N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - FP

A recent report says that 20,000 drivers have been caught since September 2013 by these cameras. (I'm a bit confused by the report - on PocketGPSWorld.com - which says these cameras are "average speed"; they don't look like that to me. I also assume what it says also applies to the stretch Jct 8 -10, where there are also variable speed limits.)

The main point is that motorists don't seem to understand how the variable speed thing works. (a) It's a mandatory speed limit, signed by a matrix sign with a red circle enclosing the maximum speed allowed and (b) you have one minute after a new speed is displayed - if it changes - to comply.

I use the bit between Jct 8 and 11 fairly often, usually when the variable speed limits are in operation, which is every weekday rush hour. It reassures me that my care in keeping to the limits is actually worthwhile, and that maybe the maniacs who regularly storm past me way over the limits - maybe they're getting caught.

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N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - Bromptonaut

The cameras pictured are average speed but those on the variable speed limit managed or smart motorway are the 'flash and grab' type.

Last time I used that section when they were active was early eveninig just before Xmas. The limit was well signed but changed at several points as we ran through the relevant section. Not difficult if you've got your wits about you.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - gordonbennet

I've seen them flash numerous times when unlit too, usually when the vehicle being flashed is fairly getting on well, presumably over the threshold.

Those cameras bolted out of the way up on the left hand gantry support are busy too.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - galileo

Those cameras bolted out of the way up on the left hand gantry support are busy too.

Are those ANPR cameras or just the ones you can see the view from on Traffic England's website?

Edited by galileo on 14/06/2015 at 19:40

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - gordonbennet

Are those ANPR cameras or just the ones you can see the view from on Traffic England's website?

Its these ones i refer to, bolted to the gantry support pole on the nearside as per the pic, no cameras to be seen overhead.

Need eyes up your watsit..www.speedcamerasuk.com/hadecs-3.htm

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - bathtub tom

I live local to this section of the M1 and there's been a great deal of fuss lately about these cameras, with the emphasis on people being penalised for driving at less than the national speed limit.

A local radio station devoted a program about it and the following salient points were noted:

1. The cameras are not activated until one minute after a speed limit change.

2. A 60MPH limit is always posted during 'smart' working (hard shoulder running).

3. Successive speed limits will never vary by more than 10MPH.

These stories motorists claim about the limit jumping from 70 to 40 to 50 and being flashed as they went under the sign that changed would not be true. It was obvious from those phoning in, that they weren't capable of observing the posted limits.

The observation skills of the average driver on this section are obvious when 'smart' working is in operation. The hard shoulder is usually nearly empty.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - FP

My original post was badly worded in parts.

I meant that the pictures in the report look like average-speed cameras, but the ones on the M1 between Jct 8 and 13 don't, as has been pointed out.

There is some awful driving on this stretch and it's just as well speeds are reduced when it's busy. Last Friday it was someone in lane 3 out of four who was signalling left at the last minute to get off at Jct 9, with two busy lanes to cross, all moving nose-to-tail (or too close, probably) at the speed limit - 50, IIRC. Such people clearly are incapable or unwilling to think ahead, or just don't care.

Edited by FP on 14/06/2015 at 21:29

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - Hamsafar

I think we are talking about the SPECS stretch with 50mph limit while they supposedly replace the barrier with concrete blocks. It seems to be taking years with little sign of work - maybe they think if they are slow enough, the speeding tickets will pay for the work.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - FP

"I think we are talking about the SPECS stretch with 50mph limit..."

That's not Jct 10 - 13, though, is it? And the SPECs stretch doesn't have variable speed limits.

Edited by FP on 14/06/2015 at 22:56

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - Bromptonaut

I think we are talking about the SPECS stretch with 50mph limit while they supposedly replace the barrier with concrete blocks. It seems to be taking years with little sign of work - maybe they think if they are slow enough, the speeding tickets will pay for the work.

As pointed out laready the OP mentions 8-13. Barrier replacement is presently taking place further north; 15-19. The same speed limit also covers the remodel of J19 (Catthorpe) so that there's finally a proper interchnge with the A14.

There's more going on then just grubbing up the old steel barrier and dropping in concrete blocks. The new barrier has solid foundations and the blocks appear to be moulded on site. At same time the central res mounted streetlighting installed in the eighties is being removed - not clear if it's being wholly or just selectively replaces.

It's also reported that the work has been re-scoped to include at least cabling to provide for future (or even immediate) implementation of, 'smart' motorway.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - gordonbennet
It's also reported that the work has been re-scoped to include at least cabling to provide for future (or even immediate) implementation of, 'smart' motorway.

That makes sense, with concrete barrier they can run the opposing two fast lanes closer, effectively widening the road.

The junction 13 to 9 section seemed to take for ever, but it's been a big improvement, its only in the last year that the traffic volumes have increased so much that we're now being slowed up considerably approaching junction 9 soutbound.

I noticed the queues going into Hemel the other morning, amazing volumes of traffic at peak periods.

The smart motorway software suffered a glitch last week. hmm two or three actually come to think, on the elevated section at B'Ham between 6 and 5 southbound. All 4 lanes signed as 60 limit with the text sign simultaneously displaying hard shoulder emergency use only, take your pick...sure enough there's a car broken down on the stilll live lane hard shoulder and nowhere for the poor driver to escape if it went badly wrong unless he took his chances and dived over the papapet.

Thats now the third time i've personally had to avoid broken down vehicles on the live lane hard shoulder with no warning, all in the Birmingham section.

Certainly if you break down in such a place getting out and away is a must, nasty place for the not so nimble or if stopped on a bridge.

Edited by gordonbennet on 15/06/2015 at 10:28

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - Jim86
My question is about M1 north, j 40, Wakefield. I was driving up the M1 and the warning sign said 60mph que caution so I slowed to 60. As I approached the variable speed it was at 40mph so I began to slow and it changed to national speed limit so I sped up again to around 60 and I got flashed. I don't understand why.
N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - focussed
My question is about M1 north, j 40, Wakefield. I was driving up the M1 and the warning sign said 60mph que caution so I slowed to 60. As I approached the variable speed it was at 40mph so I began to slow and it changed to national speed limit so I sped up again to around 60 and I got flashed. I don't understand why.

This seems a suitable case to have a dashboard camera - it will record your progress through the speed limits. Any dodgy technical chicanery by the speed camera spivs will be recorded for your own benefit.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - bathtub tom
As I approached the variable speed it was at 40mph so I began to slow and it changed to national speed limit so I sped up again to around 60 and I got flashed. I don't understand why.

So you sped up to 10MPH below the the NSL?

I understand the the displayed speed limit isn't enforced until you pass under the second notification.

N/A - M1 variable speed limits/speed cameras Jct 10 - 13 - Smileyman

Reading this thread, and being of reasonable intelligence I'm totally confused. Chopping and changing, smoke and mirrors backed up by a modern form of stocks - automated roadside cameras.

All the hapless motorist wants to do is to get from A to B, in safety, and in a timely way. Seems there are just too many (often obscure or just confusing) rules and regulation acting as trip points - a whole industry has spawned in driver confusion.