Front Foglights - why? - Adetri
Why do some people think they look cool, so much so that they use them all the time? I am totally fed up of being dazzled when driving home at night in the winter (mainly on unlit country lanes) by these people.

The worst culprits are tall 4WD vehicles as their Foglights are just a bit higher than in normal cars. Peugeot 406, Fiat Punto and last shape Fiestas also seem have incredibly bright front fogs too. Cars approaching on inclines and bumpy roads also make this use of front fogs extra annoying.

In my opinion, there is no excuse for using them unless visibility is so seriously reduced that they are needed (and even then they don't always help).

Does anyone have any ideas for ways this problem can be reduced? Anything manufacturers could do? E.g. big letters "F O G" on the dash when they are on?

I also think that there are two types of offender:

1) Cool "dudes" - I don't suspect I need to add more to this.
2) Others who think they are "Driving Lights" or some such nonsense. Handy for "lighting up the kerb"...

Sorry if this has been done before, but had to get it off my chest.
Front Foglights - why? - Mark (RLBS)
And an increasing amount of people who not only have the fog lights on, but then have their normal lights either off or on parking light - do they think it looks cool ? because it really doesn't.

Ditto blue lights on trucks. A bit effiminate for a hardened, macho trucker, I would have thought.
Front Foglights - why? - Altea Ego
You do know why and what blue lights were orginaly meant to indicate? (clue effiminate!)
Front Foglights - why? - Altea Ego
Two things amuse me about fog lights. A: If they are correctly aligned they shouldnt dazzle people. B: if they are correctly aligned they are next to useless - fog or no fog.

Yes i have a pair.
Front Foglights - why? - Adam {P}
The only time I use my fogs are as an alternative to main beam at night.

In the day, I use main beam, but at night, instead of blinding someone when I'm letting them out, or thanking them, I just flash the front fogs!

They are good for something!
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Adam
Front Foglights - why? - AngryJonny
I give other drivers a blast of my front fogs to tell them that they've got their front fogs on. In case they're wondering what that green light on the dashboard means.

Sometimes I use them if I'm driving in fog... but rarely. I haven't experienced visibility < 100 yards in years.

Front Foglights - why? - Adetri
Yes, but not many are not aligned correctly, so the more who use them the more chance of being dazzled there is. Also I find on rough roads they can dazzle as the oncoming car bounces around.

Front Foglights - why? - Adam {P}
I've never been dazzled by foglights. Don't get me wrong, the annoy the hell out of me and are right up there with people who don't imdicate but I generally find they're so low, that they don't dazzle me.

Maybe I'm lucky...
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Adam
Front Foglights - why? - Dynamic Dave
Sorry if this has been done before....


::Bites tongue::

;o)
Front Foglights - why? - Altea Ego
Thats a badly mauled tongue you have there DD
Front Foglights - why? - Garethj
Could this be a foglight AND a 4x4 thread in one? Great.
Front Foglights - why? - Stuartli
It's a style thing - mostly involving owners of BMWs - at least in our area.

It's illegal, of course, unless visibility is less than 100 metres but the police never bother pulling anyone up.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
Front Foglights - why? - Altea Ego
The worse offendors for this are BMW 4x4 SUV drivers. They are always in the middle lane as well, dont wear seatbelts, have bullbars on the front, are constantly on the mobile phone and the police do absolutley nothing about it because they are chasing innocent speeding motorists. Its a communist plot.

There think that covers it all. DD's tongue must look like pasta shreds now.
Front Foglights - why? - AngryJonny
The worse offendors for this are BMW 4x4 SUV drivers. They
are always in the middle lane as well, dont wear seatbelts,
have bullbars on the front, are constantly on the mobile phone


They also slam on the anchors for speed cameras regardless of whether they already within the limit or not.

Front Foglights - why? - Schnitzel
I can see why manufacturers put them on, as they are a value-added sales feature, but they should switch to long range driving lamps which come on to supplement main beam, and only come on with main beam, this would be more useful in the UK, and probably everywhere, as I have found foglights useless in fog, let alone fine conditions.
Front Foglights - why? - Algernon
One solution is on the Mk IV Supra (and others?). The fog lights are mounted at the same height and outboard of the headlamps, with a flat beam. They make good marker lamps when headlamps are really not needed. And they are handy for lighting up the kerb.
Front Foglights - why? - Nsar
RF, you forgot to mention that they are rumoured to defeat speed cameras...
Front Foglights - why? - PhilDews
Now in defence of foglights. As someone who used to trek across the pennines every day (A62 from Huddersfield to Oldham), there were many days where fog meant visibility of less than 40/50 yards. You couldn't see another car if it didn't have fogs on, so front fogs were vital.

Another good use of them is on country lanes where you can see any animals, stones or other debris at the side of the road. And as a previous post says, if correctly adjusted they shouldn't dazzle you. And thats the problem: In the main (now I know this is a generalisation but stay with me) the boy racer brigade either have older cars that have lost their alignment, or have aftermarket lights that haven't been properly fitted.

So, in defence fog lights are useful if used properly!
Front Foglights - why? - davemar
I got pulled by the police for having my front foglights on once...on a car with no front fogs! Luckily for them one of my brakelights had just died, so they have something they could tick me off with.
Front Foglights - why? - henry k
Sorry but
Thanks to Mr Ford's great design the light switch on both my Mondeo II and the Focus I drive are as follows.
The Front fog lights have to be switched on BEFORE the rear fog lights.
IMO this is a very poor design. In fact it seems back to front or it should be back then front.

So please do not be too hard on Ford drivers in poor vosibility who only want to warn off the guy behind.
Front Foglights - why? - Adam {P}
I agree Henry - and the warning lights aren't too prominent either; nestled down to the right next to the light switch.
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Adam
Front Foglights - why? - Hugo {P}
Could this be a foglight AND a 4x4 thread in one?
Great.


Yeah, and let's throw in Bull Bars for good measure :)
Front Foglights - why? - Adam {P}
Woah - you can't have a 4x4 thread without mentioning speed bumps...or cameras for that matter....or speeding.

NW - WHERE ARE YOU???
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Adam
Front Foglights - why? - mike100
I suspect there are one or two drivers out there who don't know what they're for or how to turn them off or what that funny little indicator is for on the dash. (Probably the same drivers who can't find the indicator stalk or the correct lane on roundabouts.) Maybe they drive other people's cars (or other people drive their cars) and the previous journey needed (?) foglights. In which case, why don't manufacturers fit relays/switches which reset to "off" whenever the ignition is turned off, thereby preventing someone driving with them inadvertently "on" from the previous journey?
Front Foglights - why? - Adam {P}
My Dad's Mazda has that. Fogs on, turn engine off and on again, Fogs Off. Has a huge orange light next to the speedo too!
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Adam
Front Foglights - why? - Dynamic Dave
My Dad's Mazda has that. Fogs on, turn engine off and
on again, Fogs Off.


Vauxhall have had that set up for quite some time now. Either turning off the lights or ignition switch defaults the fog lights (front & rears) to the OFF position.

Citreon/Peugeot fog lights also turn themselves off when you rotate the indicator stalk to turn off the headlights.
Front Foglights - why? - henry k
Citreon/Peugeot fog lights also turn themselves off when you rotate the
indicator stalk to turn off the headlights.

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Ford also turn off the fogs when you turn off the other lights.
It is the inability to select the rear fogs without having the front fogs on that irks me. What is the logic in that?
Front Foglights - why? - rjr
I think it might be that Ford know people use front fog lights as fashion accessories. If you could only turn them on after the rear fog lights were turned on then people would simply drive around with front & rear fog lights on.
Front Foglights - why? - BrianW
Same system needed (relay off with ignition) with rear fogs, too.
Along with a warning if a bulb has blown on headlights, tail lights and stop lights.
Front Foglights - why? - Altea Ego
I know when a bulb has blown on my headlights, - half the road is not lit up. Well I would but my foglights are on so that covers that.
Front Foglights - why? - Insect
Put pointless lights on cars and someone is BOUND to misuse them. The people who use foglights in good visibility may not be the same ones that use sidelights in fog, but if cars had neither foglights or sidelights we'd all be better off, I reckon!
Front Foglights - why? - Pugugly {P}
They are the most pointless bit of kit on a car.
Front Foglights - why? - hillman
>>They also slam on the anchors for speed cameras regardless of whether they already within the limit or not.

That's because they are posing and not paying attention to their driving!

Having front fog lights doesn't help other drivers to see you any more than having dipped headlights will, and you are supposed to have those on.
My rear fog lights will not come on until the dipped headlights are on, and they revert to off when the headlights are off.
Front Foglights - why? - Bromptonaut
Used properly they light the nearside kerb and centre white line immediately in front. We have lots of unlit lanes some pretty good fog here. Two or three times a year I need the foggies to feel my way to the next village and the A45. Must have travelled that road thousands of times but it's still completely disorientating.

Also turned off mains and driven on sides and fogs in falling heavy snow - again on the last mile in on the lanes.

But if your safe over 20mph the front ones ain't doing anything for you - except facilitating use of the required rears.
Front Foglights-Why? Volume 1 3/4 - madux
Blimey - I've just found something wrong with our otherwise flawless Mazda MX5.
No foglight warning light!
I now have to get out and look at the back every time I drive it to see if they have been left on!
Front Foglights-Why? Volume 1 3/4 - madux
(Before I drive it, I mean)
Front Foglights-Why? Volume 1 3/4 - Steve Pearce
What gets me are the fogwits that drive around with the fogs on but only have one working!
Front Foglights-Why? Volume 1 3/4 - Happy Blue!
Steve

many cars only have one fog light fitted. Always on the same side so you can identify which side of the car you are about to hit.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Front Foglights-Why? Volume 1 3/4 - Steve Pearce
many cars only have one fog light fitted. Always on
the same side so you can identify which side of the
car you are about to hit.


Huh..I was referring to front fogs. I've never seen a car with (intentionally) one front foglight.
Front Foglights-Why? Volume 1 3/4 - No Do$h
That's not a foglight; they've run over a scooter.