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It's simple really... what would you choose: a brand new Avensis 2.0 petrol with leather & xenons or a used 2-year old Camry 2.4 auto with 43k with leather & navi (no xenons though). BTW: is Camry made in Japan ?
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Avensis..have you seen the inside of a Camry? Very 1990's Japanese style...i.e. none.
Doubt it will break no more than an Avensis would. Plus the Avensis can have both front seats all the way back and still be a nice amount of room for rear passengers.
I'm looking to get an Avensis myself...an auto version, very nice test drive I had in one at the weekend.
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Camry - one roadtest (I forget which) described it as "The motoring world's best kept secret; They could have put a Lexus badge on it and sold it for £5000 more"
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The Camry is the best selling car in the USA due to the reliability (its actually priced higher than the competitors), the US ones are made in the US but the UK one's should have been made in Japan. There is a sticker on the windscreen that says where it was made.
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Depends on the price. If they are equal go for the Avensis. If the Camry is cheaper then definately the Camry. I think they have stopped importing the Camry - few people wanted them, although the people that did buy them thought they were great. I know why. A guy I know has had his since 1991. It has all the toys available at that time and has never let him down. Superb 3.0 V6
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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They did put a Lexus badge on a Camry and sell it for $5000 more. It's called the ES300. I have one and I hate it.
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They did put a Lexus badge on a Camry and sell it for $5000 more. It's called the ES300. I have one and I hate it.
Why ???
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Vincentus:
My main complaint is the ES300 feels unbelievably gutless and underpowered for a 3-litre. Also:
The traction control cuts in way too early; the first time I tried to pull out fast from a side road onto a busy road, as soon as I turned the wheel, it basically cut the power stone dead with a truck bearing down on me. Thanks a bunch. Now I remember to flip off the TC before attempting anything like that.
The first time I went for an overtake on a single carriageway, I locked the auto box down into third to try to get the most of the feeble amount of power on offer. Inspite of this when I was neck and neck with the vehicle I was passing, the computer overrode me and changed up into top.
You can't open the boot without switching off the ignition.
It's been back for a recommended gearbox software update, inspite of this the drive train feels rough and 'snatches' when accelerating
The suspension is set way too soft for comfort. The car wallows unbelievably in corners.
My wife leased this because of the name and due to circumstances I ended up stuck driving it.
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Having done some investigation recently I'd reckon perhaps the Avensis is OK compared with a 4 pot Camry; the V6 is something else but I could not find a recent one. Certainly 43k miles should be nothing to a well treated Japanese Toyota. SWMBO had a couple of Camry sixes a few years ago and they were really immaculately put together, if boring.
OK, which? Camry!
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I looked at the new Avensis and felt the interior even on the spirit was pretty dull and "non luxury"
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Camry was (and may still be) one of the best selling cars in the US.
PP
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Surely Camry delivers much smoother ride, doesn't it ?
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Avensis or Camry? That's a little like asking which colour suppository you prefer. A couple of sofas with a motor attached. ::shudder::
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Avensis or Camry? That's a little like asking which colour suppository you prefer. A couple of sofas with a motor attached. ::shudder::
And have you actually driven either? Probably not judging by that comment.
Avensis rides and handles very well indeed - well up to the best European standards.
I've only ever driven a US rental Camry, but I found it an excellent car. Very smooth, quiet and refined - would put some more expensive German rivals to shame. Incidentally, I've noted quite a few Camry's on German roads, ironically the Germans are less snobbish about large Japanese cars than we British!
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Previous model Avenis felt rather crude, but the current model is much more refined: it feels rather like a Passat.
The seats are a bit firm for my taste, but then I take a Renault 16's seats as the benchmark, and find that most newer car-seats are firmer than my armachair tastes
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And have you actually driven either? Probably not judging by that comment.
No, I just make these comments up for the fun of it. Neither car floats my automotive boat, so to speak. I played with a Camry shortly after getting my 156. I've not driven, but been driven in, a couple of current Avensis. I'd have an Accord any day.
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Personally I'd go for the Avensis, because I'd worry about spare parts for a car no longer being actively pushed here.
Watch out for the depreciation though. Why do they plummet so much in the first year when Toyota have such a good reputation?
Have the depreciation tables not caught up with the latest model? Or do they assume you'll negotiate a huge discount?
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Go for the Avensis as it will be a new car, plus theyre modern and look FAR better in saloon form I reckon than that horrible hatchback version. The Camry is a good car, but its a model thats long in the tooth. Also, insurance will be cheaper on the Avensis as its ,ade in the UK.
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Go for the Avensis as it will be a new car, plus theyre modern and look FAR better in saloon form I reckon than that horrible hatchback version. The Camry is a good car, but its a model thats long in the tooth. Also, insurance will be cheaper on the Avensis as its ,ade in the UK.
Right, made in the UK and suffers build and reliability problems as a result.
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Watch out for the depreciation though. Why do they plummet so much in the first year when Toyota have such a good reputation? Have the depreciation tables not caught up with the latest model? Or do they assume you'll negotiate a huge discount?
Most Japanese cars depreciate rapidly in the UK because British people are car snobs. They would rather have a 'prestige' badge on the drive than food in the fridge. Witness the sales success of the old Merc. C180 in 'poverty spec'. A dreadfully slow car, especially in auto form, and not outstanding in any particular area, but people would rather have one of those on the drive than something like a fully-spec'd Japanese car.
By and large though the depreciation isn't quite as bad as it first seems because the cars are sold at a large discount off list price. Still, there are excellent second-hand bargains out there for the canny.
Don't worry about getting parts for a Camry. You can still easily get parts for early 90's Camry's.
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> Most Japanese cars depreciate rapidly in the UK because British people are car snobs.
I agree entirely, and have never understood this phenominon (with cars, jeans, underwear, or anything). Surely it is what something costs, does, and looks like to you that are the important factors? Who built it, and where it was built (within ethical constraints) are totally irrelevant? My friend's couldn't understand why I tooled around in a Vectra GSi Estate, whilst they drove middle spec, gutless, Beemer Threes and Audi A4s for the same lease cost, until they tried mine. I was also the one with the more reliable car. Another friend was truly (and I mean, truly) horrified to learn that his TT 225 was built in Hungary.
> Witness the sales success of the old Merc. C180 in 'poverty spec'.
ABSOLUTELY the most despicable, horrid, ill conceived car I have ever driven. Over a 24 hour period "for fun", I once swapped the car I had at the time for a colleague's P plate 180 with manual gearbox. Gruesome to look at, inside and out (to say Stuttgart taxi does a disservice to taxi drivers), totally gutless, and with that wretched foot operated parking brake... Aaargh.. I gave up with it in a traffic jam up a slight hill, and simply got to the top a few minutes later with fried clutch plate instead. The next day, I asked why he bought it? "Because I HAD to have a Merc, and it was the only one I could afford."
There's owt so kweer (on purpose to bypass the swear filter) as folk, and whilst there are, manufacturers will continue to part them with their money...
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Have heard it said that certain prestige dealers will bid up their marque at auction to keep residuals high.
With certain prestige marques now outselling mainstream brands- how come supply and demand isnt pushing used values down?
And the C180 was a truly awful car. Dad got himself one when he retired- didn't last too long. Didnt help the 1.6 Polo I had the time outperformed it.
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Speaking as a Toyota dealer i would say to go for the avensis - a much better car all round. Yes the camry may sell by the shed load in America but what the americans look for in a car and what we look for are totally different.
The camry was made in Japan but is no longer being brought to the UK due to extremely slow sales - if you buy it you should make sure you haggle hard down from the screen price - we had one in for months with hardly a sniff of interest in it. It went in the end for virtually what we paid for it.
Also if your looking at a new avensis with leather it is almost certain be a T-Spirit which will have sat nav any way.
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>>>>>Right, made in the UK and suffers build and reliability problems as a result.
Where do you get your info from? I wasn't aware the Avensis suffered any worse problems than any other car. Infact I've seen far less bad reports than others (but of course numbers sold could have a bearing on that).
Looking on Toyota Avensis forums doesn't throw up many problems at all.
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Lexus cars are different models all together. They may use some common components (eg VW/Audi) but are different cars in the Japanese catalogue.
They are simply rebadged from to T to L.
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Right, made in the UK and suffers build and reliability problems as a result.
Sounds like youve already made up your mind if you think this so why ask for advice?
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