What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Wm1313
I want to buy myself a 4x4. I have between 2k to 3k to spend. Ideally it wants to be comfy with lots of nice extras and fairly nippy with a good top end speed. I don't do huge miles but have a long drive with a lot of motorways when I travel back to visit friends, family. I only need it for light off-roading just something I can throw my shooting equipment and spaniel in the back of so good boot space is needed too. Preferably a diesel although not bothered wether it's manual or auto. What are your suggestions?
What 4x4 to buy. Help! - RT
I want to buy myself a 4x4. I have between 2k to 3k to spend. Ideally it wants to be comfy with lots of nice extras and fairly nippy with a good top end speed. I don't do huge miles but have a long drive with a lot of motorways when I travel back to visit friends, family. I only need it for light off-roading just something I can throw my shooting equipment and spaniel in the back of so good boot space is needed too. Preferably a diesel although not bothered wether it's manual or auto. What are your suggestions?

At that price point, it'll be 7+ years old and 100,000+ miles - my choice would be a 2006 Subaru Forester as you'll need reliability at that age.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - madf

What you don't want is unreliability or high spares costs.

Which rules out LandRovers and Mitsubishis.And Vauxhalls.And BMWs And Mercedes.

Which leaves Suzuki, Toyota, Honda,Nissan,Subaru,..

If you want a Subaru, check the rear subframe for rust.(Prior MOTs help)

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Listeria

From a previous post:

The first generation Touraeg was a very good vehicle certainly better than the Shogun, I put 140,000 Ks on one in just under 4 years, other than minor items brake pads etc all taken care of at routine servicing. The second generation was a dog (the accountants had been at it).

Have had 3 landcruisers no issues, they are getting very expensive but for reliability you can trust in areas with poor roads. Put over 150,000 Ks on each, bullet proof.

The Audi Q7 I test drove was of a par with the second generation Touraeg.

The only other big 4 x 4 I have been impressed with (drove from Stockholm to Bratislava) is the Porsche Cayenne, if I could finance the ownership costs I would have one tomorrow.

Remember the running costs of a 4 x 4 are roughly 250% above a similarly engined front wheel drive. They are mostly larger, if you cant afford 18 Mpg even for a mid size vehicle dont go that route.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Engineer Andy

From a previous post:

The first generation Touraeg was a very good vehicle certainly better than the Shogun, I put 140,000 Ks on one in just under 4 years, other than minor items brake pads etc all taken care of at routine servicing. The second generation was a dog (the accountants had been at it).

Have had 3 landcruisers no issues, they are getting very expensive but for reliability you can trust in areas with poor roads. Put over 150,000 Ks on each, bullet proof.

The Audi Q7 I test drove was of a par with the second generation Touraeg.

The only other big 4 x 4 I have been impressed with (drove from Stockholm to Bratislava) is the Porsche Cayenne, if I could finance the ownership costs I would have one tomorrow.

Remember the running costs of a 4 x 4 are roughly 250% above a similarly engined front wheel drive. They are mostly larger, if you cant afford 18 Mpg even for a mid size vehicle dont go that route.

Love to know how you can pick up one that's not ready for the scrap heap for £2-£3k....

I would say the OP's asking for the impossible.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - John F

...remember the running costs of a 4 x 4 are roughly 250% above a similarly engined front wheel drive. They are mostly larger, if you cant afford 18 Mpg even for a mid size vehicle dont go that route.

This cannot be so. How on earth do you arrive at such a figure? Which 'mid size' gas guzzler does only 18mpg in normal use?

The fuel consumption and tyre wear of 4x4 Audis are very little more than the same engined front drive versions and the other servicing costs are broadly similar. The A6 and larger A8 4x4s can do around 30mpg depending on engine type. The V8 and even W12 quattros will beat 18mpg.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - RT

...remember the running costs of a 4 x 4 are roughly 250% above a similarly engined front wheel drive. They are mostly larger, if you cant afford 18 Mpg even for a mid size vehicle dont go that route.

This cannot be so. How on earth do you arrive at such a figure? Which 'mid size' gas guzzler does only 18mpg in normal use?

The fuel consumption and tyre wear of 4x4 Audis are very little more than the same engined front drive versions and the other servicing costs are broadly similar. The A6 and larger A8 4x4s can do around 30mpg depending on engine type. The V8 and even W12 quattros will beat 18mpg.

I have a mid-size gas guzzler, a 3.0 TDI VW Touareg, which is averaging 30mpg despite it's full-time 4wd.

I'd love to be able to divide my running costs by 250% but that % figure it utterly ridiculous.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - SLO76
Tight budget to be buying a 4x4 really. I'd probably forget diesels or anything too complex and gadget laden, it's likely to have covered huge mileage and be a costly white elephant.

I'd stick to Japanese. Honda CRV 2.0 petrol which isn't exactly thrifty (30-32mpg) but as good as most heavier diesel 4wd's such as the Discovery and Shogun and far less likely to go wrong. A 2.2 diesel at this money is likely to be worn out with mega miles.

Subaru Forester is a nice thing to drive with the turbo models genuinely quick and entertaining but although they're very tough they're also hugely costly for parts. No chance of getting a decent 2.0 diesel at this price.

I'd probably leave the Nissan Xtrail, they're not as reliable as the others, with loads of issues on the 2.2 diesel and the later Renault 2.0 I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Petrol models suffer from stretched timing chains but a well looked after petrol might be worth a look.

Vitara is rotten to drive but cheap and the petrol cars are hardy. 1.9 diesel is a Fiat unit that's trouble at higher mileages so I'd leave that.

As for anything bigger it'll undoubtedly be trouble unless you're willing to spend more money. These are £30k plus new and anything hovering around 2k is near to done.
What 4x4 to buy. Help! - RaineMan

If your annual mileage is fairly low the last thing you want is an ageing diesel. I agree with the comment about going Japanese but from friend's experiences my order would be Rav4, Suburu, CRV and X-Tail. My cousin in Oz is a fan of older Nissan Patrols but although massively reliable they are very, very thirsty...

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - SLO76
Oh aye... I forgot the old RAV 4. Good wee cars, tough and pretty pleasant to drive for a 4wd.
What 4x4 to buy. Help! - RaineMan

In the early noughties my neighbours got anew RAV 4 and it was utterly reliable. At the same time colleagues at work had a 4x4 phase and brought a s/h Patrol (about 7 years old, a new Discovery and a new Jeep Cherokee. The Nissan was used for some serious off-roading and again was totally reliable. The Discovery and Jeep were cossetted road cars but seemed to spend inordinate amounts of time in the garage!

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - NARU

I'd shortlist ...

Toyota Rav4

Mitsubishi Shogun

Subaru estates

Suzuki vitara

Toyota Hilux surf 3.0

But at this price point, you'll be looking at quite a few before you find a good one.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - John F

Audi A8 sports quattro. Always a few available for less than £3K on a well known site. A much underappreciated (no-one's mentioned it on this thread so far) beautifully engineered all aluminium car.

Dog might prefer A6 avant quattro. They are well galvanised, so corrosion shouldn't be a problem.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Engineer Andy
I want to buy myself a 4x4. I have between 2k to 3k to spend. Ideally it wants to be comfy with lots of nice extras and fairly nippy with a good top end speed. I don't do huge miles but have a long drive with a lot of motorways when I travel back to visit friends, family. I only need it for light off-roading just something I can throw my shooting equipment and spaniel in the back of so good boot space is needed too. Preferably a diesel although not bothered wether it's manual or auto. What are your suggestions?

I think you are asking the impossible for the cost - I would suggest you buy a normal, inexpense, small petrol-engined 2WD car for every day use (with your budget you obviously can't afford the luxuries you crave, especially as many are electronic and prone to failure, even in the most reliable makes from the Far East [its the age of car that will make it less reliable - you're looking at cars well over 10yo]) and hire a suitable, not-too-dear 4WD when you actually need to go off-road.

Make sure any 4x4 you get (hire or buy) has tyres suitable for going off road - too many people buy 4x4s like Audis, BMWs, etc which are useless off road/in snow when shod with 19-20in 'rubber band' low profile tyres. A spare set of winter/off road tyres and wheels for such cars would take up half or more of your budget alone.

The words 'cutting' and 'cloth' spring to mind.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - SLO76
Does remind me of a good friend I tried in vain to talk out of buying a large 4wd on a similar tight budget. He bought a 98,000 mile Mitsubishi L200 Warrior Crew Cab pickup 2.5 diesel which is probably one of the more straightforward and robust larger 4wd you could buy.

It was (as I had advised) a never ending money pit. Failed turbo, injectors, suspension components. Tyres were a fortune and it couldn't break 25mpg. But he stubbornly stuck with it hoping that the latest big bill would be the last... He now drives a Gold 1.9 TDI I got for him.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Metropolis.

About half a dozen years ago I bought an early Discovery 2 diesel for about 3 grand. Have had no major issues with it, just routine servicing and the odd minor issue that crops up on a car this age. Brilliant off road, real workhorse. Many people dont trust the td5 because it's got an ECU, but aside from oil going into the wiring harness which is preventable and an easy fix, (never happened on mine) they're bomb proof. If you want really cheap motoring, go for a Discovery 1 200tdi. 300tdi is also very robust. Just be sure to check underneath for rust. They'll all have over 100k on the clock but it's no major issue provided they've been serviced. Parts are dirt cheap on older land rovers when needed. For all those suggesting buying Japanese, have any of them had experience on farms with them? They seem to do well on the road, but take them into a farming environment and they just don't hold up as well as the older land rovers do. Just make sure you avoid the v8 models, even on LPG, utterly hopeless reliability wise sadly.

Edit: Hiring a 4x4 for off road is sheer madness, you'll be billed through the roof!

Edited by PCharlton on 18/09/2016 at 14:27

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Metropolis.

Although lacking in top end speed it will sit at 80 very happily.. disco 2 that is. If you want more kit pick ES spec. But at this budget i'd settle for a car that has good history.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Engineer Andy

About half a dozen years ago I bought an early Discovery 2 diesel for about 3 grand. Have had no major issues with it, just routine servicing and the odd minor issue that crops up on a car this age. Brilliant off road, real workhorse. Many people dont trust the td5 because it's got an ECU, but aside from oil going into the wiring harness which is preventable and an easy fix, (never happened on mine) they're bomb proof. If you want really cheap motoring, go for a Discovery 1 200tdi. 300tdi is also very robust. Just be sure to check underneath for rust. They'll all have over 100k on the clock but it's no major issue provided they've been serviced. Parts are dirt cheap on older land rovers when needed. For all those suggesting buying Japanese, have any of them had experience on farms with them? They seem to do well on the road, but take them into a farming environment and they just don't hold up as well as the older land rovers do. Just make sure you avoid the v8 models, even on LPG, utterly hopeless reliability wise sadly.

Edit: Hiring a 4x4 for off road is sheer madness, you'll be billed through the roof!

Maybe, but why buy a VERY expensive to buy and run 4x4 for it being used off road half a dozen times a year? There MUST be a better way, surely? People apparently hire many 4x4s in countries that need them, so why can't we? I don't mean a German 4x4, BTW, just a basic trim, proper off-roader that Mr and Mrs. Farmer would use. If you've only got a budget of three grand, you can't expect luxury, off and on-road ability/speed and reliability. How exactly is the OP going to pay for fuel, tax, servicing and insurance when they've only got £3k to spare to buy it? Why not spend a bit more on a better, more basic reliable car and less on running it. It might mean saving up, but you can buy a Dacia 4x4 for less than £15k these days, and its not THAT bad either.

As I said, the OP will have to cut their cloth to the circumstances - what about borrowing a 4x4 car for a day (if possible under a special insurance arrangement) from a friend etc? Maybe the OP's friends can visit him instead, or give him a lift from the local station/bus stop (presumably if they live in a rural area, they have an appropriate car). Too often people want their cake and to eat it. Geez!

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Metropolis.

Thing is you'd be liable for every little scratch, dent and tear. Hiring a 4x4 here is normally only premium options, whilst nice they cost a bomb. The idea of being able to hire cheap 4x4s is a good idea though if it works abroad, just never come across that option in the UK.

I think if the OP were to ditch high top end power and lots of gadgets, then he can find a perfectly good used 4x4 to purchase and run at minimal cost. I dare say he has probably factored in other costs on top of the 3k figure. Another option would be a tune up of some kind if the old diesel lump he ends up buying doesn't have enough oomph for his tastes.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - NARU

Thing is you'd be liable for every little scratch, dent and tear. Hiring a 4x4 here is normally only premium options, whilst nice they cost a bomb. The idea of being able to hire cheap 4x4s is a good idea though if it works abroad, just never come across that option in the UK.

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The people to try are SHB.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - gordonbennet

The best bang for your buck in full sized 4x4's would be Kia Sorento and Hyundai Terracan, but be aware there is little specialist indy back up nor parts back up that Landrover have (and need, it must be said), so problems would mean breakers or new dealer parts.

I too would be looking at a Subaru, you won't find a Diesel in that budget unless its one of the many where the engine is knocking or worse, and i wouldn't recommend one if you did find it...but there is always the LPG route for better than Diesel economy.

£3k in Landcruiser world you are almost into breakers, they just don't go that cheap unless in poor state, you might find a Patrol or Trooper a bit cheaper but don't expect more than 25mpg with any old school big 4x4, and you really will have to either get your hands dirty or be prepared to pay someone to keep a vehicle getting on for 15 years old, with 15 salty winters behind it, fettled.

Proper 4x4 tyres, not Chelsea tractor rings, are actualy superb value, set on my Landcruiser cost £350odd, came with 12mm tread depth new which shows no sign of wear at all, they reckon to cover over 50k miles with little bother, last set started to crack through age with little wear.

Edited by gordonbennet on 18/09/2016 at 16:18

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Metropolis.

My land rover gets 30mpg+ on the motorway. Mid 20s around town. Terracan is not a bad shout, especially in auto form.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - Avant

I agree with most people above. At the top of your list put the Toyota RAV-4 or one of the Subarus - Legacy, Outback or Forester.

You don't need, and shouldn't buy, a diesel.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - John F

Did the above respondents who suggest all these heavy 4x4 semi-agricultural vehicles actually ponder the OP's requirements? They were

'comfy....nippy....good top end speed...lot of motorways......(only)light offroading'.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - gordonbennet

Did the above respondents who suggest all these heavy 4x4 semi-agricultural vehicles actually ponder the OP's requirements? They were

'comfy....nippy....good top end speed...lot of motorways......(only)light offroading'.

Yes, we did, he didn't mention fuel economy being a problem.

Most of the agri based 4x4's can cover the ground at licence losing speeds if your wallet can keep up with the fuel pump.

The OP's problem is he wants Diesel and toys at £3k tops, so he's going to have to go unfashionable or unwanted by the mainstream, which means either the wrong (in some eyes) make or a tank or both.

What 4x4 to buy. Help! - madf

The simplest thing to do is search on Autotrader for a 4x4 under 100k miles up to £2.5k within 50 miles.. and see what you get.Then ask us for our opinions..

Lots of KIA Sportage 4x4 petrol under that search.