you didn't buck the trend to injury-free accidents on the backroom. And I trust that the car will not have to be sent to a dismantler?
(Sorry for the pun, btw.)
ditto, plurally :)
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NW - I'm lost for words....!
Hope you are uninjured, tho it must have been a bit of a shock.
Thanks - yes and yes!
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>Are you sure that the incident was not just staged to allow you to use this thread title? Couldn't it all have been avoided by using your horn?
Didn't you mean Are you sure that the incident was not just staged to allow you to use this thread title? Couldn't it all have been avoided by using your horn?
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Glad you are okay. I am fairly sure you do not need to report this to the police as it is a (dead)wild animal. If it was still thrashing around then dial 999 and the police will contact the relevant help for you, although most will die anyway due to trauma, not the least that of human contact. However, there is a project at the moment to collate details to improve accident stats. www.deercollisions.co.uk/pages/pr_071004.html
If it had been a pony then you must contact the police - it is horrifying how many 'hit and runs' there are in the New Forest, leaving animals in agony for hours.
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Whoops, meant to give link to report form: www.deer-uk.com/news_page_19.htm
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I'm assuming you didn't say
"D'oh! A deer! A female deer."
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Picture the scene. Two in the morning, and a younger Mapmaker is (alone) at a hunt kennels, tucked up in his bed asleep. Bang bang on the door, and it is a slightly distressed damsel - there's a deer been hit on the road outside kennels and it is lying there, still alive, please will I come and do something.
I grab my pistol and wander out to see a very dead looking muntjac. 'Poor thing,' they say. 'Don't worry, there are plenty more where that one came from,' say I, 'what about the car?' Car driver was standing there with front fender in his hand, looking rather sorry for himself, says 'Oh it's OK, the car will mend, that poor deer won't.'
Mapmaker slings deer over shoulder and walks home and looks forward to roast venison, car drives off.
Yes, no need to report it. Deer are game, so are the property of the person on whose ground they are at the time. Killing game is not an offence, but if you were to take the corpse away you would, strictly speaking, be poaching - having used 'an engine' to take game. The car behind, of course, or the local hunt servant, could pick it up.
If you dial 999 they'll send somebody out to shoot it. A friend of mine has put himself on the police's local list for dealing with injured deer. He always has a freezer full of venison...
Whatever you do, don't bury it otherwise you will fall foul of the laws on burying dead stock...
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And would attract some attention for digging a hole at the side of the road in the dead of night. Only workers on the M25 J12-14 are allowed to do that.
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And would attract some attention for digging a hole at the side of the road in the dead of night. Only workers on the M25 J12-14 are allowed to do that.
I thought they usually dug their holes in the middle of the road, to maximise disruption
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I very very nearly picked up a Chinese Water Deer last Friday lunchtime (the 14th) - it was just where you leave the M10 to join the M1. Traffic was so slow I was very very very tempted to stop...
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Only workers on the M25 J12-14 are allowed to do that.
About time they actually did a bit of digging, then.... ;-)
Thanks, MM. If I'd called 999 to be told that they'd send someone with a rifle immediately then I might have got REALLY worried.
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My question is, do I need to notify anyone about this?
www.thamesvalley.police.uk/faq/default.asp?Action=...6
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>>Thames Valley Police - "vet"
Vet!!! Vet!!! Muntjac and Chinese Water deer are non-native species anyway. And there are more deer in the UK than ever before, too. Foxes are vermin. Badgers are over-running the country. And they want to send a VET!
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Happened to me some 10 years ago. Suicidal Munjack jumped out of a hedge at point blank range and made a considerable mess of my Astra. I reported to the police who were uninterested.
On the insurance form, in answer to the question "Whose fault was the accident" I was able to answer "The deer's".
Downside: I had to drive a Montego estate whilst they fixed the Astra.
Upside: The Astra had been due to be returned to the firm the following week so I did n't have to clean it up before returning.
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Thanks, DD.
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I used to work for MAFF, now known as DEFRA at Elmbridge Court in Gloucester. Our office was next to the Ministry Vets and they used to deal with picking up roadkill, predominantly badgers. They used to test them for disease, predominantly but not exclusively TB. Thames Valley Vets may well do a similar job.
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Glad you're ok and a quick dispatch for the animal.
Fallow, Roe, Red, Muntjac, just be grateful it wasn't a John Deere!
Steve.
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Also glad you're OK, patently.
Hitting a deer can be quite serious if of the larger variety. Some years ago my old headmaster's brother was killed when he hit a stag in the New Forest at speed late at night. Apparently, because they tend to have thin legs and large bodies, they are the right height and shape to roll up the bonnet and through the windscreen. Possibly less likely now with laminated screens but I believe elk are still a major killer in Scandanavia. Certainly not an experiment I would like to try just to test how strong laminated glass is, or not!
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Thanks, cockle.
I've just had the bill: with VAT, the wrong side of £4k.
Ouch ... now I'm really hurt.
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You should have been in the X5. That way you could have bumped over it with barely a backwards glance, pausing only to lash it to the bonnet for the drive home.
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Wouldn't have noticed it in the X5... ;-)
On reflection, there's probably been a trail of roadkill behind me ever since we got it. No wonder the safari park won't admit us any more.
Funny, I'm sure the invoice says it's blue, not red....
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I've just had the bill: with VAT, the wrong side of £4k.
Lucky you were not in the Porch, or it might have been a lot more expensive.
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Lucky you were not in the Porch, or it might have been a lot more expensive.
The thought had struck me that the low nose of the 911 and the gently sloping bonnet might have meant that the entire experience could well have been very different, never mind the cost. Especially if the roof had been open.
Ah well. The insurer has been kind enough to bring my no claims bonus tothe house so that I can kiss it goodbye...
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This may or may not cheer you up:
Insurance claim form from motorist who collided with a cow:
What warning of approach did you give, if any?
I sounded my horn.
What warning of approach did the other party give, if any?
Moo.
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Is it perhaps time to consider a set of bull bars for the porker?
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I was once with my mate in his Ford Escort estate when he hit a pheasant that ran out through a gap in a farm yard hedge.
He was doing 30mph and accelerating at the time. We stopped, turned round and were amazed to see the pheasant tottering around and then fleeing as we approached.
The Ford's front plastic grille had to be replaced as it was badly damaged....:-)
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Reminds me of a mate of mine who hit a pheasant which also smashed his radiator grill. The pheasant was n't so lucky .... by time my mate reached London there was a lovely smell of roast pheasant coming through the air vents!
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Reminds me of a mate of mine who hit a pheasant which also smashed his radiator grill. The pheasant was n't so lucky .... by time my mate reached London there was a lovely smell of roast pheasant coming through the air vents!
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On BBC R5 today a it was reported that there is a restaurant in the USA that specialises in cooking road your road kill if you take it to them. motto is "From your grill to ours"
Not sure about that but there are lots of places with that motto.
sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiROADKILL...l
or try this road killmenu
members.aol.com/mspowart/diner/diner.html
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Also glad you're OK, patently. Hitting a deer can be quite serious if of the larger variety. Some years ago my old headmaster's brother was killed when he hit a stag in the New Forest at speed late at night. Apparently, because they tend to have thin legs and large bodies, they are the right height and shape to roll up the bonnet and through the windscreen.
Seeing as I drive through the very dark New Forest on a daily basis, this kind of incident is a constant worry to me. I would imagine hitting a cow is even more "fun" than a deer or pony; for the same reason.
What baffles me are the amount of drivers, and particularly motorcylists, who ignore the New Forest blanket 40 mph speed limit, and charge into blind bends at 50 mph plus. I shudder to think of the results of an impact between a cow and a speeding motorcylist.
Having driven around Northern Finland a fair bit, a few years back, the elk are a major menace. They tend to stand in the road because the slipstream from passing cars help keep the mossies off, allegedly.
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Saab strengthen the roof and pillars to handle a moose impact - see www.lafferty.ca/photos/Things/Saab_9-3/tn/saab_moo...l
I remember seeing this picture in the Telegraph Motoring section a few years ago - apparantly, a split second after the picture was taken the rear tyres burst, but the cabin remained intact...
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Posted too quickly - found a better link to an explanatory article, containing anecdote from Eric Carlsson...
www.channel4.com/4car/feature/feature/thesaabmoose...b
moosecrashtest-33.html
JohnM
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We've had a couple of people hit deer along a road near the dealer I work at. So far as I know the incident wasn't reported to any authorities. However I hope your insurance company is understanding regarding the claim... I've seen the mess a deer makes of an A2 at 55mph and an A4 at 70. Neither is a pretty sight.
Glad you are ok though
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>>I've seen the mess a deer makes of an A2 at 55mph and an A4 at 70>>
I'll be OK then. I don't drive an Audi...:-)
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>>I've seen the mess a deer makes of an A2 at 55mph and an A4 at 70>> I'll be OK then. I don't drive an Audi...:-)
Or you could just get an an A4 and drive it at 69mph ...
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Herself did the same thing and I rang the constabulary. Dogs and horses have to be notified but not deer. They wanted to know where it was so they could put it in their freezer.
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Just a culinary hint, but the first thing you should do is hang it up in a tree and gralloch it, especially if it's been hit by a car perhaps occasioning internal injuries. You can always drape the corpse over the bonnet or roof if it's too big to get in the boot. Not everyone carries a chainsaw with them. And if you don't have a freezer, spread it around to your family and friends. It should keep for a week or two in this weather without becoming too gamey for my rather squeamish taste. Interesting point about deer though: since they are wild animals there's nothing to stop them eating maize etc just after it's been sprayed with noxious substances by our industrial farmers. Chuck the liver and kidneys away.
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There's a dead fallow[?] lying beside the A281 south of Horsham. It's been there a day or so now, so if anyone fancies collecting it, they may need a mask...
I was once told by a deer farmer that if a deer dies while under stress, it's adrenalin taints the meat and renders it worthless. That's apparently why deer have to be slaughtered on the farm, as transporting them is too stressful.
Deer impacts are getting ridiculously commonplace. I've seen one demolish the whole front of a Range-Rover. [£7.5 grand! Yep; shoulda had a bull-bar!]
Nobody ever want's to know about an RTA-injured deer; the police won't come unless it was drunk; a vet wants paying - or it's Pet-Plan number; so it's usually muggins that ends up despatching the poor thing with a hammer and chisel while some incoherent woman screams abuse at me and wants to call Rolf Harris!
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It depends where in the country, you kill your deer. In certain areas the deer belong to the sovereign, taking the Queen's deer is still punishable by death (summary execution in fact)which upon a moments reflection, is only fair and reasonable.
What did you say your real name is? Oh and could we have your address?
;-)
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despatching the poor thing with a hammer and chisel while some incoherent woman screams abuse at me and wants to call Rolf Harris!
Why, some kind of variant on "Tie me Kangaroo down sport"?
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Deer impacts are getting ridiculously commonplace. I've seen one demolish the whole front of a Range-Rover.
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Or other vehicles -
Not a pretty sight so cut n paste
www.dyna.co.za/cars/Car_-_Hunting_11.jpg
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I beleive it is correct to inform the local police station where it happened of the incident and would you beliave it is illegal to pick up the game and put it your freezer but the car behind canI had this happen to one of my company cars and you can here the transport manager saying yeh right a dear ran out. He didn't laugh when there was no damage on the front but the top of the bonnet and the wipers and the top of the O/S wing was crushed by a deer that jumped up and over a snow bank and landed on me, what a bang. The deer slid off and limped into the darkness. A83 5 miles north of Glensee but heading south. Regards Peter
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Try it on two wheels!
vbr..................md
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peter I know that road very well and had many narrow escapes from deer jumping on the road,didnt used to be a problem on the south road from the ski lift only to the north but it is both sides now and roe deer further down the glen
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There's a dead fallow[?] lying beside the A281 south of Horsham. It's been there a day or so now, so if anyone fancies collecting it, they may need a mask... I was once told by a deer farmer that if a deer dies while under stress, it's adrenalin taints the meat and renders it worthless. That's apparently why deer have to be slaughtered on the farm, as transporting them is too stressful. Deer impacts are getting ridiculously commonplace. I've seen one demolish the whole front of a Range-Rover. [£7.5 grand! Yep; shoulda had a bull-bar!] Nobody ever want's to know about an RTA-injured deer; the police won't come unless it was drunk; a vet wants paying - or it's Pet-Plan number; so it's usually muggins that ends up despatching the poor thing with a hammer and chisel while some incoherent woman screams abuse at me and wants to call Rolf Harris!
Most women are incoherent at some time or another. I have just had dinner with Daughter, Wife and Mum-in-Law and the yap about make up, TV, this and that takes some believing. Give 'em some decent red wine and things improve......that is until Mum IL has one too many and then it gets funny........Got to go now, she's heading this way. Happy Mothers day to all Mothers.
M.D.
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Defender. Yes with the steep drop down to the right and the open areas to the river the last thing you expect is an airborne deer. We were heading home from Glenkindie after a skiing weekend away, all asleep except me maybe 2030hrs or so, great road, as you clearly know, almost on auto pilot when I saw two lights up in the sky... Wrong !!! these were the reflection from the deer's eyes as it flew thought the air over the snow bank. What a bang, fortunately the windscreen stayed intact or we would have had a Pxxxed off deer in the car wanting to leave, The car was a Seirra Estate. In the morning you could see clumps of deer hair trapped in the creases of the folded metal body work and the the transport manager could not believe his eyes. And the deer sneezed all over the windscreen. What I did not know is that deer are full of Evostick. My god was that sticky. Fish and chips at Scone Palace and a dash home, unpack, pour the kids into bed, a LARGE Scotch and ice and to bed. Fantastic. Regards Peter
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