Deciphering private plates - Doc
I was recently browsing the DVLA "Classic Collection" site (like you do) featuring the prices obtained at the last number auction.

I cannot understand why someone was willing to pay the prices outlined. To me they mean nothing, or am I missing the obvious?

I can understand the attraction of DOC 1 or DR 1, but not plates that need a cryptologist to decipher!


A48 BAS £2100

A511 ANE £1800

ABR 8R £2300

ANW 9R £4000

AWH 17E £6200

B120 WNY £3500




Any ideas?



Deciphering private plates - smokie
I saw ARO3ATE on one of those fancy looking Morgan Aero 8s today.

I guess it would have looked right to someone who was dyslexic.
Deciphering private plates - smokie
A48 BAS £2100 = A ABBAS

A511 ANE £1800 = A SHANE (remember the black screw caps)

ABR 8R £2300 dunno

ANW 9R £4000 probably ANWAR

AWH 17E £6200 = A WHITE

B120 WNY £3500 = erm...BROWN Y?
Deciphering private plates - Andrew-T
that looks more like a poor attempt at 'Arrogate to me, smokie.
Deciphering private plates - BrianW
The only obvious one at first glance is the top one, A48 BAS, which could read A ABBAS
Deciphering private plates - matt35 {P}
Or the second one - ASININE?

Matt35
Deciphering private plates - DavidHM
The last two are A WHITE and BROWNY, if you look hard enough. Big if, admittedly.
Deciphering private plates - Hull4000
K1PP3R3D! = all of them. These plates for the narcisstic dafties.
Deciphering private plates - Hull4000
...or even narcissistic dafties!
Deciphering private plates - Aprilia
Good grief, £6200 for something that 'might' look like 'A WHITE' - just shows how many people have more money than sense. I thought with ANPR the police were cracking down on folks messing about with letter spacings?

For £100 you can buy an Irish number which makes your reg. 'dateless' - seems much better value to me!
Deciphering private plates - machika
Apart from the crazy sums of money paid out, a lot of these private plates are surely illegal when the numbers or letters are deformed to look like something else, or spaced out incorrectly. Why are people allowed to get away with it?
Deciphering private plates - VTiredeyes
i thought i got a bargin when i got my wifes.
i got n16ola
it was only £62'500
www.carmarks.net
or i think its
www.number-plates-car-registrations.co.uk/
now

Deciphering private plates - matt35 {P}
David,

Must be confusing for Michael Jackson...

Matt35.
Deciphering private plates - trancer
There is a late model MB S class driving around my area with H17LER. As far as I can tell the spacing/font hasn't been altered, but I still reckon the owner is one brave soul.
Deciphering private plates - VTiredeyes
i lied, i couldnt really afford £64 grand
but it looks close
www.tiredeyes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/cars/Nic...g
have a guess how much.
and im sorry but i really dislike plates that have your initials, i mean whats the point, is my name vincent paul linaker, or did i just get a reg of A999VPL
or did someone mention my visible panty line?
but when it spells a first name, it looks different.
what are your feelings on this absurd self indulgance?
I havent a plate, as i havent a car.
and i would love that hi7ler plate. very good.
Deciphering private plates - DavidHM
£499? But how much in fines? (V16OLA currently shows up as registered to the imported Puma) www.rac.co.uk/myrac/vehicle_data_check/

H17LER is apparently not on anything at the moment but DHM1 is on a 2000 Rover 75.
Deciphering private plates - VTiredeyes
cant log in to that !
whats the username & password ?
nope it was £399.
yes i changed it on tuesday, takes a while to swop over.
i have to sell the puma, so as i can get myself a car!
its like driving in a box of sardines with 4 mini tyres on each corner
Deciphering private plates - trancer
"H17LER is apparently not on anything at the moment "

Could it have been HI7LER?, I will try to get a pic of the plate next time I see it. The last two sightings were within a mile of each other so chances are it will be in the area again and brown S-class MBs are not too common so it does stand out. Also appeared to be chauffeur driven, not to say that has anything to do with the plate, just an observation.
Deciphering private plates - Damp Squib
If you want people to know what your name is (Why should they care anyway?) put a strip of paper in your back window saying "My name is Dumwit" or whatever it is. Then they can tell, DVLA will be out of pocket and Plod can't catch you for messing about with bolts on your reg plate. What a result!
Deciphering private plates - VTiredeyes
mmm
better than f20vds or d5sdt
I do like plates that are different, like people like their cars to be different. if we were all the same, the world would be a boring place. I know an even better idea. we could all have electric cars, and wear the same clothes. and have electronic neck tags, so if we do anything wrong, we get a little jolt. now thats a result (im sure there's a film like that)
Deciphering private plates - Welliesorter
Am I alone in wanting my car to be as undistinctive and anonymous as possible?
Deciphering private plates - Mad Maxy
If people really want to have their name or initials on their car reg, that's fine by me. It's just a bit sad. There are so many of these plates around that they're just corny. Almost more distinctive to have a regular index mark.

However, both my cars have 'private' plates. I got the first one a few years back when they new-style reg numbers came in, because I wanted a piece of 'motoring history'. It's YPP 568, which happens to be a local Bucks reg too.

I was happy with that, but I've hankered from time to time after a reg from a London RT or Routemaster (RM) bus. Then I saw one for sale and had to have it. WLT 432 makes me feel good every time I see it (crazy, huh?. The bus the mark was originally on is still in service in London and Arriva the bus company let me go to Brixton garage to photo the bus and the car together.

Only downside is, people might think my name is Yvonne Petra Phrump or William Leonard Trouser. Ah, hell do I care? I know why I've got them. I guess we're all a bit sad in our own way...
Deciphering private plates - machika
No one has really answered the question as to why people are allowed to get away with changing the spacing and deforming letters or numbers. If the police were so keen on taking action against such practices, there wouldn't be the proliferation of registration plates around that are corrupted in this way. Is it only fines that are meted out and what action is taken against people who refuse to correct these registrations?

Some of the fonts that are used are so difficult to read, as to make it almost impossible to tell what the registration is, unless it is very close up or the vehicle is not moving.
Deciphering private plates - Doc
Great news!

I've just discovered that if I stand on my head, close one eye, and with a complex system of mirrors, I can make my plate read: PTERODACTYL.

And I've saved myself £4000.


Deciphering private plates - Andrew-T
That's the point, machika. The intention is for the plate to be just readable by a (semi-)intelligent human, but illegible to speed cameras and the like.
Deciphering private plates - machika
That's the point, machika. The intention is for the plate to
be just readable by a (semi-)intelligent human, but illegible to speed
cameras and the like.


OK, we accept that it makes it difficult or impossible to read, so it is illegal. Why are there so many about then? It is not as though they are inconspicuous. What would happen to someone who changed the number completely?

If owners of these cars were made to turn up at the local police station to prove they had rectified the matter and/or there was a system of ever increasing fines for non-compliance then the practice might cease.
Deciphering private plates - henry k
>> That's the point, machika. The intention is for the plate
to
>> be just readable by a (semi-)intelligent human, but illegible to
speed
>> cameras and the like.
>>
OK, we accept that it makes it difficult or impossible to
read, so it is illegal. Why are there so many
about then? It is not as though they are inconspicuous.

>>
I do not think you get away with it on speed cameras. I understand that the mark one eyeball and a magnifier comes into play.

I saw a new, to me, varient of an LN 03 XXX number plate that had the common caligraphy writing but in addition had three grey / shadowy images of the vehicle behind the registration letters making it even more difficult to read.
So much for the new regulations putting a stop to funny plates.
Deciphering private plates - Andrew-T
No, Wellie. With well over 20 million cars about, the urge to stand out is just extrovert, though I suppose it might help to find one's car in Tesco car park. Besides, anonymity may be an advantage sometimes?
Deciphering private plates - henry k
If you want people to know what your name is (Why
should they care anyway?) put a strip of paper in your
back window saying "My name is Dumwit" or whatever it is.


Two families in my area I know of have their name on their number plate.

S 50FAT and K 50FAT.
Illegal spacing but easy to remember.

But better still a family with a three letter oriental name have four expensive Mercs with number plates 1 XYZ, 2 XYZ, 3 XYZ and 4 XYZ. (I have not disclosed the actual name.)
If you want to do it then this is surely 4 of the best.
Deciphering private plates - BobbyG
Sorry but to be blunt that number plate is 100% illegal. To try to change the V to an N is no different from just having a completely different plate on your car.

Either way its illegal and I hope you change it before the police (hopefully) hammer you for it!

FWIW, no wonder it was so cheap, we could all buy the cheapest plate and then add black bolts or whatever to change it to different letters!

Sad, very sad.
Deciphering private plates - Robbie
I've got a personal plate on my car but it's just my initials and the usual prefix and number. I've had it since 1990 and it cost just £250. However, it's probably saved me that by not having to get new plates for the caravan every time I change the car.

The only drawback was that I got overcharged for foreign travel insurance because the company thought my car was over ten years old.
Deciphering private plates - Ben {P}
My dad bought a car at auction with the number plate: B12 KVA, is that worth anything? I wondered if someone with a B12 Alpina might want it?
Deciphering private plates - Garethj
I was explaining this phenomenon to an Anerican friend, and he asked "why don't you just ask for whatever letters and numbers you want and get them for the normal registration fee like we do in the US?"

As long as the number is unique and has the correct size letters on the correct size plate you can get whatever you want.

Obviously I didn't have an answer for him, other than to say that if people here are prepared to pay for it there'll always be someone prepared to charge you for it!

Gareth
Deciphering private plates - Imagos
there is no such thing as a 'private plate'

think about it.
Deciphering private plates - David Horn
To me, a personalised plate says, "Steal Me" or "Scratch Me" to the first track-suited yob that walks past the car.

Are the plates that have a normal reg number in italics legal, eg, S770 DTT? They're on a few sports cars my way - presumably they're illegible to speed cameras? I suppose in that case they get flagged up for human eyes.
Deciphering private plates - volvoman
Got it! These people are stupid and need to personalise their plates so they can find their cars in the supermarket car park :)

Saw a truly pathetic one yesterday on an Escort Gti - the number '4' had been cut down to look like an L and read 'Luke'

BTW - I've mentioned this before but the bloke round the corner still has his little bits of black insulating tape strategically placed on his plate. Immature or what?
Deciphering private plates - Mark (RLBS)
Illegal plates to one side, I don't really understand why everybody gets so worked up about "private" plates.

Ok, I wouldn't spend my money that way, but I can't say it bothers me if someone else does. In reality, I can't say it affects me in any way at all.

Or is this another example of "I don't want to so, you shouldn't be allowed to" that seems to becoming so prevalent these days?
Deciphering private plates - volvoman
I couldn't care less if someone wants to spend their money on proper, legal personalised plates. It's the sort who illegally alter the letters and/or numerals to read something quite different who bother me. The reason for my objection is simple - it's illegal.
Deciphering private plates - Oz
It's the sort who illegally alter the letters and/or numerals


Likewise the spacing, in my opinion. Although I confess I recently found W M02ART quite entertaining.
Oz (as was)
Deciphering private plates - Doc
I couldn't care less if someone wants to spend their money
on proper, legal personalised plates. It's the sort who illegally
alter the letters and/or numerals to read something quite different who
bother me. The reason for my objection is simple -
it's illegal.



I find it odd that the DVLA appear to give tacit approval to this practice, as they advertise and sell these numbers to the public.

Deciphering private plates - BazzaBear {P}
It is quite amusing that one government department tries to sell you plates clearly designed to be mis-read, and another is supposed to punish you for that offence.
Deciphering private plates - BrianW
Same principle as the Inland Revenue taking income tax and national insurance off someone earning £91.25 a week and then DHSS paying them Income Support.
Deciphering private plates - Insect
Why bother with buying an expensive personal plate? Much cheaper to change your name to match your reg!!
Deciphering private plates - Ian (Cape Town)
Locally, you can buy a "personalised" personalised plate. Just pop down the traffic dept, fill in a few forms, and bob's your uncle... as long as nobody else has it. So you can get things like Ian - WP, PMS 24 7 - WP (seen on a mini the other day), Ajax - WP (Local football club chairman), etc etc etc.
(WP = Western Province. A misnomer, as the area is actually called the Western Cape. However, I doubt if there's a market for WC numberplates.)
However, why would somebody want to put BMW 330I-WP on a car? I mean, it's pretty damn obvious what the car is!!!
Deciphering private plates - Garethj
Once again, www.sniffpetrol.com has a valid observation on this subject... {Link removed}

You might not want to open it if the vicar or your mother is standing behind you.

{Link removed as we don\'t want to encourage others to follow suit and post similar types of link. DD}
Deciphering private plates - BazzaBear {P}
A fantastic web-site. They do tend to cut straight to the heart of many matters, don't they? :D
Deciphering private plates - Garethj
Sorry DD, technically there wasn't a swear word in there and I did put a warning.

I should probably have e-mailed a moderator first - live and learn.

Gareth
Deciphering private plates - SR
"Or is this another example of "I don't want to so, you shouldn't be allowed to" that seems to becoming so prevalent these days?"

or maybe an example of "It's illegal and just because people have been getting way with it for years doesn't make it right"
Deciphering private plates - patently
I'm totally in favour of allowing private plates to anyone who wants one. If they want to play with the spacing or engage in similar games, then all to the good.

That way, the idiots on the road are easy to spot and avoiding action can be taken that little bit sooner.
Deciphering private plates - Mark (RLBS)
>>or maybe an example of "It's illegal and just because people have been getting way with it for years doesn't make it right"

Pity you didn't perfect the art of reading while you were practicing silly comments.

The fist line of my note read....

"Illegal plates to one side, I don't really understand why everybody gets so worked up about "private" plates.



1/10 writer must try harder.
Deciphering private plates - Porkstone
The best private plate I have seen was on a big merc when I looked in my rear view mirror the reversed letters spelt GIGILO !

Pure quality :)
Deciphering private plates - Mapmaker
Normally I'd be delighted to encourage people to pay extra to the Government - it should save the rest of us tax, so yes, 'private' plates are an excellent idea. The only problem is that the current lot will only waste the money!
Deciphering private plates - Andrew-T
Or to adapt a well-known phrase - The car behind is an ATOYOT .
Deciphering private plates - edisdead {P}
Spotted recently on a Kia 4x4:

M15 ERS (or something along those lines)

;-)
Deciphering private plates - volvoman
Well I guess there's no law stating that you have to be able to spell 'Gigolo' in order to own a big Merc with a personalised plate!

Saw quite a few dodgy plates today. Rather than dodgy spacing or fonts, 3 of them had plates in which either the horizontal and/or vertical elements of characters had been 'slimmed' down to become almost invisible. I thought I'd seen everything!
Deciphering private plates - machika
As I keep asking, how do they get away with it, as that kind of thing is commonplace? Some stiff penalties are in order I think, and repeat offenders should have the cars impounded.
Deciphering private plates - Pete M
I lived in the UK for 5 years and while the system of registration plate numbering must have some uses, I could never quite understand the obsession with year coding. So Mr Smith could very proudly show off his X-plate Mondeo, "It's the latest, you know..." Pathetic.
As for the police butting in on the recent changes, so they want to be able to tell not only what year a car was registered, but also where in the country. With the number of cars on UK roads, what possible point is there in that? Unless you force people to change their registration if they move into a different county, and yes there are countries where that happens, the information is irrelevant.
People are able to fiddle with numbers and letters to try and spell something out on their plates, such as their name. In most cases it's so obscure, they have to tell you before you can work it out. Why not have the plates made by a central agency in stamped aluminium, and let people buy a registration if it's available? On an admittedly smaller scale, that works here in NZ and is a nice money spinner for the government. If a car has JIMBO as its plate, why is that less effective than X53FE123?
Look at www.plates.co.nz to see how it should work.
Deciphering private plates - mab23

People do get stopped for dodgy plates - a colleague of mine got stopped by the rozzers for having an "italic" font at the back on his car. Got a penalty notice and told to get new plates within 7 days I think.

Mike
Deciphering private plates - Dynamic Dave
and told to get new plates within 7 days I think.


If he did, then he would have also had to report to a garage that does MOT's to get a certificate to confirm that the numberplates confirmed to the appropriate standards - which he would then have to produce at plod shop.