Ok, so it was looking like the Punto from SWMBO but I keep looking at the Yaris and I know it's the better car.
Anybody able to offer real-life figures on MPG for the 1.0 and 1.3? GS upwards preferred as these have "real" tyres and roadholding, whereas the S has skinny econo-rubber.
Likewise would welcome any "real" figures for the D-4D. Have some sums to do as to whether the higher cost to buy a D-4D will be worth it. Expecting to do c.15k pa.
Have a feeling the budget my be going up.....
Ta!
No Dosh (and a loan at this rate)
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Keep pushing the budget up even more and you could take in what I reckon is the best of both worlds: the new Mini One D. Great fun car AND it's got a Toyota diesel under the bonnet.
Go on, Mrs ND, you KNOW it makes sense!
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Now 12 months ago you might have swung that one, Mr Oxford. As it is, a friend has a Cooper and having been in it a number of times, we were not impressed. Horrible interior, all that shiny "Goodmans Hi-Fi" silver plastic. Yuck!
Plus the local BMiniW dealer is a notorious snobzone. ROAR, so if your face doesn't fit, forget it. My mate had £17k in his pocket but got the run around as 25yr-olds running their own highly successful business obviously aren't the desired image around here. Probably explains why every MINI I see in Bournemouth seems to be driven by 17yr old daddy's darlings with a mobile glued to their ears. Needless to say he voted with his feet and bought in Berkshire. Makes a point of mentioning it every time he has a service done.
Now back to the Yaris....
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Now 12 months ago you might have swung that one, Mr Oxford. As it is, a friend has a Cooper and having been in it a number of times, we were not impressed. Horrible interior, all that shiny "Goodmans Hi-Fi" silver plastic. Yuck! Plus the local BMiniW dealer is a notorious snobzone. ROAR, so if your face doesn't fit, forget it. My mate had £17k in his pocket but got the run around as 25yr-olds running their own highly successful business obviously aren't the desired image around here. Probably explains why every MINI I see in Bournemouth seems to be driven by 17yr old daddy's darlings with a mobile glued to their ears. Needless to say he voted with his feet and bought in Berkshire. Makes a point of mentioning it every time he has a service done. Now back to the Yaris....
So that's a no, then?
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Off topic - but reminds me of my visit to local BM dealer when looking for replacement fro the totalled Omega - never made it from the carpark into the showroom due to obnoxiousness encountered from staff. Still BMW's loss Volvo's gain.
CS
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Off topic - but reminds me of my visit to local BM dealer when looking for replacement fro the totalled Omega - never made it from the carpark into the showroom due to obnoxiousness encountered from staff. Still BMW's loss Volvo's gain. CS
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Sorry ND, but off topic again - snobbish attitudes among some prestige dealers seems to be a regular refrain.
Reminds me of an article I saw in one of the weeklies a few years back where they travelled round from dealer to dealer in jeans. Porsche dealer effectively invited them to leave the premises...then ran out into the car park after them when he saw them getting into a Lotus Esprit Turbo asking how he could help!
Anyway, my rule with economy (if it's an economy-oriented car) is to take the urban figure (always the most punishing, but most real-world) and add 10-20 per cent depending on journey profile. Usually works reasonably well as a rule of thumb.
Off to start a new thread about snobby dealers now...
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ROAR so if your face doesn't fit forget it.
Woss ROAR?
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No dosh you are right to ask about real life figures, but a lot depends on how heavy a foot the driver has on the throttle.
If you get a few replies with less than the claimed figures then you may get some idea.
As an example my wife (hate the usual acronym) gets 48 -50 in her Jazz compared to a claimed 57 on a 66 mile daily journey.
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is 57 the combined or the extra-urban on the Jazz? I usually find that the combined figure is pretty close on most cars I've driven.
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Spot on No dosh.
Extra urban, 57.6
Urban,40.9
Combined,49.6
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Well that kills this thread. Take the combined as pretty accurate or the urban and add 10-20%. Much if a muchness.
Ho-hum. Time to start trawling for official figures.
Of course, I could also look at the Daihatsu YRV, what with it being made by Toyota with a Yaris engine.
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I occassionally drive a 1.3 SR Yaris and (according to the trip computer) usually get something between about 39 & 42mpg.
I think you'd find it difficult to get it much below 40mpg and a light foot with a warm engine could probably see 45mpg or more.
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No Dosh,
I take it you have not looked at the Jazz, it's worth a look, good build quality, renowned Honda reliability, economical, eager engine, clever interior due to placing the fuel tank in the middle, etc.
Some owners find it little stiff on the suspension, but about to be modified.
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The Jazz is off the list because of the ride. We live on an unmade lane with potholes that will swallow small children. Also it will need to be comfortable bouncing along the country lanes and around the farmyard at the agricultural college where the future Mrs ND will be studying later this year.
Although the suspension is about to be softened, our budget is already being stretched looking at 12-18month old Yarii (correct plural?) so a new jazz may be a push too far.
Much as I would like to, I can't spend all the bank's money on cars. I still have to pay for the skiing holiday and the annual visit to the carribean you know! Then there's the honeymoon to pay for..... It's a hard life, having champagne tastes and a cider budget. Weston Special Reserve vintage or Thatchers Cheddar Gorge, if you're asking, although quite amenable to a pint or two from Ringwood brewery if the apples are off the menu.
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If you are still looking for the corect plural, ND - I think it should be Yares. Likewise Foci, Lexi, Maestri, Allegri, Punti, Mareae .. ..
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1.0 GLS, W reg.
Daily trip to work, about 2.5 miles around town in moderate traffic, 35-40mpg depending on time of year.
Motorway runs, stick to about 60 / 65 and you'll get near enough 50 mpg. Push it up to 70/75 and this will drop to about 42-45.
Pottering along on mixed roads, 30s, 40s and a short 60 limit, about 10 miles and you're looking at 50 to 55mpg. I did once get 60 on the run back from Mottram to Stockport over the tops at Hayfield, but I was really taking it easily.
Around town once the engine is warm and in light traffic, 45-50 over even short journeys.
In short, you are looking at between 40 and 45 for most journeys unless you are really light on the throttle or are just pottering. If your main journeys are country roads with lots of hills and sharp bends and you want to make decent progress then I'd say you are better with the 1.3, otherwise, the 1.0 manages find around town and on the motorway.
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1.3 auto CDX - daily commute with a bit of traffic but mainly 30 mph and general shortish trips around the suburbs = 34mpg. over 12 month period
Exactly the same but with diesel CDX = 57mpg. Over 6 month period.
These are calculated by topping up the tank each time and by using 4.55 - gall.
KB.
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Yeah, forgot to mention that filling up each time I usually average about 40 when I've mainly been dotting around town and to work and back, 45 if I've had a run.
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KB....Can you confirm what I have been told, ie that the D4-D does not have a trip computer....and can anyone tell me why this should be?
It is worth mentioning the potential of the diesel...one chap drove from Lands End to John O'Groats in one last year and averaged 116mpg!
I spoke to him about the trip and he assured me that it was his own driving school vehicle, not a 'special' prepared by Toyota.
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116mpg?!
Did he drive the car or carry it?
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116mpg?!
Did he drive the car or carry it?
The story is on: www.carpages.co.uk
Same chap did more than 120mpg for the measured mile.
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If you believe this mpg figure (and I must admit I'm sceptical) perhaps the reason the calculation doesn't work for the diesel is that it can only display 2 digits before the decimal point?
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OAP, Funny you should mention that.
I took mine back after noticing that it didn't work. they booked it in to have a new 'whatever' fitted. They fitted the new part under warranty of course and when I went back saying it still didn't work they asked the supervisor in the workshop and he told the rest of them that it's not supposed to work on diesel models. As it happens the Service receptionist made such a hash of booking in job and generally keeping me informed that (a) she got the sack (I wasn't the only one) and (b) I got a £50 voucher towards my next service. I didn't get a reason for it's non functioning, despite asking but felt I'd gone far enough with it.
So - no, it doesn't function on diesels.
KB.
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1.0GS 3 door Yaris 8K miles
B roads 47mpg
Motorway 60-70 mph 65mpg
Motorway 70-85 mph 55mpg
1.5 miles to work 39mpg
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Excellent response from you all. Thank you.
Will be off to look at a couple of 1.0GS this weekend. Still debating whether it's worth getting a new one for the extra cash, given the warranty, the high residuals etc. as I can't find an early one for much under £5,250.00
Ta all!
ND
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Hi folks.
I've got some real-life MPG figures for my Toyota Yaris 1.4 D-4D diesel if you're still interested.
When fuel prices are low, I drive pretty much like the rest. Extra urban, 70-80mph, reasonable speeds elsewhere. This gets me between 65-75 mpg, depending on how heavy footed I am.
But for the last 6 months I've been forcing myself to drive like an old git. Stick to 56 mph wherever possible; get into fifth ASAP; slam it into neutral where I can coast and not lose speed; slow gently and early in traffic; gently accellerate; turn the engine off at traffic lights; use TomTom traffic updates to avoid jams.
Not the for the feint of heart, and you really have to give yourself enough time (although the speed difference for an average motorway journey doesn't seem make a hell of a lot of difference to my arrival time - maybe 10 or 15 minutes on a 2 hour journey; guess that's down to traffic though).
So, my average for the last 6 months of teeth-grttingly slow and steady driving is:
avg 641.4 miles per tank; avg 34.86 litres when I fill up; 4.545 litres to the gallon =>
avg 83.6 mpg
or around 7p per mile.
My Yaris is just over 4 years old. I've had it for 3 years. Running costs are also low: £35/year road tax; cheapest car to insure I've ever owned; complete set of tyres costs less than my mate pays for each of his; about £150 per year on services.
Best car I've had. More fuel economic than a Smart Car and loads more room. And if you don't mind sacrificing fuel economy, it goes like the clappers. Top speeds high enough to get your license permanently revoked. Apparently.
Have fun!
joel
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Joel
That is amazing and shows the worth of careful driving.
However note that coasting in neutral is not only dangerous (no control over the car), the engine demands fuel to keep idling, whereas keeping the car in gear but foot off the accelerator whilst slowing down sends it into a no-fuel mode so saving even more!
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However note that coasting in neutral (...) the engine demands fuel to keep idling whereas keeping the car in gear but foot off the accelerator whilst slowing down sends it into a no-fuel mode so saving even more!
I keep hearing this, but...
How much fuel does the enging use when idling?
How much further can I go when coasting, compared to merely taking my foot off the throttle and then having to use fuel again pretty soon, due to slowing down (engine braking)?
I know a a stretch of road where I can coast, if I chose to, for around 0.7 of a mile. On the overrun, I would not get very far at all!
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It's a diesel though Espada. A lot more engine braking than with a petrol engine. Or has CR technology changed all that? There's no way of reducing the very high compression ratio of diesel engines, which causes that engine braking, except with a mechanism that keeps the exhaust valves slightly open at all times on the overrun. I suppose it would be possible, but does anyone do it?
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Idle fuel is negligible with a diesel (about 50:1 air fuel ratio).
Overrun drag with engine connected to wheels is very high with any engine - you would go only a quarter the distance compared with coasting.
I coast in neutral all the time - just don't turn the engine off if you want to keep steering and braking assistance.
659.
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Overrun drag with engine connected to wheels is very high with any engine - you would go only a quarter the distance compared with coasting.
Not so with many modern petrol engines 659. There has been much discussion of this recently in another thread. Engine braking in top gear on the overrun is almost negligible in my 14-year-old Escort 1600 for example.
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I'll do a coast test in my Yaris diesel and report back.
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Slightly o/t, but all thjis coasting business in neutral will one day cost a vital second or two when you need to react to a 'situation' , (esp. in a manual) - not worth it in my view.
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My understanding is that to coast in neutral uses fuel as indicated by the on board computer, but to roll down hills in gear uses no fuel and engine braking does not affect it much - even my cruise control does the latter!
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Hi,
The manufacturer figures is 61.4 and ive seen a real world figure of 60 on the website
www.WhatMPG.co.uk which shows real word MPG comparisons and collects and stores real world MPG figures.
I tihnk those Aygos are a great little car and with those kind of number say go for it...
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Coast test: aborted.. Too much hassle on the Congleton Buxton road (the most dangerous in UK etc)..
Still averaging over 60mpg tho by only using aircon on very hot days (2 in a row... that's summer).
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