. I'd avoid any automated manuals or CVT boxes like the Honda Jazz which are noisy and can be troublesome.

Post 2011 Jazz CVT have a torque convertor and are quiet. Lovely to drive around town. Not so good if you frequently travel long journeys..

The Jazz has never used a torque converter box but the CVT box was updated to the same system used by the hybrid model in late 2010.

The 2011 facelift models and onwards have torque converters - the specifciation sheets for mine state so. The slurred gearchanges confirm it.

Edited by SLO76 on 16/10/2016 at 01:54

Honda do some interesting things at times, they have even put a torque converter on a Dual Clutch Transmission in the states on their premium Acura brand. Not sure if we get the equivalent Honda badged product here or not but interesting nonetheless. articles.sae.org/13432/

Extract: "The 2015 Acura TLX replaces the TSX and the TL, and offers a ZF-sourced 9-speed automatic transmission (the 9HP) with the optional 3.5-L V6. The base car pairs its 2.4-L I4 with a Honda-developed 8-speed DCT, which features the novel twist of a torque converter in place of a clutch. Honda claims it's the first production DCT so equipped.

This gives the DCT-equipped TLX the smooth low-speed driving dynamics of a traditional automatic transmission with a gearbox that is more efficient, according to Chris Kipfer, the Assistant Large Project Manager responsible for drivetrain.

Honda's product planners and engineers interviewed drivers of cars equipped with DCTs, and “the main thing they talked about was how unrefined and unsporty they are,” said Kipfer. “The main issue is the low-speed launch.”

Incorporating a torque converter into the unit not only provides internal NVH benefits that help deliver the low-speed refinement most drivers seek, but its inherent torque multiplication boosts off-the-line acceleration. In fact, the TLX 2.4-L car accelerates to 60 mph 1.5 s faster than the TSX did, thanks in large part to the use of a torque converter, he noted.

The torque converter, supplied by Cardington Yutaka Technologies, Inc., is more expensive than a clutch for the same application. But DCT clutches demand use of a more costly dual-mass flywheel, so the torque converter solution is no more expensive overall, according to Kipfer.

The 8-speed’s additional ratios permit a much wider ratio spread than the old 5-speed automatic, contributing to the speedier acceleration and improved fuel efficiency. Where the old 5-speed’s lowest gear was an 11.768:1 ratio, the TLX’s DCT launches with a 14.084:1 ratio.

The DCT’s first seven ratios are all lower than those in the old automatic, while the eighth gear’s 2.212:1 ratio is higher than the 2.512:1 of the old one, for better highway fuel efficiency. This wider ratio spread contributes, along with changes to the engine, to the TLX’s four-cylinder scoring 2 mpg higher on the EPA’s city driving cycle and 4 mpg higher on the highway test.

The engineering team’s biggest task in developing the DCT was to optimize the transmission’s ability to change gears quickly, without hammering the car’s occupants with hard upshifts, said Kipfer.

“It was getting the feeling just right and making sure they are quick shifts without shocks,” he explained.

Naturally, the DCT has 33% quicker shifts than Honda's 5-speed automatic, but even when compared to the modern ZF 9-speed automatic used for the V6 TLX, the DCT retains an advantage in upshift speed, Kipfer said. Downshift speed for the two transmissions is very close, with a small advantage for the DCT."