VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Joanne Dodds

Hi everyone.

I'm after a bit of advice. I currently have a 09 1.2 Polo which at 105,000 miles has had no major issues and been a really good, sound car but I'm now looking to get a golf.

I was after a bit of advice on what's best to compromise on, miles or age.My budget is around £7000 (ideally nearer 6k) and I've seen some decent cars, 2012/2013, but they have around 80,000 miles on. Is this an issue or would there still be plenty life left as long as the car has been looked after.

Anything I should be looking out for?

Appreciate any advice.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - badbusdriver

For that budget I’d be looking at something Japanese instead, Honda Civic, Mazda 3 or Toyota Auris. For a 7-8 year old used car buy, I’d have much more faith in one of those three than a Golf. There are some Golf engine/transmission combo’s better than others, but it’s just too much of a minefield to sift through them. Also, much depends on how well or otherwise the Golf has been maintained, which isn’t that easy to find out.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Steveieb
Good advice.
How about a Mazda 3 in that lovely red paintwork. My daughter is delighted with her 15 plate one she bought from the main dealer.
Totally reliable and great looking and shows you are thinking outside the box.
Actually built in Japan unlike other Japanese sounding cars which are assembled here or elsewhere.

But if it must be the Golf avoid the 1.6 TDI Diesel engine which has a class action against the company for cheating and suffers so many problems especially when coupled up to the DSG auto gearbox.

Unfortunately the herd instinct prevails as one trader told me that he specialises in Golfs as for every ten car buyers eight would buy a Golf.
VW Golf - Buying a used golf - SLO76
I’d avoid a Golf at this money, they’re not the reliable and simple car past examples were. You’d be right in the zone where timing chains and the diesel emissions “fix” ruined reliability for many. Either spend substantially more and get a post 2012 TSI or 2014 2.0 diesel. Avoid the autos at all costs.

A better bet would be to stick with a simple Japanese engined petrol hatchback such as the following.

Mazda 3 1.6
Toyota Auris 1.6
Ford Focus 1.6 (uses a Yamaha designed motor, don’t touch the 1.0 Ecoboost!)
Honda Civic 1.4/1.8

All will be much more reliable than an equivalent Golf and you’ll get a newer, lower mileage example for your money. Look for cars with full service records and longterm previous ownership.
VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Joanne Dodds

Thank you all for you're help.

I have ended my golf dream for now and am looking at the Mazda 3. There aren't too may for sale in my area at the minute but I'm not in any rush.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - SLO76
When buying used don’t fixate on one particular car, you need to cast the net as wide as possible so I’d include the others I’ve mentioned above. Don’t walk past a tidy Focus 1.6 to get to a tatty Mazda 3. Buy among these cars on condition and history. They’re all generally robust and decent to drive but the Mazda 3 and Focus stand out for driver appeal. The Civic and Auris are the most robust overall but are a little bland to drive.
VW Golf - Buying a used golf - badbusdriver

Thank you all for you're help.

I have ended my golf dream for now and am looking at the Mazda 3. There aren't too may for sale in my area at the minute but I'm not in any rush.

If you are struggling for choice in your area, I’d also expand the list to include the Kia Ceed and Hyundai i30. These two Korean’s are essentially the same car under the skin and equipped with the 1.6 petrol are a perfectly decent option, and likely to be more reliable than a Golf. The Ceed in particular is a really nice looking car, styled by someone who was poached from Audi.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - SkodaIan

Looking at this thread and the one about the Seat Alhambra, prices of used cars seem to have gone a bit silly at the moment. I'd really not want to spend £7k on anything which was 7 or 8 years old.

Instead of doing searches by make, try doing searches on Autotrader by price first, then select a sensible mileage and then sort by "Age-Newest First" to see what cars come available, ignoring Cat "S" cars, and possibly private sales as well. This helps give a good comparison what you can get for your money.

As a first pass with the max mileage set to 60000, it looks like for £7k you could get a base model 2017 Astra, a 2016 Hyundai i30, a 2015 Toyota Auris, Ford Focus, Skoda Octavia or Seat Leon, a 2014 Honda Civic, a 2013 VW Golf or a 2012 Audi A3. All of these cars have between 50000 and 60000 miles on

If I was in the market for a car, I'd be looking at the above average miles newer cars rather than the average miles older cars from more "Premium" makes. The Leon, Octavia, Golf and A3 are all essentially the same car underneath, but for the same money you get an Audi which is 3 years older than the Seat with the same miles on.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Joanne Dodds

I really appreciate all your recommendations and advice.

From what's been mentioned I like the look of Seat Leon, Mazda M3, Kia Ceed, Audi A3, possibly also A1.

What's everyone's thoughts on BMW1 series?

Also with regards to the Audi A3 what would you class as too many miles?

I'll be making sure to check MOT history and service history of all cars.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - _ORB_

Only my tuppence woth, but the BMW 1 series is not agood idea unless under manufacturers warranty. Try a Ceed or even a Rio 1.4. ( I hada Rio for a couple of years, entirely problem free.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - bazza

The 1 series is fairly cramped in the back and I can never get comfortable in the driver's seat. With all of these cars and your budget, you have to be a bit careful as the cars are past the first flush if youth and you're out of warranty too, so there could be expensive work around the corner. Although "showroom" nice, the VW group cars are best owned during the warranty period, they are not known as the most reliable cars, particularly after a few years. The Japanese and Korean makes have both better reliability records on average ( particularly Toyota) and tend to have longer warranties if serviced correctly, hence why they are being recommended here. They may not be very exciting but you have a much better chance of picking up something trouble free, especially if you buy main dealer stock. Eg a main dealer petrol auris will have a years warranty and is very unlikely to give you trouble.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Miniman777

Many of the experienced voices on the forum will have views on various marques, and mileages, but the lower, the better.

My pet hate is anything VW/Audi as they have treated many customers abominably over the years after major faults - ABS brake modules, DSG gearboxes, timing chains, diesel gate etc.

From your revised list, Mazda 3 and Kia Ceed should serve you well, especially if a Kia has the balance of the 7 year warranty in force.

BMW 1 series - there's good and bad, some had engine issues (N47 engine), but it can be a boy racer car and thrashed. It's also rear wheel drive (unless you get an X drive version), so roads in snow and ice wont be fun.

FWIW, I've bought 3 Mini/BMWs via their Approved Used scheme and simply cannot fault the service when issues have arisen - two examples: a new short engine in an R56 Cooper S after 6 weeks ownership after a piston cracked, and a new differential on a 9 month old BMW X3. No quibbles, done and dusted with no fuss, dealer sorted start to finish, which is where many after market warranties fail. Such warranties have limits which are soon eaten up and you've a big problem. Mini/BMW limit is the value of the vehicle.

So, my advice would be to look for a car under an franchise approved scheme, not a vehicle from your corner sales lot offering a warranty backed by Arthur Daley, and you should do OK. Create a short list.

But do the due diligence bits, take someone with you view, never buy unseen, have a test drive over roads where you can do 60 or 70. Is it comfortable? Check for noise, vibration or other issues. Check MoTs, carry out a detailed inspection to assess how its been cared for; ask to see the service book and check it has been serviced with manufacturers recommendations. If not, can invalidate warranty. No service books or they're missing? Walk away, there'll be something else along. Salesmen/women lie to secure a sale and then when the missing book appears there's a gap.

Dont feel pressurised to sign and if you dont like the deal on the table, walk away and think in your own space. Earlier this year, Mrs Miniman and I were buying a new Mini, but sales team tried the 'Good Cop, Bad Cop' routine, stalling on a decent discount (compared to Car Wow), implied car was in group stock (it wasn't), Mini dont like us discounting, etc, etc. Played them off against another dealer and got a further £4k off what their best price was.

Good luck.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Big John

No service books or they're missing? Walk away, there'll be something else along.

Many newer cars don't come with a service book as such these days from new. Your service record is held at the dealer and you are presented with a printout after each service of your record thus far. So saying walk away without a service book could be a bit of an issue.

Myself I only recently moved away from main dealer servicing with my 2014 Superb and I've decided to buy a blank service book to get stamped going forward and have clipped the main dealer record onto the inside cover of this.

However whatever - condition is all and service record is a key part of this.

This time last year managed to find a lovely 2016 Octavia 1.2 tsi (which has the later EA211 engine) with 19k miles for my son for under £8k - it had just had its first MOT. Car used prices seem to be a bit bonkers this year though - probably because of Covid!

Edited by Big John on 21/10/2020 at 20:18

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Falkirk Bairn

>>a bit bonkers this year though - probably because of Covid!

Covid & the fact that new car prices are rising very fast - EU fines on emissions put thousands on cars + manufacturer prices rise when 1) New Model 2) Facelift & the £ bumping along the bottom does not help.

New Fiestas can be £20K+

New Suzuki Across £47K (RAV4 in a slightly different suit)

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - RT

EU fines for emissions shouldn't affect UK car prices - but car makers may spread their cost more widely - they will create shortages of lower emission models in the UK going forward as EU sales will be prioritized to minimise those EU fines.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - madf

EU fines for emissions shouldn't affect UK car prices - but car makers may spread their cost more widely - they will create shortages of lower emission models in the UK going forward as EU sales will be prioritized to minimise those EU fines.

The UK are introducing exactly the same measures.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Miniman777

No service books or they're missing? Walk away, there'll be something else along.

Many newer cars don't come with a service book as such these days from new. Your service record is held at the dealer and you are presented with a printout after each service of your record thus far. So saying walk away without a service book could be a bit of an issue.

I knew someone would raise this. So the dealer should provide the SH printout to show prospective buyer, but buyer should still be prepared to walk if they cant for whatever reason. A print of a SH might become more of a problem when non-franchised or small dealers are the sellers, I tend not to buy that way.

What is nice is when an owner passes on all the old invoices and MoT certificate too, which I've done on a couple of private car sales. It also shows the car to be more cared for than the lease/rental offering on forecourts, and the seller has nothing to hide.

I agree on prices being bonkers - WBAC showed wife's 2012 Cooper S convertable (32k miles, FSH) to be worth £5685 in March, but shot up to £6800 when we passed it to No.2 daughter in July. Even had my local Mini dealer call and ask if it was for sale as they had a customer who wanted that spec. Crazy, eh?

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - SLO76
Speaking of prices, I’ve just been looking for a used van for a work colleague and I’m stunned by the insane prices being asked for vehicles that could explode in a cloud of smoke tomorrow. 150,000 mile Transits and Transporters are £7k upwards, which for a vehicle that could be a write-off tomorrow is utter madness. I’ve advised him to either buy a smaller new or pre reg van (Vauxhall Combo can be had for £10k) or buy an MPV or large estate instead. Looks like another Avensis Estate will be joining the ranks in the work carpark shortly.
VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Andrew-T

From what's been mentioned I like the look of Seat Leon, Mazda M3, Kia Ceed, Audi A3, possibly also A1. What's everyone's thoughts on BMW1 series? Also with regards to the Audi A3 what would you class as too many miles?

It seems to me you have an urge to get a German badge for some reason. If money is a serious consideration, perhaps try to resist that idea - there's no valid basis for it.

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - up north

Depends how hard you look and who you believe. Just bought a Toledo 16 plate with 35k with fsh from a mechanic who worked at SEAT for £5700, 1.2Tsi 110 style advanced. Immaculate and drives perfect. Looks perfectly fine in metallic grey. Much better car than the 66 plate Mazda 2 1.5 sel nav which I was glad to see the back of. If I went off expert reviews then I'd never have bought the Toledo. My Mazda 2 was made in Thailand. The SEAT was made at the Skoda Czech plant. The Toledo is better in every aspect, but I can only base an opinion on having owned both, but not the Mazda 3. New Mazda 2 and 3 have a lot of wind noise and poor quality paint unless sorted in last most recent facelift in 2020. Older Mazdas made in Japan will be reliable though and have a 2007 in the family that has never had an issue. Make a list and look for a car that is the best deal for all the right reasons rather than a must have Golf!

VW Golf - Buying a used golf - Big John

Depends how hard you look and who you believe. Just bought a Toledo 16 plate with 35k with fsh from a mechanic who worked at SEAT for £5700, 1.2Tsi 110 style advanced. Immaculate and drives perfect.

The 1.2 EA211 is a cracking engine but quickly superseded by the 3 cylinder 1.0 tsi

Edited by Big John on 22/10/2020 at 23:07

 

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