VAG Tsi engines - scot22

I have been thinking about buying a petrol Golf 2009-2012. Many seem to have tsi engines. I have done some research and found it refers to stratified injection. Being sceptical of many new developments I would appeciate comment on whether or not it is valuable, or just something else which would be expensive to repair ?

VAG Tsi engines - slkfanboy

To be honest is a slight change and you need to be search for Timing chain issue that are know to be a issues with tsi engines.

VAG Tsi engines - scot22

Thanks. I've done that and those issues are a concern. It seems that they mainly come if its a twin charger which some are : not sure how to know difference ! Has anyone personal experience of TSI ?

VAG Tsi engines - brum

I have 2 tsi engined cars, one is a late 2011 1.2 tsi 105ps variant, the other a late 2013 1.2 tsi 86ps.

The earlier car suffers from chronic camchain rattle on cold starts. 3 years of pestering the Skoda dealer during warranty and eventually at end of year 3 they checked the tensioner position according to one of the many tpi's issued on this subject. It was just within spec by 1mm so no warranty fix!! Anyway I've come to realise that the main problem is leakdown from the top mounted filter when stood. There is a drain back arrangement for when the filter is removed to stop spillage, but this leaks when the engine is stood, emptying the filter and releasing the tensioner. On engines built after around June 2011 the top sprocket cover has a guide to stop the chain lifting too high and skipping the sprocket.

If the engine is built before jun 2011, many had defective chains fitted that stretched and eventually jumped the sprockets and trashed the engine.

Back to the earlier car, and its just suffered a no.3 ignition lead failure which took the expensive coil pack with it. Cost to repair in excess of £400. Its a common failure as the lead goes over the exhaust manifold, but Skoda don't accept "social media reports" and even if the dealer say they changed quite a few on certain models, again no action from VAG.

The newer engine has revised leads with trunking to protect the leads.

Briskoda has all the detail you need on Skoda fitted tsi engines. By all accounts the 1.4tsi twin charger fitted to the vrs is a disaster for many, drinking almost as much oil as fuel, and getting trashed when sparkplugs fails.

AFAIK the 1.8tsi also has some history of terminal chain failures.

Other than that they seem fine. I'll be looking at Kia next time round.

VAG Tsi engines - scot22

brum, you are a star. I had been thinking about a 2009 one - definitely not buying any car with TSI engine. You have saved me stress and money - I appreciate it.

Many thanks

VAG Tsi engines - Big John

I have a 2014 Skoda Superb 1.4 tsi with a later version of the EA111 cam chain engine and:-

1) Economy great - www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/720963.html

2) No DPF/SCR

3) No DMF

4) No concentric slave cylinder (external)

5) 2000 rpm @ 60mph

6) Performance OK (127 mph & 0-60 10.2)

7) Pulls from 1400 -6000 rpm

8) Very very quiet (silent at tickover)

However:-

Early ones (2009/10) had cam chain issues (tensioner and chain)

Regular oil changes essential (10k max - true of any cam chain) ensuring correct oil filter fitted correctly to avoid oil drain back

NEVER allow engine to turn backwards (If parking on a hill where you leave in gear - always ensure if you roll back slightly engine rotates in the running direction eg 1st pointing downhill, reverse pointing uphill)

I always run modern stressed petrol engines on higher octane fuel (light the blue touch paper and stand back!!)

Edited by Big John on 08/03/2016 at 22:22

VAG Tsi engines - scot22

Thanks that's very interesting. I am quite attracted to a Golf ( should be petrol with my motoring needs) The one I had been interested in was 2009 and thanks to brum I've been saved from that.

Specifically looking at the Golf has that engine improved since - if so, when. Lacking the knowledge I've since gained from the site I made a mistake with my last car and taking the time to get it right this time.

Help much appreciated.

VAG Tsi engines - slkfanboy

If you look at the car warranty direct website you will see that for what ever reason Skoda rank average for cost of repairs while VW are near the bottom. Infact the bottom of the list is mainly german cars while Japan is at the top. This is partly due to costly servicing and the good will offerings when things go wrong i.e. goodwil prevents claims.

VAG Tsi engines - coopshere
"This is partly due to costly servicing and the good will offerings when things go wrong i.e. goodwil prevents claims."

So are you saying that because Japanese manufacturers tend to give goodwill repairs they are no more reliable it's just because they have less claims recorded.

Edited by coopshere on 09/03/2016 at 14:05

VAG Tsi engines - Avant

I think there's enough evidence that Japanese cars (petrol-powered at least) are generally more reliable. More of the cost goes into engineering than into cosmetics, as you can see for example in the cheaper (but perfectly sound) plastics used in the interiors of the cars.

VAG Tsi engines - galileo

I think there's enough evidence that Japanese cars (petrol-powered at least) are generally more reliable. More of the cost goes into engineering than into cosmetics, as you can see for example in the cheaper (but perfectly sound) plastics used in the interiors of the cars.

Over 30 years ago the firm I worked for sent a number of production engineers, managers and diredtors to Japan to Toyota's plant to spend time there studying Toyota production systems.

On their return our systems were progressively changed accordingly.

What had struck them most forcefully was that the humblest worker was empowered to stop the line if he found a faulty component: top level engineers then investigated the root cause and once identified, steps were taken to failsafe the system to prevent recurrence.

I seem to recall that years ago (at British Leyland among others) the line was not stopped to fix faults, these were dealt with at a 'rework' area.

The Japanese approach is now adopted everywhere to some extent, but as always, if 'bean-counters' overrule engineers, maybe not 100%

VAG Tsi engines - slkfanboy

>So are you saying that because Japanese manufacturers tend to give goodwill repairs >they are no more reliable it's just because they have less claims recorded.

No, but these do not count claims against the 3rd party warranty