My Mum had a Viva. Then got onto a Mini streak which ended soon after she met my (6ft4) Dad oddly enough.
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My Dad had a Classic, it was not ugly rather '59 Detroit style with a 1500cc 4cyl engine. Spacious, light and airy inside, went past 100k miles no problem.
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Fair enough, Cheddar - it's down to personal taste. Personally I think the new Megane rear end is absolutely hideous (quite apart from the rear vision), but just about everyone else on this forum when this has been debated before thinks it's wonderfully stylish and that Renault's head of design - Le Sueur or some such name - is a genius.
(OK, I know the Megane isn't a saloon - sorry for going off topic!)
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The Megane. Saloon is ugly - it's too small to be a saloon I think,
Estate - strangely better.
Hatch. Boy did I hate it when it came out. I really thought it was awful. It's growing on me though. I'm trying to stop it but I can't. The fact someone close buy has a 225 and keeps waving it under my nose doesn't help much either.
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sorry but no has yet mentioned a certain metallic biege booted focus!
I usually find if a car was designed as a saloon it's not too bad (granada wasn't that bad from behind but front was horrid) but when it's just added on as an afterthought they're usually pretty nasty.
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sorry but no has yet mentioned a certain metallic biege booted focus!
More than likely because of this:-
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=33...3
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I thought the classic was rather a nice looking motor. Suprised one did 100k plus tho, seem to recall it made vauxhall look good when it came to tin worm.
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If you haven't got Zone Alarm and or Spybot don't go onto the Scorpio link, it caused both to go into red alert over a hijacking program.
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"If you haven't got Zone Alarm and or Spybot don't go onto the Scorpio link, it caused both to go into red alert over a hijacking program"
Or the first link - spyware on both!
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At least the Viva (HA ?) had the decency to rust so fast it wasn't offensive for long. Though I doubt that's how the owners saw it.
My nomination - current Rolls.
Is there an expectation thing here ? Maybe a car can get away with being ugly if it's cheap ? ?/ Mm maybe not. Bending metal costs the same regardless of where you put the curves / folds.
John
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AMC Pacer
Toyota Crown
Nissan Laurel
Latest Audi AllRoad takes some beating on the ugly stakes
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1. Early 1970s Ford Zephyr/Zodiac Mk IV -- I had to drive one for several months.
2. Any current BMW.
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Austin Metropolitan
Austin Maxi
Austin 1800
Austin Maestro
Austin Montego
All Aston Martins - make barges look sleek
BMW 5 series - current
BMW 3 series Current
BWM 7 Series current
BMW 8 series
BMW 6 series
Citroen XM
Citroen C5
Citroen ZX
Daimler- Docker series
Daimler SP250
Ford - all US current and past except ORIGINAL Mustang hatchback
Ford - UK
Anglia, Capri, Zephyr 4/6, Sierra, Scorpio. all 4x4s
Ginetta - none
Holden - all.
Jaguar - Mark 7 to 10, Current S type (overblown), XJS, X type , Mark4 XJ6
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And how is your new guide dog settling in Madf?
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Anorak mode: on
What?s your definition of a saloon? I thought it was a car with a closed passenger area, where the boot is separate. (hence they usually have 2/4 doors and not 3 or 5)
Which means:
Austin Maxi
Austin Maestro
Citroen XM
Citroen C5
Citroen ZX
don?t count.
Anorak mode: off ;-)
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Take a pretty hatch and ask a bunch of blind monkeys to weld a boot on to it. Voila - Renault Thalia. Horror on wheels.
You can successfully add bits to a car though. See Peugeout 407 SW for how it should be done.
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Continued
Frerrari: Dino: superb. Superfast AMerica great. Rest: expensive mediocrity
Lancia: everything after the Fulvia
Lexus: top prize for expensive nonentity.
Lotus: Mark 2 Elan, Mark 2 Elise (i.e not the 1950s one which was gorgeous), Esprit/all the bigger ones.
Maserati: everything
Opel: Pretty well everything.
Peugeot: difficlt to think of a nioce looking one before the 406 coupe (which is gorgeous)
Porsche: All 911s post 1975, Boxster, 924, 944 and the porky piggies 928. The 4x4 Cayenne makes tractors look nice.
Renault: all (do they style or just copy backsides?)
Rolls Royce: Post the 1950s Continental, all of them are pathetic- see Bentley
Bentley - latest Continental look superb. All others like Rolls were huge bathchairs on wheels. Top prize for making a box on wheels look ugly.
Rover: styling? Panche? You gotta be smoking something serious.
Toyota: blandness personified.
VW/Audi/Skoda/ : function over any design except TT where design beats function.
If I have forgotten to insult your favourite car, I apologise but I've run out of time and patience. After a Peugeot 406 Coupe or a Ferrari Dino or Citroen DS evreything else is an also ran. In fact 99% of all cars o the road have styling which is worse than ugly - i.e. boringly forgettable.
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See Peugeout 407 SW for how it should be done.
Couldn't disagree more!
406 coupe = style, 407 misses the mark.
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"Couldn't disagree more!
406 coupe = style, 407 misses the mark."
Maybe but that?s not my point. All I?m saying is variants of a saloon don?t have to have "afterthought" stamped all over them. Love it or hate it, the 407 SW (i.e. estate) is prettier than the saloon.
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I'm going to back up old Wavey here and say the 407 is gorgeous. You may think that's too strong a word for a normal Peugeot - I don't. I think it looks so different but still looks car like which is why I think I like it so much.
The estate is the nicest looking estate around I think. I do love the 5 Series estate in that copper gold type colour but n a different league I think.
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5 Series estate in that copper gold type colour but n a different league I think
Touring is a prettier car than the saloon. Wouldn't buy one though.
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Yeah the 407 is gonna grow on yer like a Brittney Spears tune. The coupe is pretty sharp too although I?ve not seen one in the flesh. I?m really starting to like the 607, curvey like my wife. Had a poke around in one while mine was in for service. As soon as they start going for less than 3k I?m getting me one.
I entered a competition in our shopping mall to win a Renault Thalia and if I win, I?m gonna give it to Adam for sticking up for me and for sticking up for saloons.
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Cheers Dave.
What a pal.
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"... curvey like my wife. Had a poke around in one while mine was in for service."
Please reassure us that you were referring to your car & not your wife ... 8-)
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Vroom, vroom - mmm, doughnuts ...
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He does it on purpose Andy. Ol' Wavey's the master of double entendres.
;-)
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Speaking of my wonderful wife, do you think driving lessons are a romantic present? It?s her birthday next week and her life would be so much easier if she didn?t have to carry me to a taxi rank at the end of a Saturday night
Incidently, my birthday is on the 19th September
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When's your birthday Dave?
I don't think lessons are romantic but certainly a lot safer than you teaching her. Definitely a lot safer.
(As thread Author I've decided Dave's need is greater than mine and have modifed the thread accordingly ;-))
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Write it down Ad, 19th September
My second idea was a fridge for the car so we could go on picnics. A fridge in the car - how cool is that?
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Some fairly recent Hyundai and Daewoo big saloons have had me wondering why people would ever pay out good money for such dubious exterior designs.
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"The 407 coupe is pretty sharp too although I?ve not seen one in the flesh."
I had a poke around one last week, very nice indeed.
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Oddly, though, Vauxhall didn't get the message about the Mk1 Viva, they virtually repeated it with the Nova saloon.
JS
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I actually prefer the 407 saloon to the SW, had a hire car 607 2.2 petrol, totally antiseptic, no character, not even an attractive cabin. Just think how good the 405 was in 1988, just what are Peugeot doing.
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I like the 607 cabin, not really interested in driving characteristics because I like to waft (so long as it?s sure-footed). But what really impressed me was the space. After 11 years of 605s I?m really struggling with the 406, it?s just too small and there?s nowhere for my knick-knacks.
I don?t like the cabin of the 407, the dash is kinda divided into 3 sections, maybe to make it easier to flip to RHD. Whatever, I thought it was nasty. But the outside is really growing on me. I think Peugeot are doing ok. Check out the 1007, that?s fairly innovative. Sliding doors aren?t new but they are on a supermini. Nice cabin too.
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My thoughts on the 407 is that, externally at least, it is entrancing, especially that front end. Ferrari would have been proud of it.
There's a black 607 around the corner from my house and that is equally sumptuious.
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Lol...ugliest saloon in my book presently on sale, doesn't quite go to the 3- and 7-series BMs (the 5 looks ok I think), but the Hyundai Elantra (which I think is a saloon) is hideous!
Focus saloon not so bad in $till $kint's post...at least it's got lovely alloys...and I believe that's the model version the US still gets?
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I keep thinking I'm about to be eaten when a 407 drives past, in my eyes its the ugliest car produced for many years. Even worse than the Kia Magentis(at least that's cheap).
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