Alloy or Steel wheels - scot22

Another gap in my knowledge I would like to fill ! Basic car models seem to have steel, while more expensive have alloys.

Having suffered in the past with ageing alloys losing air at the rims, I wonder if alloys are 'superior' and if not what is the point of them ?

Alloy or Steel wheels - RT

Bling !

Alloy (mixture of metals) rarely include aluminium on road cars as that's generally too soft so alloys aren't necessarily lighter than their steel alternatives.

Alloy or Steel wheels - galileo

Bling !

Alloy (mixture of metals) rarely include aluminium on road cars as that's generally too soft so alloys aren't necessarily lighter than their steel alternatives.

I'm interested to know what alloys are made of if they contain no aluminium, please tell me as you seem to know.

(Turbocharger compressor wheels are made of aluminium, centrifugal force on these can be in excess of 650g, they are remarkably strong and tough.)

Alloy or Steel wheels - gordonbennet

Very few modern cars running round on steelies now.

Diamond cut and laquered are hopeless beyond belief, proper hot painted alloy wheels of sensible sizes with some tyre to protect them can last almost indefinately if kept clean and not battered against every kerb.

Most alloys look better than steels, exceptions were the rather attractive Rostyles of yore, and some noughties Vauxhalls which had really good trims that looked like alloys by having precise cut outs identical to the wheels.

Alloy or Steel wheels - scot22

Thanks for all the further comments.

Rob, I've spent more than four decades in education and I always told trainee teachers I was still learning. Couldn't agree more with your view.

Alloy or Steel wheels - gordonbennet

Rob, I've spent more than four decades in education and I always told trainee teachers I was still learning. Couldn't agree more with your view.

Agreed, i've been driving artics and lorries in general for 39 years now in various roles and i learn something every day too.

When you think you know it all it's because you only know what you've told, not learned, then you get placed into managing the country and your subjects reap the benefits of that unlearned 'wisdom'..:-)

Alloy or Steel wheels - Andrew-T

Agreed, i've been driving artics and lorries in general for 39 years now in various roles and i learn something every day too.

When you think you know it all it's because you only know what you've told, not learned, then you get placed into managing the country and your subjects reap the benefits of that unlearned 'wisdom'..:-)

GB, for those of us who have been doing anything (or nothing) for 39 years, the problem is that when we learn those new things every day we forget two others we learnt earlier.

I also believe that some people know less of 'what they're told' than what they have learnt by bitter experience, not doing what they were told but something different with unfortunate results.

Alloy or Steel wheels - gordonbennet
I also believe that some people know less of 'what they're told' than what they have learnt by bitter experience, not doing what they were told but something different with unfortunate results.

Yes that's fair, all the training in world cannot replicate all the variations that reality can throw at you, and i suspect this applies in almost every field...is this why they say computers can never (please God) fully replace humans with decision making.

What's that old saying, he's forgot more than you (or whomever) will ever know.

Alloy or Steel wheels - RT

Bling !

Alloy (mixture of metals) rarely include aluminium on road cars as that's generally too soft so alloys aren't necessarily lighter than their steel alternatives.

I'm interested to know what alloys are made of if they contain no aluminium, please tell me as you seem to know.

(Turbocharger compressor wheels are made of aluminium, centrifugal force on these can be in excess of 650g, they are remarkably strong and tough.)

Alloy is simply a mixture of a metal and another element - steel (iron + carbon) is an alloy.

Aluminium alloy is aluminium plus something else - but "alloy" could be anything.

Alloy or Steel wheels - gordonbennet
Aluminium alloy is aluminium plus something else - but "alloy" could be anything.

Judging by how weak some German 19" alloy wheels are i wonder if monkey metal features highly.

Alloy or Steel wheels - Andrew-T

Alloy (mixture of metals) rarely include aluminium on road cars as that's generally too soft so alloys aren't necessarily lighter than their steel alternatives.

As Skidpan says (below) aluminium will be the major component of 'alloys' as it is the only light durable metal with suitable mechanical properties in large enough supply relatively cheaply. What else did you have in mind? Titanium?

Alloy or Steel wheels - RT

Alloy (mixture of metals) rarely include aluminium on road cars as that's generally too soft so alloys aren't necessarily lighter than their steel alternatives.

As Skidpan says (below) aluminium will be the major component of 'alloys' as it is the only light durable metal with suitable mechanical properties in large enough supply relatively cheaply. What else did you have in mind? Titanium?

I'm not suggesting that alloys are any lighter than steel, not on ordinary road cars anyway - so no, it's not a choice of aluminium, titanium or magnesium.

Alloy or Steel wheels - Andrew-T

Leaving aside the obvious accusation of bling, let's not forget how naff an elderly set of steels can look after years of exposure to brake dust. The corrosion can look far worse than with alloys, and I suspect they are much harder to restore - if anyone would bother. That's why entry-level cars with steels have "embellishers" to make them look like cheap alloys.

But I would also guess that steels stand up to careless treatment better.

Alloy or Steel wheels - Sofa Spud

These days new car buyers have a choice between buying a car with alloy wheels or a more basic version with steel wheels that are fitted with silver plastic wheel covers made to look like alloy wheels.

What's wrong with making steel wheels look nice in their own right? Even Austin-Rover managed to do that with the Mini Metro in the 1980's, as did Ford with the Mk 3 Escort of the same era.

Alloy or Steel wheels - skidpan

Edited by skidpan on 27/07/2015 at 13:18

Alloy or Steel wheels - MrDanno

Leaving aside the obvious accusation of bling, let's not forget how naff an elderly set of steels can look after years of exposure to brake dust. The corrosion can look far worse than with alloys, and I suspect they are much harder to restore - if anyone would bother. That's why entry-level cars with steels have "embellishers" to make them look like cheap alloys.

But I would also guess that steels stand up to careless treatment better.

I tend to agree with most of that but, I don't think steels are any better suited to rough treatment. Maybe they wear light kerbing a bit better.

My van has steels and when I bought it the front nearside wheel had some serious damage to the rim from heavy kerbing and one of the rears had a flat spot on the inside of the rim, probably due to big pot holes and low profiles.

I think alot of the problems with wheels now is these stupidly low profile rubber bands, we still refer to as tyres, they do not offer any protection to the wheels at all.

Alloy or Steel wheels - skidpan

I'm interested to know what alloys are made of if they contain no aluminium, please tell me as you seem to know.

"Alloy" wheels believe it or not are made of an aluminium alloy. The normal one for road wheels is LM25. Google it for more info.

Personally I prefer the looks of alloys (not many maufacturers fit nice covers) but steels do have advantages for careless drivers who regularly kerb their wheels and in winter were salt can cause corrosion under the lacquer on polished rims.

In my experience 30 years ago alloys were quite a bit lighter than an identically sized steel but nowadays the complicated big bling alloys fitted to sporty models appear to be far heavier than a steel fitted to the poverty spec. But the wider tyres will no doubt be adding some of the extra weight.

Alloy or Steel wheels - galileo

Skidpan, I am obliged for your info that LM25 is the usual spec for road wheels, I thought it must be something similar.

Alloy or Steel wheels - Avant

Interesting to see how many of us - including me - favour steel wheels. I miss the good old hubcap, not least because they were the obvious place to put the wheelnuts when changing a wheel.

I think it's possible to design good-looking steel wheels, to avoid the wellies-with-a-suit look - but the market seems to want alloys. It would be quite difficult to sell a car fitted with steel wheels when that model normally came with alloys.

Edited by Avant on 31/07/2015 at 21:25

Alloy or Steel wheels - Andrew-T

I think it's possible to design good-looking steel wheels, to avoid the wellies-with-a-suit look - but the market seems to want alloys.

I used to like the coated steel wheels on the Pug 205 XS and Dturbo in the early nineties, but after several years corrosion used to set in at the sharp edges, presumably where the coating was fragile. But in those days one reason to prefer steel was that alloys were nicked more often.

Alloy or Steel wheels - chewer1

I couldn't agree more. The choice seems to be cheap steel with awful full wheel trims or alloys. Surely decently designed steel wheels without full trim and with a modern coating would be a better option and tougher ?

I only go for alloys because the steel with alloy lookalike trims look so bad.

Alloy or Steel wheels - gordonbennet

I only go for alloys because the steel with alloy lookalike trims look so bad.

Vauxhall are the only maker i can recall offering trims that looked as good as the alloys.

Dacia's Duster seemed to offer the perfect solution, from memory there were three wheel options, a base steel rim which looked grim to be honest, the top option was a standard alloy, but in between was a nice looking steel wheel just itching for a good coat of the right paint, they would be my perfect wheel.

Does anyone remember Rostyle wheels, very pretty, and i had a big bumper 144GLE Volvo which had steel wheels but with standard chrome trim rings, they looked good for the time.

Alloy or Steel wheels - steelghost

So much of what is seen as desirable in road cars (vs actual, genuine racecars) does come from the racing world.

This can be seen in things like spoilers and bodykits. Aerodynamics (especially downforce) make a huge difference for a powerful, RWD car doing 150mph down the straight, but not a whole lot for your average hatchback, even at motoway speeds.

On a racing car you want to minimise the rotating mass of the wheels, and reduce the "squidge" of the tyres to minimum needed to grip the road surface. On a smooth racing circuit this leads to low profile tyres and lightweight alloy wheels that in all honesty would not stand up to day-to-day road use.

Other problems with alloy wheels - eg hot brake dust breaking down the paint and eventually leading to galvanic corrosion of the wheel surface (especially in winter on heavily salted UK roads) are again not a problem in the race world, since cars get stripped, washed and reassembled between races for maintenance and repair.

But because alloy wheels and low profile tyres are a 'look' that high performance cars have for a reason, manufacturers have tried to use that to "sportify" many of their cars that really don't need it (and in some cases it actively harms the ride, puts the edges of the rims in harms way (kerbs, potholes etc) and makes the tyres more expensive to buy.

(Never understood that, I'd have thought a lower profile tyre would cost less, there being less tyre overall?!)

Now look at your average MPV - does it need 17 or even 18 inch alloy wheels? Of course not. But it (supposedly) looks better with them on, and what looks better, sells.

I think it would be possible to manufacture some very nice looking steel wheels if you tried - especially if they were powder coated appropriately. But the market thinks "steel wheels are for base spec vehicles, or commercials, so I want alloys" and no-body ever does. I do like the gloss-black wheels that Kronprinz make (typically used for fitting winter tyres at a deeper profile than your summer ones) but I can't see any manufacturer offering them as standard equipment :)

(Edited for clarity of meaning / typos)

Edited by steelghost on 05/08/2015 at 14:12

Alloy or Steel wheels - bathtub tom

So much of what is seen as desirable in road cars (vs actual, genuine racecars) does come from the racing world.

This can be seen in things like spoilers and bodykits.

Too right. Had a neighbour who spent a couple of hundred quid on a rear spoiler for a Mondeo. When I looked into it, I found the spoiler generated around a Kilo of downforce, less than it weighed. Told him it would be more effective inside the boot as then he'd still get the downforce without the aerodynamic drag. Didn't go down too well!