Let's say hypothetically, someone with a reasonbly powered RWD car had some new rear tyres on order, and en-route to have them fitted, say this lunchtime, that person finds a spot of derelict land, away from any residences and would like to "burn-out" their current tyres, perhaps with a series of doughnuts, staight line and static burnouts.
Obviously it would be a noisy business, but what crime could this person be committing, should a police car roll along and see the huge clouds of white smoke, hypothetically speaking in the Leeds area of course?
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Hyothetically this sort of behaviour belongs to people who should be banned from driving forever, its not the police who should come but the men in white coats
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Hypothetically the landlord may have this person arrested for trespassing and an ASBO issued because of the noise and dust it's caused.
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If its derelict ground I would assume that they were commiting no traffic offences although there might be some breach of the peace, anti-social behaviour or similar.
On the road then I guess one of the careless driving offences, one of the traffic signal offences or the entirely superb MS60.
Mind you, I think you should also be sectioned.
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Hypothetically whoever does this was obviously repressed as a child* ,and making up for it by childish behaviour.
* children who go round in circles making a loud noise either do it by playing to be an airplane, using hoops, or on a roundabout (not a road one, one associated with swings). So an equivalent age is 7 to 9 years old).
Are you sure you are old enough to drive? :-)
madf
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And there we have at least 6 posts from people who obviously dont appreciate a nice, performance RWD car :p
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Lordy Lordy there are some boring people around here!
Private land so no road offence is being caused. Derelict land, landlord unlikely to find out, and trespass only caused if you refuse to leave I think.
It may take ten or fifteen minutes - so little chance of BiB coming along whilst its happening, especially if the area has little local population.
Go on have some fun!
I would love to do it, but can't find the best site. The roads are so clogged up and camera'd that there is little chance to have a play with our toys legally or safely on the Queens highways, so lets do it inthe safety of a unoccupied site, with no children or other people and vehicles around.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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The 1988 Road Traffic Act covers Motorised Vehicle use on public paths & open land.
And the Police Reform Act of 2002 allows a police officer to confiscate the vehicle if he believes it is being used to cause " alarm, distress or annoyance", or in contravention of the 1988 RTA.
No complaint is required to prosecute.
Irresponsible off road driving is a national problem. so if you want to behave like a problem expect to be treated like one.
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Irresponsible off road driving is a national problem. so if you want to behave like a problem expect to be treated like one.
Well said, and not at all boring! The very idea is just another erosion of respect. Do what you like, when you like, where you like generation.
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All this happens on the M62 already ;¬)
Oh go on, go on, go on, maybe, then again maybe not...
Don't pop your tyres and ruin the rims of your shiny alloys :¬(
Regards,
John R @ Home
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Trouble with derelict land is that it often has broken glass, bits of old metal/wood, you name it, lying about - so careful you don't do any mechanical damage.
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To all the people who said he should be sectioned / shot etc: Why? Straight question.
If there's no people around, you're well away from residences and there's no damage to property, go for it IMHO
Just make sure you've got enough tread to get you to the garage afterwards!
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"To all the people who said he should be sectioned / shot etc: Why? Straight question."
Because they are the sort of people who hate anyone enjoying motoring in any sporting manner; some of whom strive zealously in official positions to take all fun out of motoring, and have very largely succeeded.
They compel me to take my motoring recreation to unsuitable places instead of suitable ones which I pay through the nose to maintain; if I break my neck I expect they will rejoice, but mourn if I take out a poor sheep in the process.
Sometimes I think the wrong side won the war.
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I?m such a boring sensible driver until I happen upon a bit of dirt track and then I go mental. Drives wifey crazy. Love to see billowing dust clouds in the mirror. Understand exactly how you feel. Watch out for old mine shafts and unxploded bombs.
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Just pray that you don't overdo it and blow the tyres or your lunchbreak may be extended somewhat.
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if it doesn't disturb anyone then cant see a problem,especially as its a derelict area.at least its not like the idiots who drive down the ridgeway in oxfordshire.Nearly been run down twice whilst walking and narrowly avoided having my bike and other walkers run over.
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This person might upset the owner of the land, but the main issue may be that should someone complain to the police, this person might find that, if he was stopped on the ultimate leg of the journey to have his tyres changed, the lack of tread might be quite embarrassing.
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Interesting responses here, it may amuse the nay-sayers to know that once a "friend" of mine did this in the service yard behind Netto in York, and this "friend" hoiked his steering wheel over so much whilst spinning around, he burnt out the PS pump, which caused considerable expense and embarrassment, especially when he had to explain to his wife.
Anyone know how to remove burnt rubber from the bodywork?
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I hope yo...I mean your..er...friend had fun Rob ;-)
It's crazy but some of us do "mad" things sometimes and actually enjoy them.
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My gawd this site is populated by some BOF's.
Do it.
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I remember driving a RWD car (which I'm not going to mention lest I damage my already crumbling street cred) up a dirt track to a house once. Only a straight line but it was great flooring it and getting everything kicked up at the back.
I felt like an American cop does at the moment he sees the bad guy race past and gives chase. And yes - I did of course make the siren noises.
Do it Rob...I mean...er...Rob's mate.
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Arrange a few cardboard boxes and newspapers to drive through.
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Cardboard boxes. Great idea!
Get a few mates around too and pretend they're the baddies. Get a flashing worker's light and paint it blue or red, and you're away!
You could also record siren noises and burn them to cd and have a whale of a time!
(If you need help on making whooping siren like noises, then feel free to email me).
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Rob, I'm with RF as long as no-one else can get hurt or inconvenienced GO FOR IT. Perhaps you should 'rebrand' this thread to Exploring the performance envelope of your car - :cough: in the interests of safety so that should the circumstances occur unexpectedly you would have the experience to deal with it... :-) a skin pan without the water !
P
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oops ..skid pan
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Myself and a mate once took his MoT failed Yamaha RD250 into a field and wired the throttle open then stood and watched. It ran for a lot longer than we expected, and the engine actually glowed red before it blew in the most spectacular fashion.
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err thats what I meant to say Pezzer.
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See? This is what life's all about.
Fast cars, crazy stunts, cardboard boxes.
Makes me feel glad to be alive.
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Goes without saying Dave.
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Some here have been rather negative about this behaviour. I seem to remember various Formula 1 and World Rally Championship drivers doing very much the same thing, to loud applause. I watched a television programme recently about a large gathering of Ferrari enthusiasts, where smoky doughnuts seemed to be very popular. Is there a rule for the 'glitterati' and another for Mr J Bloggs? Are some of the correspondents off-duty traffic wardens?
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On a positive slant, any experience of driving a car abnormally or "out of shape" can only be a good thing. That experience of finding the limits of one's car just may help one day in normal drving.
I'm not saying I'm all sanctimonious and doing it for the betterment of driving, it's a great laugh and why not wring the last vestigies of life out of the tyres, God knows, 20years from now, we'll all be working from home and hardwired to "thinkpods" or something.
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Some of us pay money to see 'hooligan' behaviour - Monster Jam at the NIA a couple of weeks back.
Chris M
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"we'll all be working from home and hardwired to "thinkpods" or something"
Will one be able to access porn on these thinkpods?
Again, hypothetically?
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Go for it. Just make sure it's a safe, quiet area to do it in.
Can't believe the negative reaction of some individuals, especially the younger ones, when we're all meant to be petrolheads in this backroom.
A life with no risk whatsoever is what this increasingly boring country is striving for. But, have you noticed the rise in popularity in extreme sports? People need a bit of adrenalin pumping madness every now and again to keep sane!
The very reason you ran the idea past the Backroom means you have thought of the possible consequences of this bit of action.
Enjoy yourself!
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"Can't believe the negative reaction of some individuals, especially the younger ones"
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I thought no-one on here had a chronolgical age less than 45? Or am I missing something?
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Re burnouts:
Had some fun doing this many years ago in a well tuned RWD car...
Trouble was, it smoked more on one wheel than the other & lunched the diff... A new back axle (£15 inc. delivery) from a scrapyard & a Sat morn. fitting it & all was well again...
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"I thought no-one on here had a chronological age less than 45?"
Not so. Have a look at one or two profiles. I have seen an 18;
I am clocking 78 (about Vmax/2 :-}. That is a range of 60 and I expect there are one or two outside these limits.
(I do not think "chronological" is quite appropriate, since we are not writing of an order of events. "Calendar"?)
Anyway, there are some who seem to have been born old and miserable, and others who have got old but are still trying to have fun!
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Take a leaf out of Tomo's book.
The man has a Supra for God's sake!
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I thought he got it for his own sake?
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I used chronological as opposed to mental:-))
madf
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Plod was happy to help when I reported a young lad who was using my un-adopted, unmade-up lane as a rally training ground. He'd not long passed his test, and Plod offered to remove his licence if caught doing it again. That said, the lane does end at my house, with kids/pets etc.
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Having just come accross this thread (where was I on the 5th of Spetember ?). My twopenneth.
1. S59 Notice is the most likely outcome (a new tool for dealing with Anti Social drivers) - get caught doing any such behaviour again either as a driver or specific to that car and you lose the motor. (detalis are either being or soon will be collated on PNC)
2. Driving on land other than a road is another option
along with, but not forgetting.
An offence under the Offences Against the Person Act of "Fast and furious driving".
FWD drivers will never realise how much pleasure this sort of business gives.
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If you do it, try to recreate the scene in the opening titles of Magnum PI, where Selleck grins at the camera before blasting off in the Ferrari, nearside wheels on the grass verge, offside ones on the road, getting it a bit out of shape when all four wheels hit the tarmac. Preferably whilst singing what you can remember of the theme tune to yourself....
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Which, incidentally, is back on Men and Motors.
I'll be sad when I go back to Uni - no Magnum, and no Miami Vice.
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I'll be sad when I go back to Uni - no Magnum, and no Miami Vice. --
Some of us suffered through these when they were new (and there were only 3 other channels to choose from!)
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Suffer? Suffer?!?!
They're worth it for the theme tunes alone - never mind the cars!
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Always wondered about the "sequence" of Kitts wheels when Michael used to reverse it down off the transporter whilst it was moving. Presumably it would need to come out of reverse before wheels hit the tarmac? Or maybe it just free wheeled down the ramp?
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KITT didn't need to worry about laws of Physics Bobby.
He was....well - he was KITT!
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