VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - groaver

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/volkswagen-emissions-sca.../

The more technically-minded members can tell us if this is something to fear.

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - oldroverboy.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/volkswagen-emissions-sca.../

The more technically-minded members can tell us if this is something to fear.

For answers See DPF diesels...

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - gordonbennet

Thanks for the reminder, must order some more Bilt Hamber rustproofing products so can keep my donkeys years old motors (thankfully designed long before this tripe was dreamed up) going for many years to come.

Depends on how the filters work and how long they last in any given use, if anything like DPF's then i'd avoid the things like the plague, an easily replaceable filter...it won't be VW don't do cheaply or simply replaceable...could be ok.

Edited by gordonbennet on 03/08/2016 at 21:05

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - RT

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/volkswagen-emissions-sca.../

The more technically-minded members can tell us if this is something to fear.

Yes - direct injection engines create particulates which are a health hazard (causing cancer) - diesels have long been direct injection hence their need for particulate filters from EU5 onwards - many of the new turbo-petrol engines are also direct injection, creating particulates needing a filter.

VW are just getting ahead before particulate filters are mandated for ALL direct injection petrol engines.

Edited by RT on 03/08/2016 at 21:07

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - Ian D
If the petrol car GPFs need long journeys to regenerate (like DPFs) then for those of us doing lots of short journeys will rule out VWs totally, rather than just ruling out diesels.
VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - groaver
If the petrol car GPFs need long journeys to regenerate (like DPFs) then for those of us doing lots of short journeys will rule out VWs totally, rather than just ruling out diesels.

This is my worry too.

I hope lessons have been learned from the DPFs and that they can function without the regeneration need of the diesel versions.

{Higher exhaust gas temperatures mean that GPFs should be able to regenerate passively most of the time, which greatly simplifies the task of managing them}

www.lubricants.total.com/news/new-gasoline-particu...l

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - daveyjp
I ruled out any VAG products a few years ago! This won't entice me back.
VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - Oli rag

Why are direct injection petrol engines a particular problem?

I'd have thought this would give a more complete combustion of the fuel compared to a non direct injection types.

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - brum

Why are direct injection petrol engines a particular problem?

I'd have thought this would give a more complete combustion of the fuel compared to a non direct injection types.

My guess is 2 reasons

1. DI petrols run at lower combustion chamber temperatures and lower chance of pm being burnt off.

2. The air/fuel mixture is less homogeneous than IDI. The injectors spray in a 6 or 8 hole pattern and the mixture is rich inside that pattern and weak elsewhere. Therefore more chance of uneven combustion temperatures in the chamber. In fact, VAG use this to obtain a stratified mixture in the chamber, I'm pretty sure they still do this to obtain better economy, they've just stopped promoting it in marketing literature since the early stratified injection (FSI) engines got a bad reputation for head/valve problems.

Edited by brum on 05/08/2016 at 15:30

VW - Volkswagen Group introduces particulate filters fo - skidpan

Its not really hot off the press news, its been known for some time that DI petrols would be fitted with particle filters in the future but it looks like VW are as said above getting ahead of the game in an attempt to get some good PR for a change.

I read up on petrol particle filters when they were first mentioned and it appears they are very different form diesel particle filters. Since petrol exhaust gasses are much hotter than a diesel they regenerate constantly rather than needing specific regens like a diesel. They are also much simpler and cheaper than DPF's so I don't think those of us who have accepted we are in the 21st Century have anything to worry about.

Remember the doom mongers who said the petrol was dead when cats became law. In the past 25 years I have only known one friend/aquaintance/work colleague need to replace and that was on a 15 year old 60,000 mile one old lady owner Corsa he bought after passing his test.

I intend to carry on driving modern cars as my main form of transport so adopting new technology is something I accept and applaud especially when it has benefits that go futher than the actual vehicle owner.