2.2 petrol engine has 5 more horsepower.
But how much more torque has the diesel got?
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But how much more torque has the diesel got?
cdti:-
Maximum torque: 315Nm (232lb.ft.) @ 2000rpm
2.2 petrol:-
Maximum torque: 220Nm (162lb.ft.) @ 3800rpm
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Pah! I snort in derision at the weedy petrol-engined Vectra.
But then I would. The Vectra diesel engine is directly related to that in my Alfa.
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The Vectra diesel engine is directly related to that in my Alfa.
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In that case get the petrol - we all know about alfa reliability! ;-)
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>> But how much more torque has the diesel got? cdti:- Maximum torque: 315Nm (232lb.ft.) @ 2000rpm 2.2 petrol:- Maximum torque: 220Nm (162lb.ft.) @ 3800rpm
Mondeo TDCi 130: 350nm, TDCi 155: 400nm !
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I have the 2.2 Design petrol and I love it.
Friends say its boring but it really does go. The 155 engine is a dream.
I get about 34 to the gallon motorway / urban and whilst this does not sound much I get 17 pence per mile from the co whilst diesel only gets 10ppm.
Had a few probs though...the rear nearside door central locking failed and the suspension is a bit soft at the moment. Will get it looked at first service.
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Unless you particularly like the way diesels drive, then I would go for the petrol. 10K a year is not much. I do 40K a year so have a diesel Laguna dCi. Not only do I save money but I actually like the way my diesel drives compared to my previous Laguna, a petrol one.
But 10K a year - no great saving there, if at all.
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Go for the diesel. I'm a little biased as I've bought one myself. I like 50+ mpg.
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Mondeo TDCi 130: 350nm, TDCi 155: 400nm !
Although the Vectra is heavier than the Mondeo, the Vectra has better performance figures:-
Mondeo tdci (130)
0 to 62 - 9.8 seconds
Max speed - 129 mph.
whereas
Vectra cdti (150)
0 to 60 - 8.8 seconds
Max speed - 135 mph.
Mondeo - all torque and no go ;o)
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>> Mondeo TDCi 130: 350nm, TDCi 155: 400nm ! Although the Vectra is heavier than the Mondeo, the Vectra has better performance figures:- Mondeo tdci (130) 0 to 62 - 9.8 seconds Max speed - 129 mph. whereas Vectra cdti (150) 0 to 60 - 8.8 seconds Max speed - 135 mph. Mondeo - all torque and no go ;o)
Nice try but you are not comparing the right cars there. The TDCi 155 is about 0.5 seconds quicker to 60, and higher top speed, than the Vectra CDTi 150.
Sorry ;)
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Nice try but you are not comparing the right cars there. The TDCi 155 is about 0.5 seconds quicker to 60, and higher top speed, than the Vectra CDTi 150.
Mondeo tdci (155)
0 to 62 - 8.7 seconds
Max speed - 137 mph.
So for 5 more horse power, 0.3 more litres, and all that torque, it can still only manage 2 mph faster max speed, and a fractionally quicker time of 0-62 (approx 0.39 secs quicker).
Nope, I'm sticking with the vauxhall ;o)
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>> Nice try but you are not comparing the right cars there. >> The TDCi 155 is about 0.5 seconds quicker to 60, higher top speed, than the Vectra CDTi 150. Mondeo tdci (155) 0 to 62 - 8.7 seconds Max speed - 137 mph. So for 5 more horse power, 0.3 more litres, and all that torque, it can still only manage 2 mph faster max speed, and a fractionally quicker time of 0-62 (approx 0.39 secs quicker). Nope, I'm sticking with the vauxhall ;o)
As I said before at comparable real-world revs, say 2000rpm in any gear a TDCi 130 would romp away from the Vectra 150 due to it's much greater torque, the TDCi 155 is another level again.
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As I said before....
::fingers in ears::
Not listening. Hell would freeze over before I would ever consider owning a Dagenham dustbin.
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::fingers in ears:: Not listening. Hell would freeze over before I would ever consider owning a Dagenham dustbin.
I also have my hang-ups though I am pleased that I am, perhaps, more rational than you on this one Dave!
I have acknowledged in this thread that the Vectra perol engines are great and that the new CDTi engine is fine, furthermore the last three company cars I had were Vauxhalls, a Cavalier 1.7TD that ran like clockwork, a troublesome 2.0 SRi Vectra and a 2.5 V6 SRi Vectra Estate that was great and is still missed, in fact I feel some loyalty to Vauxhall.
However turbo diesels are all about torque at 1500 to 2000 revs, what happens when you put you foot down at 2000 rpm in 3rd is much more important than 0.5 sec off the 0-60 time, in this regard the Mondeo TDCi 130 (yet alone the 155) knocks spots of the Vectra CDTi fine car though the Vectra is.
Regards.
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I also have my hang-ups though I am pleased that I am, perhaps, more rational than you on this one Dave!
I have to concede with you there Cheddar. Having only driven a handful of diesels, and 75% of them were transits or Luton vans, I'm not the expert on diesels, or how they perform. On paper, the tech data on the Vectra 150 and the mondeo 155 are comparable with one another (excluding the toque values), if however as you say the torque difference between the two would make the Mondeo quicker in the real world, it would be interesting to put these motors side by side on drag strip and see if there were any real differnce.
Still wouldn't want an Uncle Henry though ;o)
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>> I also have my hang-ups though I am pleased that I am, perhaps, more rational than you on this one Dave! I have to concede with you there Cheddar. Having only driven a handful of diesels, and 75% of them were transits or Luton vans, I'm not the expert on diesels, or how they perform. On paper, the tech data on the Vectra 150 and the mondeo 155 are comparable with one another (excluding the toque values), if however as you say the torque difference between the two would make the Mondeo quicker in the real world, it would be interesting to put these motors side by side on drag strip and see if there were any real differnce. >> Still wouldn't want an Uncle Henry though ;o)
Dave, it really is not about drag strip it's about day to day real world driving, loads of torque giving instant responce in any gear, ease of overtaking, wafting past slower vehicles on fast A roads without having to change down, as I say the Mondeo 130's significantly greater torque gives it an edge over the Vectra in this regard and the Mondeo 155 is in another league again. Worth noting that the Vectra 3.0 V6 177 CDTi produces 370nm torque, only 20nm more than the Mondeo 2.0 130 and 30nm less than the Mondeo 2.2 155!
Regards.
Regards.
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Although the Vectra is heavier than the Mondeo, the Vectra has better performance figures:- Mondeo tdci (130) 0 to 62 - 9.8 seconds Max speed - 129 mph. whereas Vectra cdti (150) 0 to 60 - 8.8 seconds Max speed - 135 mph.
These figures do not reflect the way the cars drive in the real world, the 0-60 and top speed figures are partly about gearing relative to the power band. I.e. where as the 6 speed TDCi 130 is quoted as 129/130mph the 5 speed TDCi 130 tops out at 125 because it is lightly lower geared and the power is dropping off over 120mph however it has better top gear roll on figures due to this slightly lower gearing.
Re comparison with the the Vectra CDTi, at comparable real-world revs, say 2000rpm in any gear a TDCi 130 would romp away from the Vectra due to it's much greater torque. As I say the TDCi 130 simply feels livelier unless, perhaps, you were to redline both away from the lights.
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Dave, not sure what Vauxhall have scheduled for the 1.9 but in an Alfa belt changes are at 72K on the diesels.
Jim
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Dave, not sure what Vauxhall have scheduled for the 1.9 but in an Alfa belt changes are at 72K on the diesels.
Comparing it with current Vaux cambelt schedules. Haven't got any data to hand to look it up.
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