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Except of course Clarkson who has new ones and keeps his 07 Range Rover, which has recently had a turbo refurb because he loves it so much.
And this is the sentiment of many JLR owners especially when they see the old Defender prices rocketing .
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But quote unquote,
I did hear a tale that certain high profile punters were getting vehicles which had been gone over with a very very fine toothcomb,
Pure hearsay., of course
But come on, as said before, warning lights on 3 brand new cars..
I hate to think of the costs when an infotainment cum dash board cum navigation system goes clunk out of warranty.
That'll be OOOOOuch quid sir or madam
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But quote unquote,
I did hear a tale that certain high profile punters were getting vehicles which had been gone over with a very very fine toothcomb,
Pure hearsay., of course
But come on, as said before, warning lights on 3 brand new cars..
I hate to think of the costs when an infotainment cum dash board cum navigation system goes clunk out of warranty.
That'll be OOOOOuch quid sir or madam
Certainly in the Austin-Rover days, they had a complete department, Press Operations, which would carefully run-in new cars, deal with any issues and then remove all squeeks/rattles with additional soundproof pads - clebrities used to get cars from this pool.
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I love nuggets of information like this, super cool. I wonder if the same thing goes on now? Easier in an analogue age to run in the car in like that than now I suspect.
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As Bollore came from Renault (although he wasn't there for long), maybe he's the person to sort the problems out. Afterall, Renault have pulled their socks up, from often being towards the bottom of the surveys for cars soon after the turn of the Century to a much more satisfactory position in the last decade or so.
I don't think it's the complexity of JLR products that's the problem. Are they more complex than some of the German competitors? Many of the components are bought in from other companies, I suspect it's more how those components are incorporated.
There's me seriously considering an Evoque PHEV...maybe the problems are sorted.
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I love nuggets of information like this, super cool. I wonder if the same thing goes on now? Easier in an analogue age to run in the car in like that than now I suspect.
I imagine that all makers have always done this, and still do.
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I love nuggets of information like this, super cool. I wonder if the same thing goes on now? Easier in an analogue age to run in the car in like that than now I suspect.
To a degree. If I recall, remember when the new 1.5TSI engine from VAG came out and all that hoo-har about 'kangerooing?
The press test day for it (in a Golf, I think) in some hot country (Spain?) said it was fine, but apparently word got out that the VW engineering team had temporarily modified the test car(s) so that the effect was missing (odd why it took them several months after to produce a permanent fix).
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But quote unquote,
I did hear a tale that certain high profile punters were getting vehicles which had been gone over with a very very fine toothcomb,
Pure hearsay., of course
But come on, as said before, warning lights on 3 brand new cars..
I hate to think of the costs when an infotainment cum dash board cum navigation system goes clunk out of warranty.
That'll be OOOOOuch quid sir or madam
Certainly in the Austin-Rover days, they had a complete department, Press Operations, which would carefully run-in new cars, deal with any issues and then remove all squeeks/rattles with additional soundproof pads - clebrities used to get cars from this pool.
Certainly in Switzerland ALL the cars went through a process called "Swissfinish" by the Importer>
I still remember the stickers on the cars.
Edited by _ORB_ on 10/03/2021 at 20:24
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On the earnings call, chief creative officer Gerry McGovern reassured investors that “we are reducing the complexity of our vehicles massively.” That’s a curious way of addressing quality and reliability,
No it isn't. Complexity deters thoughtful buyers (especially off-roaders, which must still form an influential part of the potential customer base) for this reason, but it'd be more appropriate as a guiding principle at the design stage. Limited, difficult, expensive and wasteful once in production.
more so if you remember that Land Rover has added unwanted complexity to the Defender by switching from a simple ladder frame to a unibody.”
Uh?
. A ladder frame with a separate body is probably more complex than a unibody, (more bits,with relative movement, y'know?), monocoque has been standard for cars long long before CAD was available, and I havn't heard any reports that the Defender body has been failing.
OTOH the Toyota Tacoma, (sounds like an obscure skin cancer, perhaps a tribute to The Great Outdoors Lifestyle?) which is trad body-on-frame, has developed a reputation for frame breakage.
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I remember an article in autocar a couple of years ago, where the Landrover head of design Gerry McGovern? was very sneery about the Lexus Rx450,
He said that you could tell that Lexus had done the engineering before the styling. I think Landrover should maybe hire a senior Toyota engineer to help with the oily bits.
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Never had an interest in Land Rover precisely because of the unreliability.
Too many common issues
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I have been wondering about the ingenium engines
From the jlr owners forums they seem to be a bit like marmite.
Opinions on a postcard please.
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ORB I am not sure about the ingenium, on the one hand I am glad to see engine design go native again. I just hope they prioritised the right aspects like durability but I doubt it. That said it is the first Land Rover engine since the td5 and that was actually a good engine.
The previous Ford/PSA v6 diesels were smooth but time bombs with snapped cranks leaving customers with £20k new engine bills snd approved used warranty didnt cover it. Good riddance to that one, hopefully the inline 6 ingenium will do better.
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Yes and no..... Clarkson, in Top Gear days, wrote his column in the TG magazine about how he was chopping in his Range Rover after three years, due to too many electrical issues, He bemoaned how a £70K plus product can be so unsatisfactory.
He was willing to put into print the reality of RR ownership. He loves them still, but he's not delusional.
The new Defender is a disaster. Setting aside the predictable build and reliability concers, any vehicle launch that has it's entire diesel engine replaced after just 6 months on sale has clearly had a troubled birth.
Factor in the poor emissions and economy, the questionable pricing and target market, and the very fussy styling - its not looking good.
Were the new Defender proving a success, they wouldn't be peddling a V8 model (£90K!) after less than 18 months on sale. It's crisis-management there I'd say - at least theyre starting to admit it.
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