Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - xtrailman

My car can be fitted with either 17" wheels are 19" wheels.

225/17/65 or 225/19/55 about the same diameter.

What are the avantages and disadvantages of each, in particular will the 17" wheel stop a car quicker using ABS on a icy road.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - Falkirk Bairn

HJ Review on CX5

I drove a 2WD 150PS diesel automatic (as featured in the video), a 2WD 175PS diesel manual ‘Sport’, a 4WD 175PS diesel manual ‘Sport’, and a base model 2WD 165PS petrol manual SE-L.

It was wet the day I drove the 2WD 150PS diesel auto, as you can see, and that exposed its weakness. A lack of traction on rain-soaked roads. Not what you expect from a diesel automatic SUV. But a very comfortable ride on its 225/65 R17 tyres.

Next up, in dry conditions the next day, and on a much longer route, the 2WD 175PS diesel manual Sport on 225/55 R19 tyres.

It fell about on its tyres less than the 150 did on taller rubber, yet still did not inspire me with the confidence that my long-tern Mazda 5 1.6 diesel did.

Even though the CX-5 is comparatively light for an SUV, its engine and gearbox aren’t, and I could actually feel the weight transfer when cornering.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - xtrailman

I already have a AWD 175ps CX-5 but with 19" wheels.

Really wanting to know the differences between the 17" and 19".

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - Nigel_HD

Try sourcing winter tyres in the 19" format. It is very difficult and more expensive. It is really strange how (for example) Honda and Volvo are sensible and always fit higher-profile tyres on their SUVs whereas Mazda and Nissan seem to think folk buying the higher-spec models will want 19" low profiles fitted. On an SUV this is short-sighted. The other down-side of larger rims / lower profiles, is that the tax band is often worse. This banding is applied at purchase, so changing after this does not affect the banding, although of course you might need to inform your insurance company. Now that's another discussion.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - Falkirk Bairn

You are unlikely find a person, outwith Mazda & dealers, who has experience of the different tyre size, 4wd/2wd,manual /auto combinations.

The car is new and sells in small numbers so any experience of the combinations of models is highly unlikely.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - xtrailman

My original post can be answered by anyone who owns a car, but has experience of using different wheel sizes.

Often people fit a smaller wheel for winter use, the chap i bought my set of four spare 19" did just that, he fitted the 17" and traded in the car with those fitted.

He did say he noticed that the 17" wheels didn't handel as well as the 19". But will the smaller wheels aid stopping quicker on ice, i ask as someone on a Mazda forum claims they will, but i don't see the logic, hence my question on HJ.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - brum

If larger wheel diameter/ lower profile made a massive contribution to safety/handling, then why arent F1 cars fitted with giant wheels on a ridiculous thin profile?

Yes I know they have rules, just a general comment.

From what I know winter tyres are usually

Skinnier - to apply more pressure per sq inch of road, so the tread can "bite"

Higher profile - to provide mor flexible sidewalls and increase the time the tyre stay on the ground

Have softer compounds - so the tread remains flexible at low temperatures

Have special tread pattern - to improve traction in snow.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - xtrailman

Thank you but i'm not looking at fitting winter wheels, just interested in the different characteristics between the 19" and 17" as per OP.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - gordonbennet

I've never gone as large as 19" wheels and it's highly unlikely i ever will.

My experience of wheel changes is mainly with Mercedes W124's, i've had the standard fitment 15" and i ended up with 17's mainly because aftermarket 16" wheels are/were very hard to find at the time of purchase, but would have been a better bet IMO.

I suppose my move from 15 to 17 is about the same difference as your 19/17 dilemma....though if there's a 16" that could fit your car i would certainly consider that too.

The 15's certainly caused roll, the 17's cured that completely and provide a taught handling and stable platform, able to corner with complete stability at quite severe loadings which the 15's would have been most uncomfortable with.

Of course there's a downside and the big one is the loss of the magic carpet ride quality, and after all these years i'm not so sure that i wouldn't back to standard except those times when clear roads and the right combination remind one of why the change was made.

The other major downside is that the lower the aspect the less sidewall there is to protect the wheel, and tyres usually (not always) get to be silly prices too the larger and smaller aspect you go, and IMO the larger you go the better the quality must be in order to keep wet grip standards up.

The worse full out rear wheelspin i encountered was at around 50 mph on the 15" with the Firestones the car came on when we bought it 12 years ago, hit kickdown in the wet and the rear end just span up into full spin, no TC or ASR fitted, most unnerving and saw those F'stones removed immediately.

If i could do it all again, i'd have kept the 15's for winter use and just had the 17's for summer.

Gone back the other way now, just bought an old Landcruiser sitting on 16" 75 aspect tyres, thats more like it, not much chance of kerbing those and it's had the desired effect of slowing me up, which was needed.

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - xtrailman

My last four cars were shod with different profiles.

225/45/17 = never again

215/65/16 = ok

215/60/17 = better.

225/55/19 = Present car which is excellent in compromise, i wouldn't go to 50 profile though.

Only other offering is the 17's on 60 profile

Mazda CX-5 - Different wheel and tyre combo's advantages - Ordovices

Brum

It is counter intuitive, but tyre width does not determine the contact patch size. This is a function of the down force on that axle and the pressure within the tyre. So for different width tyres on the same axle at the same pressure, the contact patches will be the same area.

Increasing the size of the contact patch (deflating the tyre) - for the same downforce on that axle - will not necessarily increase the grip as increasing the contact area reduces the contact pressure between tyre and road.

Edited by Ordovices on 14/02/2015 at 11:15