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Thanks for the replies so far.... The info on the diesel is good to know, I knew it wouldn't be the right choice but the Mrs likes the look of it.
Maybe it's the wrong time of year, but within 40 miles of us there isn't much about at the moment that fits the bill.
Any thoughts on the Nissan note?
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The first gen cars were well made, practical and good value but the second gen cars don’t seem anything like as robust. Remember Nissan is owned by Renault and essentially their entire range is based on Renault running gear, suspension and electronics. The last Note did still use a Nissan designed 1.2 3cyl petrol motor but otherwise quality took a dive. They’re cheap used but for good reason, customers are generally not that happy with them. The Fiesta, Swift, Yaris and Mazda 2 will be much better to own and easier to sell on again.
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Just for the record... Webuyanycar offered us £3630 for ours, that's really quite offensive!
Unfortunately many of the suggestions above are either too small or there just aren't any around us.... It really does seem to be slim pickings as the moment.
We're also in a position where my wife cannot be without a car for even a day, unless she will be paying for taxis to and from work.
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“Just for the record... Webuyanycar offered us £3630 for ours, that's really quite offensive!“
They tend to be quite good for low mileage retailable stock but hit above average miles/poor condition or history quite hard. Shop around for the best price, its highly unlikely you’ll get it in a swap deal. The only way you would is if the other car is heavily overpriced.
Out of curiosity what age and mileage is your car and does it have a full history of annual servicing?
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“Just for the record... Webuyanycar offered us £3630 for ours, that's really quite offensive!“ They tend to be quite good for low mileage retailable stock but hit above average miles/poor condition or history quite hard. Shop around for the best price, its highly unlikely you’ll get it in a swap deal. The only way you would is if the other car is heavily overpriced. Out of curiosity what age and mileage is your car and does it have a full history of annual servicing?
It's a 2.0 diesel Sri 2012 on an 11 plate... Done 70,900 miles. Full s/h, just had a major service... Tbh it's a great car that I wouldn't want to be getting rid of it it wasn't for the insurance cost and change of circumstance.
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“It's a 2.0 diesel Sri 2012 on an 11 plate... Done 70,900 miles. Full s/h, just had a major service... Tbh it's a great car that I wouldn't want to be getting rid of it it wasn't for the insurance cost and change of circumstance.”
A quick look on Autotrader and I’ve found several similar age 2011-2012 with similar mileages for sale at dealers with warranties around £4,500-£5,000. Factor in prep costs, warranty, advertising and vat on the profit and £3,500-£4,000 is around the trade value of your car. If you want much more you’ll need to sell it privately. Get a price from other dealers, many of whom will buy in stock like this but they expect a decent margin to offset the risk of engine issues with this Fiat designed motor which is prone to a number of problems.
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“It's a 2.0 diesel Sri 2012 on an 11 plate... Done 70,900 miles. Full s/h, just had a major service... Tbh it's a great car that I wouldn't want to be getting rid of it it wasn't for the insurance cost and change of circumstance.” A quick look on Autotrader and I’ve found several similar age 2011-2012 with similar mileages for sale at dealers with warranties around £4,500-£5,000. Factor in prep costs, warranty, advertising and vat on the profit and £3,500-£4,000 is around the trade value of your car. If you want much more you’ll need to sell it privately. Get a price from other dealers, many of whom will buy in stock like this but they expect a decent margin to offset the risk of engine issues with this Fiat designed motor which is prone to a number of problems.
I had a good look around autotrader and the cheapest version I could find of mine within 100 miles was £5000, with the others being in the £5500-£6000 bracket. My gut feeling for a part ex offer on mine was £4250, then I'd put the rest towards the car we're looking at.
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“We're also in a position where my wife cannot be without a car for even a day, unless she will be paying for taxis to and from work.”
No need to be without a car. Get a valuation on it that you’re happy with then go hunting for something else. It can all be arranged to be done in one day. Even if it did mean using a bus/taxi for a day it could cost you hundreds if not more if you do a poor deal.
I did a deal via WBAC a few years back for a relative. She got £10,200 for a Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost Titanium, the same price as offered on their website (the car was perfect) and we picked up the replacement at a local dealer the same day. The deal saved her £1,000 (£700 on the Fiesta and £300 discount) over the origional part ex offer after I negotiated a no trade in discount.
Edited by SLO76 on 01/01/2018 at 12:42
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The C3 is probably less reliable than a Toyota, yes - but they are by no means unreliable. They ride really well and non-turbo petrol manuals are unlikely to break down. They are also much better motorway cruisers than practically all of the Japanese equivilants should you require to do a long journey.
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Just for the record... Webuyanycar offered us £3630 for ours, that's really quite offensive!
Be careful - if I recall, some of those types of outfits give one 'valuation' over the phone/web and then suddenly reduce it once you've committed to buying another car and have to sell the original, amazingly finding many 'new' scratches, dents, stone chips etc that 'weren't there' or the customer' didn't tell them about' before.
Please don't take offence (rather easily, if I may add) at SLO's comments - he has a great reputation as a car dealer of many years standing and knows the industry very well, and besides, he was probably guessing as to the age of your car, which you hadn't given.
Perhaps a general 'lessons learned' exercise to look into issues related to moving home before doing so, in order to make plans to adjust before they become a problem, as has been the case here.
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The way WBAC works £3600 is about right for a car retailing at £5000-5500.
Think about it: WBAC are wholly owned by BCA (British Car Auctions). So, the car will obviously go to auction.
Assuming WBAC want to make a small profit on it after transport costs, overheads, auction costs etc. even if they get £4000 on the block for it they'll struggle to clear £200. That £4000 car then has fees on top for the buyer, plus no doubt delivery etc, so will end up £4300 or so by the time it is sitting in a dealer's in yard. There is then the risk it will need faults fixing, need valeting, probably some smart repairs, plus advertising, storage, VAT margin, maybe a warranty etc. so it really needs to be at £5500 to clear £600 or so out of it and the seller still has the gamble it is a relatively leggy Vauxhall which might come back with an issue.
I think some people are unrealistic about the real costs of marketing, prepping, supporting, storing, transporting and financing used cars.
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Citroen seem to get a lot of negative comments, is this warranted? I have never owned one but always thought they had individuality.
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Citroen seem to get a lot of negative comments, is this warranted? I have never owned one but always thought they had individuality.
I think the days of Citroen's quirkiness with cars such as the CX are long gone. They don't even seem to have the famed soft ride that they were known for, a shame really as they could have found many potential buyers fed up of todays hard suspended cars, Berlingo being an exception. With Citroen I think simpler is better.
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Citroen seem to get a lot of negative comments, is this warranted? I have never owned one but always thought they had individuality.
I think the days of Citroen's quirkiness with cars such as the CX are long gone. They don't even seem to have the famed soft ride that they were known for, a shame really as they could have found many potential buyers fed up of todays hard suspended cars, Berlingo being an exception. With Citroen I think simpler is better.
Not strictly true regarding the ride. They certainly went through a phase of trying to make their cars ride like they were German, i.e, rock hard. But the recently retired C3 Picasso always had a lovely supple loping ride. The C4 cactus continues in very much the same way, as does the new C3, and soon to be released C3 aircross.
The DS models seem to be a mixed bag in this respect, with the DS4 and DS5 reputedly both having a very harsh ride, though going by what I have read in the motoring press, the facelifted versions (with the citroen 'chevrons' nowhere to be seen) of the DS5 are much better.
I think the DS5 is a fabulous looking thing, so, so much more interesting to look at than all the 'me too' Germans. I applaud anyone brave enough to buy one, as I don't think I would ever buy one myself due to concerns over build quality, reliability and customer service.
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Not strictly true regarding the ride. They certainly went through a phase of trying to make their cars ride like they were German, i.e, rock hard. But the recently retired C3 Picasso always had a lovely supple loping ride. The C4 cactus continues in very much the same way, as does the new C3, and soon to be released C3 aircross.
The DS models seem to be a mixed bag in this respect, with the DS4 and DS5 reputedly both having a very harsh ride, though going by what I have read in the motoring press, the facelifted versions (with the citroen 'chevrons' nowhere to be seen) of the DS5 are much better.
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Citroen seem to get a lot of negative comments, is this warranted? I have never owned one but always thought they had individuality.
I've owned multiple Citroëns over the years:
CX 2.4 Safari and a CX Turbo 2 (biggest automotive regret ever (selling it)) - totally reliable – only fault was terrible ventilation - the most comfortable car I've ever driven.
GS - points would close up causing misfire (no conensor fault) – but never stranded.
BX 1.4 – Nothing went wrong.
Xantia 1.8 – Totally reliable.
XM Mk2 2.016v – Nothing went wrong at all – fantastic car – wish I still had it.
C5 V6 – One dodgy coil stick causing a misfire (fixed quickly with aftermarket one) the only fault.
So I’ve never actually been let down or stranded by a Citroën despite probably covering well over half a million miles in Citroëns, car’s I’ve experienced breakdowns in: Range Rover (original – my P38 was excellent), Audi 100 (brake failure and transmission failure), SAAB 900 Turbo (fuel injection fault), BMW 635i (electrical issue), BMW 730i (electrical issue), Honda CR/V (total DMF failure), Triumph Dolomite Sprint (water pump). Hillman Imp (Ditto), Nissan Primera (con-rod failure), VW Golf GTi (clutch exploded (my fault due to “GP” starts with 4 adults in the car!))
There may have been others - I can’t recollect now, but you get the point – Citroen does not automatically mean unreliability – even in the days when they were vastly more complicated than other cars on the road they could still be reliable.
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I've owned multiple Citroëns over the years:
CX 2.4 Safari and a CX Turbo 2 (biggest automotive regret ever (selling it)) - totally reliable – only fault was terrible ventilation - the most comfortable car I've ever driven.
GS - points would close up causing misfire (no conensor fault) – but never stranded.
BX 1.4 – Nothing went wrong.
Xantia 1.8 – Totally reliable.
XM Mk2 2.016v – Nothing went wrong at all – fantastic car – wish I still had it.
C5 V6 – One dodgy coil stick causing a misfire (fixed quickly with aftermarket one) the only fault.
So I’ve never actually been let down or stranded by a Citroën despite probably covering well over half a million miles in Citroëns, car’s I’ve experienced breakdowns in: Range Rover (original – my P38 was excellent), Audi 100 (brake failure and transmission failure), SAAB 900 Turbo (fuel injection fault), BMW 635i (electrical issue), BMW 730i (electrical issue), Honda CR/V (total DMF failure), Triumph Dolomite Sprint (water pump). Hillman Imp (Ditto), Nissan Primera (con-rod failure), VW Golf GTi (clutch exploded (my fault due to “GP” starts with 4 adults in the car!))
There may have been others - I can’t recollect now, but you get the point – Citroen does not automatically mean unreliability – even in the days when they were vastly more complicated than other cars on the road they could still be reliable.
Wow, that's a good spread of assorted cars cars over your lifetime SteveLee!
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Wow, that's a good spread of assorted cars cars over your lifetime SteveLee!
That's just a subset - there's another 15-20 I reckon! Should spend an hour and jot 'em all down one day!
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The way WBAC works £3600 is about right for a car retailing at £5000-5500.
Think about it: WBAC are wholly owned by BCA (British Car Auctions). So, the car will obviously go to auction.
Assuming WBAC want to make a small profit on it after transport costs, overheads, auction costs etc. even if they get £4000 on the block for it they'll struggle to clear £200. That £4000 car then has fees on top for the buyer, plus no doubt delivery etc, so will end up £4300 or so by the time it is sitting in a dealer's in yard. There is then the risk it will need faults fixing, need valeting, probably some smart repairs, plus advertising, storage, VAT margin, maybe a warranty etc. so it really needs to be at £5500 to clear £600 or so out of it and the seller still has the gamble it is a relatively leggy Vauxhall which might come back with an issue.
I think some people are unrealistic about the real costs of marketing, prepping, supporting, storing, transporting and financing used cars.
I said in reply to a post a while back that i wtnessed a lady crying when she was told how much she would get in PX for her 1 year old MG GS. £18000 something new..
If a particular vehicle is hard to shift/liable to "issues", the trade isn't entirely daft... and i would not expect them to be either.
Edited by oldroverboy. on 02/01/2018 at 19:23
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just to throw it out there,
for £3000 , you could get 10 peugeot 106s
eg
www.gumtree.com/search?featured_filter=false&v...1
Cheers
Liam
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Any thoughts on the Nissan note?
The first gen cars were well made, practical and good value but the second gen cars don’t seem anything like as robust. Remember Nissan is owned by Renault and essentially their entire range is based on Renault running gear, suspension and electronics. The last Note did still use a Nissan designed 1.2 3cyl petrol motor but otherwise quality took a dive. They’re cheap used but for good reason, customers are generally not that happy with them.
Nissan is not owned by Renault. Renault own 43% of Nissan and they share technology just like most makers do.
Wife has got a 2015 Note and is very happy with it. It was cheap to buy new with the huge £4000 discount from the local dealer (brokers were no cheaper) so if its cheap 2nd hand it does not matter. The 1.2 DIG-S has sufficient power and an engine sound that is different with real character. MPG is about 48 over the 2 1/2 years we have had it.
My only complaint about the car relates to the moderators on the Note Forum. They hate the Mk 2 Note and will not permit happy owners to say so. I joined the Forum, said I was happy and was banned. The reason given was I would upset unhappy owners. Another member was banned the same week for the same reason. The mods now call people who buy Mk 2 Notes fools for wasting their money and advise they buy excellent cars such as the Vauxhall Mokka. The forum will die and justifiably so. If you want to know about the car that is the last place to look.
IMHO the car is far better than the Jazz my dad owned which was noisy, rode badly and had uncomfortable seats. It never broke but who wants an unpleasant but reliable car. The Note has never broken and is nice to drive and be in.
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Any thoughts on the Nissan note?
The first gen cars were well made, practical and good value but the second gen cars don’t seem anything like as robust. Remember Nissan is owned by Renault and essentially their entire range is based on Renault running gear, suspension and electronics. The last Note did still use a Nissan designed 1.2 3cyl petrol motor but otherwise quality took a dive. They’re cheap used but for good reason, customers are generally not that happy with them.
Nissan is not owned by Renault. Renault own 43% of Nissan and they share technology just like most makers do.
Wife has got a 2015 Note and is very happy with it. It was cheap to buy new with the huge £4000 discount from the local dealer (brokers were no cheaper) so if its cheap 2nd hand it does not matter. The 1.2 DIG-S has sufficient power and an engine sound that is different with real character. MPG is about 48 over the 2 1/2 years we have had it.
My only complaint about the car relates to the moderators on the Note Forum. They hate the Mk 2 Note and will not permit happy owners to say so. I joined the Forum, said I was happy and was banned. The reason given was I would upset unhappy owners. Another member was banned the same week for the same reason. The mods now call people who buy Mk 2 Notes fools for wasting their money and advise they buy excellent cars such as the Vauxhall Mokka. The forum will die and justifiably so. If you want to know about the car that is the last place to look.
IMHO the car is far better than the Jazz my dad owned which was noisy, rode badly and had uncomfortable seats. It never broke but who wants an unpleasant but reliable car. The Note has never broken and is nice to drive and be in.
Renault holds a 43.4% stake in Nissan, while Nissan owns 15% of non voting Renault shares. Renault are the dominant partner and effectively own the firm. They provide the bulk of financing and the majority of Nissan’s European products are based on Renault technology and architecture. They may describe it as a partnership but in reality the French firm own a controlling share of the joint firm as by far the largest share holder.
As for the second gen Note well I don’t think it’s a bad wee car to drive but it’s not as well built or proving as robust as the origional. I’ll agree that it’s a better drive than a Mk II Jazz which is probably the least enjoyable supermini to drive in recent years, it genuinely is no joy to pilot at all which is odd for a small fwd hatch. But cost cutting compared to the previous gen cars is very obvious.
Edited by SLO76 on 07/01/2018 at 08:34
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<< IMHO the car is far better than the Jazz my dad owned which was noisy, rode badly and had uncomfortable seats. It never broke but who wants an unpleasant but reliable car. The Note has never broken and is nice to drive and be in. >>
It takes all sorts. My daughter had a Note (first gen I guess) but had to give it up because she found the seats impossible. People come in all shapes and sizes - she is small with short legs. The car seemed reliable enough.
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<< IMHO the car is far better than the Jazz my dad owned which was noisy, rode badly and had uncomfortable seats. It never broke but who wants an unpleasant but reliable car. The Note has never broken and is nice to drive and be in. >>
It takes all sorts. My daughter had a Note (first gen I guess) but had to give it up because she found the seats impossible. People come in all shapes and sizes - she is small with short legs. The car seemed reliable enough.
I think Skidpan's car is a mk2 Note though. As SLO says though, its the overall reliability of all Notes that should be taken into account, not just one person's good experience with it, especially as the majority of all cars are generally reliable, its just a matter of degree.
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I think Skidpan's car is a mk2 Note though.
Ours is indeed a Mk2 Note.
Back in 2007 dad decided the Jazz had to go. He had never been happy with the ride (after an Almera) but the final straw that required replacement was mothers worsening mobility. Sh simply could not get out of the passenger seat, the base slope rearwards and trapped her, no way to adjust it.
At the time the Mk1 Note was the darling of mobility so looked like a good bet to replace the Jazz. But she could not get into one. The distance from the edge of the cill to the seat was so big she was in danger of falling before she was in. Proves no cars suits all users.
They bought a Micra. Perfect for mother, good ride, pretty refined and very nice seats for a supermini. They used it for 7 years then we had it but it was simply a bit small for us after the Ceed.
Initially we ignored the Mk2 Note (and the current Micra) when looking for a replacement simply because the Micra was universally described as rubbish and the poor experience with the Mk1 Note. But after finding no suitable aternatives (Kia Venga was the best but too high for mother) we went for a look and it seemed perfect to us. Took mother and she got in and out with no difficulty (her mobility was far worse than it was in 2007).
WhatCar still list the Note as a 4 blob car saying its "An extremely practical small MPV thats classy inside, cheap to run and good to drive". Honest John was complementary in the road test saying "Practical design and spacious cabin. Reasonably comfortable. Clear instrument binnacle. Some clever technology on upper grades"
Does that sound like the dog some people claim?
Problem is what to get in June this year when we hope to replace it. Not because its rubbish or unreliable, simply because we can afford a new motor. And the Note will stay in the family.
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My son has a Note on a 3 year lease from Ling that works out at £31 a week. Nice car IMO.
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My experiences of a Nissan Note are very positive. As a family with a (then) small child, we took an '08 plate 1.4 Accenta from ~40k miles up to ~100k in about 4 years of ownership.
Nothing legitimately went wrong (a supposed bearing failure at a main dealer during a routine service was the only ‘fault’) and other than servicing it cost us nothing. Excellent on all season tyres and got about 42mpg on it. Only thing to bear in mind is it was without a doubt one of the dullest cars I have ever driven. Seriously dull. Probably fine for the 4-mile pootling it will be doing though, and the upright (not raised) driving position suits many people well.
In my experience Citroen seem as good as anyone else does out there and a lot better than some other marques. Currently I am with Suzuki and rate that very highly with my wife doing 20,000 miles a year in her Peugeot 2008, which has also been flawless
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