M3 Road Improvements - pullgees

The never ending roadworks from the M25/M3 all the way to Fleet services which has a speed limit of 50MPH. This improvement began years ago, there isn't a single section that's completed, it just gets longer and longer, stretching now for about 15miles with isolated dots of workmen here and there. The M3 itself was built in a shorter time, it's a scandal.

Driving along this stretch many times over many years I'm always puzzled at why so many mnay drivers are overtaking me at around 60MPH. Do they know something I dont? Are the average speed cameras working? Surely so many drivers cannot be unaware or the speed controls? I don't get it.

M3 Road Improvements - Bromptonaut

Much same on M1 from J15A to J20. Seems that funding is such that rather than do (a) replacement of M6>M1 viaduct and (b) remodelling of the M1/M6>A14 interchange together they do (a) then having just tidied up the landscaping excavate it again in less than a year to facilitate (b).

Same with (c) installing concrete central barrier and (d) converting J15A to J19 to smart motorway. Work on (c) started in 2014 and just finished in 2015 as (d) started.

TBH the smoothing effect of the 50 limit is such that it's real world impact on journey time is negligible (unless there's an accident in the narrow lanes/no hard shoulder section). Similarly it takes no great imagination to realise that keeping 20 miles at 50 is better for ALL than constantly shifting short limits around places work is taking place right now.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 23/05/2016 at 20:51

M3 Road Improvements - oldroverboy.

Driving along this stretch many times over many years I'm always puzzled at why so many mnay drivers are overtaking me at around 60MPH. Do they know something I dont? Are the average speed cameras working? Surely so many drivers cannot be unaware or the speed controls? I don't get it.

Light hearted reply...

Drive along at a true 60mph on the entire stretch, wait 3 weeks....

If you are doing 50 on your speedo, you are doing a bit less, and those you think are doing 60 are probably not doing enough to trigger a ticket, but who knows.

you can check somewhere how many tickets are issued.. someone will post a link.

And yes the roadworks are a pain!

M3 Road Improvements - RichT54

According to Highways England, the works started in November 2014. I remember them saying initially that they would be completed at the end of 2016. However that has now been revised to "by the end of June 2017". What is the betting that miss that deadline as well?

Meanwhile the existing road surface is taking a real pounding, causing a lot of potholes, which keep reappearing as fast as they patch them.

I have also wondered about the number of vehicles that significantly exceed the 50 mph limit. Noticeable among them are airport minibuses, who I assume use the motorway regularly. I also wonder how they get away with it.

M3 Road Improvements - pullgees

According to Highways England, the works started in November 2014.

They could not have included the work on the M25/M3 junction which began about 10 years ago when the average cameras went up ever since then the road works have steadily got longer.

M3 Road Improvements - Wukl

I found this PDF on-line; a bit old but gives a scale.

When you consider the number of vehciles that would have been up and down the motorway in that time, it's a very small number. Of course certain cars (Audis, to pluck a name from the air) have invisibilty cloaks I'm sure, so won't feature in these figures.

M3 Road Improvements - pullgees

I found this PDF on-line; a bit old but gives a scale.

When you consider the number of vehciles that would have been up and down the motorway in that time, it's a very small number. Of course certain cars (Audis, to pluck a name from the air) have invisibilty cloaks I'm sure, so won't feature in these figures.

I agree it is odd.

M3 Road Improvements - Smileyman

The 50mph speed restriction on the M3 is a joke, it's like a long term temporary feature. Very frustrating section of road, if possible I will avoid travelling on it, recently I went to Gloucester and used the M25 to the M4 instead of M3 and going around Bracknell.

And it's about time SPECS cameras automatically adjusted to allow higher speeds at off peak times eg overnight.

M3 Road Improvements - Snakey

Its similar along the A1 Western Bypass 'improvements' - the roadworks there have average cameras and speed limits from 20-40mph. Most of the time theres no workforce on site but the cameras work 24 hours a day.

I'm sure the average speed cameras will remain in place for quite some time after the roadworks are finished.

M3 Road Improvements - pullgees

They should be made to complete one section at a time, not extend the works for 15 miles. It taking so long that new ideas and improvements of the improvements are now happening. Now it's smart motorway controls and before they finished that some new tech will come along like guidance sytems for driverless cars and so on . As I said previously the M3 was built in a shorter time. Personally I thought there was nothing wrong with the M3 to start with, compared to some it is relatively quiet and one of the hassel free motorways.

M3 Road Improvements - Bromptonaut

They should be made to complete one section at a time, not extend the works for 15 miles.

Now there's a rub. We want lower govt spending but constant gains in efficiency to mitigate their effect. Working over stretches of 10+ miles is one of those efficiencies as the cost of constantly shuffling cones and signage is removed.

But because it causes some folks a bit of perceived inconvenience* they demand a return to waste.

*The M1 from J15A to 19 or 20 has been 50 for a couple of years - like the M3 one job moves straight into another as further funding comes availlable. For all the fact I use the A5 to avoid it I'm not convinced real world travel times are worse than in 2013.

M3 Road Improvements - ExA35Owner

My thoughts as I drive on this section (or the bits of the M6 that have recently become smart) is of the planning, logistical and engineering difficulties of managing a work site beside running lanes of traffic, where there can only be a one-way flow of work vehicles, where you have to plan which one arrives first as they can't get past each other, where there's no space to park vehicles or materials ready for use.

At least the 50 limit and average speed cameras encourage a steady flow of traffic with very few conflicts. Must be pretty scary to work beside that.

M3 Road Improvements - pullgees

They should be made to complete one section at a time, not extend the works for 15 miles.

Now there's a rub. We want lower govt spending but constant gains in efficiency to mitigate their effect. Working over stretches of 10+ miles is one of those efficiencies as the cost of constantly shuffling cones and signage is removed.

But because it causes some folks a bit of perceived inconvenience* they demand a return to waste.

*The M1 from J15A to 19 or 20 has been 50 for a couple of years - like the M3 one job moves straight into another as further funding comes availlable. For all the fact I use the A5 to avoid it I'm not convinced real world travel times are worse than in 2013.

But there's no completion anywhere and that is ineffecient Letting the contractors to have the freedom of a 15 mile road work - and maybe further soon - encourages inefficiency, not to mention the cost to business. This progression has been going on not for two years but about ten years. It is nothing short of madness.

M3 Road Improvements - Bromptonaut

But there's no completion anywhere and that is ineffecient Letting the contractors to have the freedom of a 15 mile road work - and maybe further soon - encourages inefficiency, not to mention the cost to business. This progression has been going on not for two years but about ten years. It is nothing short of madness.

How does it encourage innefficency and in who's interest wouldthat be?

There's a gradual completion along the whole work site in away that best use of ifferent kit and people.

What exactly is the 'cost of business' of 15 miles run smoothly at 50 compared to same distance at notional 70 but with frequent unpredictable slowings for bunching etc?

M3 Road Improvements - pullgees

"How does it encourage innefficency and in who's interest wouldthat be?"

It takes the urgency away from the project, creating wastefulness and an easy going culture much like a nationalized industry.

"There's a gradual completion along the whole work site in away that best use of ifferent kit and people."

Too damn gradual. I disagree, it encourages worst use.

"What exactly is the 'cost of business' of 15 miles run smoothly at 50 compared to same distance at notional 70 but with frequent unpredictable slowings for bunching etc?"

I wouldn't know exactly. What I do know it takes me longer to get to Somerset than it used to. And if there is an accident then the effect is compounded by the limited space of the coned lanes .

I wonder if you have any limit on the length of a road work.

Edited by pullgees on 26/05/2016 at 11:14

M3 Road Improvements - barney100

I go along that M3 stretch every couple of weeks and rarely see any more than a handful of workers. There seems no urgency to finish whatever they are doing..anyone know whats supposed to be being built? As for the cameras I just stick the cruise control on 50.

M3 Road Improvements - RichT54

They are converting it into a "smart motorway". The hard shoulder becomes a running lane with emergency refuges and there will be gantries carrying traffic management signals and variable speed limits.

http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/m3-junctions-2-4a/

Cost: £157.9 million

M3 Road Improvements - Avant

Let's hope that vehicles break down conveniently in the emergency refuges.

M3 Road Improvements - oldroverboy.

ditto!

M3 Road Improvements - daveyjp

Similar accusations of 'no one's working' were aimed at the HA when they did hard shoulder running work in West Yorkshire.

Local TV went to site and saw what they were actually doing. During the day the majority of the work was off the motorway in strengthening embankments and bridge supports to accommodate teh extra weight of continual running traffic, support the new gantries, laying ducting etc.

Most of the running lane work was done overnight when lanes could be closed to allow better access for workers.

M3 Road Improvements - HandCart

When they've got one gantry sign operational, they can use it to display

"Workforce in road slow"

;-)