LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - hettybear
Hi, I bought a Land Rover approved Freelander 2 from the main dealers in November last year after being given assurances I would have nothing to worry about maintenance wise for at least a year as it had a Land Rover warranty. The car was 7 years old but bought from and known by the dealer and had done 43000 miles. Having had two company Freelander 2's previously I was confident that I knew the fuel running costs and having the warranty set my mind at ease to do the deal. In March however the car needed servicing, the service flagged all brake pads needing replacement and one pair disks. This set me back with the service nearly £900 so already I am over what I had intended to spent split over just a year assuming nothing else goes wrong. I queried the warranty and was told all this work was wear and tear so no cover. After complaining finally got 10% off but really not happy given how long I know my brakes etc lasted when driving the model before so must have been very worn when they did the approved car check. I'm now wondering whether to cut my loses and sell he car, it's on finance through Landrover so need to make sure the remainder will be covered given this experience. My worry is am I regularly going to get bills of this size in which case it makes sense to get rid of it and go back to a cheaper brand but from new so I don't have the uncertainly. Anyone any ideas?? I need something that has an upright driving position, ok for long drives and can carry large loads. I live in a very rural areas hence the 4x4. I guess the main question is is it worth the risk of hanging onto it to try and get my moneysworth from the repairs or get shot of it before it costs even more!
LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - daveyjp

The starting point for all this is did the brakes actually need doing? Its a nice earner for dealers.

Many cars now have brake pad depth warning indicators. If the Freelander does and it didn't go off your brakes were fine.

If they did need doing you tell the garage to leave them, find an independent and pay 50% of what a dealer would charge.

You've now spent the money, the car has new brakes so absolutely no point selling.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - hettybear

The starting point for all this is did the brakes actually need doing? Its a nice earner for dealers.

Many cars now have brake pad depth warning indicators. If the Freelander does and it didn't go off your brakes were fine.

If they did need doing you tell the garage to leave them, find an independent and pay 50% of what a dealer would charge.

You've now spent the money, the car has new brakes so absolutely no point selling.

Thanks for the reply, it doesnt have warning indicators and they advised wasnt safe to keep driving. I would have preferred to take it for a second opinion but felt like I didnt have a choice at the time. In hindsight should have just taken it away anyway.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - craig-pd130

Brake pads and discs will not be covered by the warranty. However, it might be worth checking the previous MOT certificates to see if there were any advisories from the examiner about brake pad / disc wear, and also to establish how many miles the car had done since the MOT test.

If there were no advisories, and the car had done only a couple of thousand miles since the MOT test, then the dealer may well have been trying it on with you.

If that is the case, put it down to experience, know that you're unlikely to need the brakes doing again, and take your business elsewhere.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - oldroverboy.

Having worked in a high end dealership, the choice to "offer" (say it needs doing) is on the basis that the pads should last until the next service. if not then inform customer to change pads/discs as required. The Op should check when the car was previously serviced and how many miles since that and how many miles since he bought the car. If within a couple of thousand miles or so...

bit late , but if otherwise happy keep it but find a good indy, and with all these types you can get some big bills.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - 72 dudes

The dealer has not been very truthful or helpful. If it was sold with an approved used warranty, there should have been paperwork detailing the wear in the brakes at the time of sale. Some brands call this a vehicle health check or similar.

Equally, you perhaps should have taken more notice of the service history and seen that one would be due in just 4 months at the time of purchase.This could have been a negotiation point.

As Craig says, put it down to experience but don't sell the car - you will lose a couple of thousand straight away.

Now search for a independent Land Rover specialist in your area and have all future maintenance done there. If something else goes wrong before November, excluding wear and tear items, then at least you should be covered at the dealer.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - slkfanboy

That a lot for disc's and pads. For sure not a warranty issue.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - madf

Youngest son bought a 2012 1.3 yaris in December 2014. 12 month warranty. It had done 27k miles.

In May 2015 and 6,000 miles later , it needed new pads for an MOT. I just went ahead and fitted them. The thought of claiming on warranty never corssed my mind.. They are a consumable and 6k miles life on the original pads seems entirely reasonable.

The Freelander is 7 years old... 43k miles. I think new disks and pads is entirely reasonable at that age and mileage.. After all, it will have sat and rusted its disks most of the time: and then worn off the rust when driven. And worn out the pads and disks.

Five months use. How many miles in those 5 months please? .

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - gordonbennet

I agree with all the above, brakes are a consumable item, all that is wrong is that you paid well over the odds to get them changed.

I also agree with the others to find a competent indie workshops.

Nice car with new brakes all round now, look after it, keep it well serviced by someone who doesn't think the money trees of croydon are real, and enjoy it.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - Ethan Edwards

May have to resort to cheaper brands than Land Rover? Oh the humanity! Still buck up virtually any other Japanese or Korean make will be more reliable. ...

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - John F

Youngest son bought a 2012 1.3 yaris in December 2014. 12 month warranty. It had done 27k miles.

In May 2015 and 6,000 miles later , it needed new pads for an MOT...... They are a consumable and 6k miles life on the original pads seems entirely reasonable.

The Freelander is 7 years old... 43k miles. I think new disks and pads is entirely reasonable at that age and mileage.. After all, it will have sat and rusted its disks most of the time: and then worn off the rust when driven. And worn out the pads and disks.

The OP has probably been conned. Pads should last 50,000m with careful driving. That's roughly 6,000m per mm pad thickness, probably more for rear pads. Garages perpetuate the myth that they won't work properly if only 1mm left. They also sometimes attempt to persuade the unknowledgable/gullible that new discs are needed for new pads 'cos they're made of softer metal these days so they wear equally, squire'.

Discs, with regular servicing (take them off every year or two, hammer off the rust and grind off lipping with a carborundum wheel), should last 100,000m. Mine always have - rear ones longer. The discs on our automatic Focus which has minimal 'engine braking' are now 80,000m/11yrs old and still have loads of wear left.

If the caliper piston is never allowed to travel along its cylinder, the cylinder wall will be more likely to corrode, then the piston will seize and then you will need a much more expensive new caliper. Garages like that a lot.

Brakes work satisfactorily till the screech of metal on metal at which point the pads must be changed immediately as not only will they not grip the disc as well, the iron filings knacker the alloy wheels!

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - skidpan

There is no simple rule for the life of brake pads.

Heavier cars tend to be heavier on pad wear.

Cars used mostly in town will use pads faster than those driven on the motorway.

Some drivers anticipate traffic better than others and use their brakes less.

In over 40 years on the road I have never had 2 different types of car that require pads at exactly the same mileage. A few examples follow, all have had near enough the same use:

Golf Mk2 GTi. Had 2 of these and the front pads needed replacing every 35,000 miles. The rear pads needed replacing every 70,000 miles.

Golf Mk3 TDi. The fronts lasted 62,000 miles. The rear shoes were never touched.

Nissan Bluebird 1800. After 85,000 miles it was still on its original pads and shoes although the fronts would have needed replacing if we had not sold it.

Escort Mk2. After 48,000 miles all original lining materials still in and good for many more miles.

But the best was undoutably a Renault 14. The front pads lasted 14,000 miles in exactly the same use and driving manner as the other cars. Luckily I could do it myself. The rear shoes never wore out.

Brakes work satisfactorily till the screech of metal on metal at which point the pads must be changed immediately as not only will they not grip the disc as well, the iron filings knacker the alloy wheels!

Anyone who waits until that point is irresponsible and needs to be taken off the road. But as usual its our trolling friend John F who constantly posts his nonsense.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - madf

"Pads should last 50,000m with careful driving."

As usual, more rubbish trotted out.

All cars are different.

All drivers brake differently.

Rusty disks wear out pads more quickly than non rusty ones.

Different types of pads wear faster than others.

Different types of terrain - hills versus flat - impact brake usage and wear.

Fast stops from high speeds on motorways wear out pads quicker than slow speed stops.


"Discs, with regular servicing (take them off every year or two, hammer off the rust and grind off lipping with a carborundum wheel), should last 100,000"

You may do that. No-one else does. Garages certainly do not.

Again you are extrapolating from what YOU do to others.

It is really misleading to post such stuff as it is totally inappropriate to normal use and servcing of cars today.

You obiously have time on your hands to maintain cars in a way more suited to vehicles of the 1960s. The world has changed. Your comments are just plain wrong.




I ignore most of what you write as you extrapolate your personal experience to cover all eventualies.



LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - Cyd
Garages perpetuate the myth that they won't work properly if only 1mm left.

Brakes work satisfactorily till the screech of metal on metal

The former is TRUE and the latter is DANGEROUS advice.
(I think the moderators should consider removing it!)

Brake pad friction material cannot be bonded successfully to the metal backing. So the friction material has an interlayer where the formulation changes from the friction material needed for braking to a formula that will allow the material to be bonded to the backing. Some years ago this interlayer used to be about 3mm thick, hence the recommendation to change pads at this point. These days improvements in manufacturing processes and bonding technologies have reduced the interlayer to about 1.5mm. Most manufacturers recommend changing pads at 2mm thickness as a result.

The interlayer exhibits considerably less friction on the disc compared to the friction material proper. As a result the available braking is seriously compromised. Under general light braking this may not be noticeable, but in an emergency stop situation braking distances can be massively extended.

I agree that dealers often seem to recommend changing pads earlier than is strictly necessary, but they have a duty of care. They have to consider that the vast majority of customers do not check their brake pad thicknesses at all. They must consider whether there is enough material left to last a reasonable mileage. They are covering their backsides!

They also sometimes attempt to persuade the unknowledgable/gullible that new discs are needed for new pads 'cos they're made of softer metal these days so they wear equally, squire'.

This also is TRUE. Since asbestos was banned from the friction material, the brake pads were unable to generate as much friction as before. It was therefore necessary to reformulate the alloy for the discs. As a result discs are 'softer' than they used to be and wear more in order to give the required braking performance.

In general I have found that one set of discs is usually good for 2 sets of pads.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - Avant

"Brakes work satisfactorily till the screech of metal on metal at which point the pads must be changed immediately as not only will they not grip the disc as well, the iron filings knacker the alloy wheels!"

This really is dangerous advice. Clearly if the pads are not changed BEFORE that happens, someone could be killed.

I know you have strong views on component life, John (I seem to remember you claiming that 20-year-old tyres were safe), but I would aak you to keep these extreme views to yourself and not air them on a public forum. Unlike the knowledgeable and experienced people who have replied to your last post, many people who come on here looking for advice don't have that knowledge, and the forum could be indirectly responsible for their making a false - even fatal - economy.

LandRover Freelander 2 - Land Rover ongoing costs - DavidGlos
I took delivery of a new company car last December and as a result, had to sell my '57 plate Freelander 2. We'd owned it from 2 years old and 11,000 miles. You don't want to hear this, but it was still on the original pads and discs all round.

What you might want to hear is that throughout the five years I owned it, aside from routine servicing, I bought one set of tyres and one bulb. Most reliable car I've ever had and a pleasant surprise, given Land Rover's iffy reputation regarding reliability.

Now that the brakes are done, I'd definitely hang onto it and find yourself a good LR specialist to maintain it. If you budget for new tyres ahead of when they need replacing, you'll hopefully be lucky with other costs. Really enjoyed my period of ownership and don't think I would have made significant savings with another brand.