All - Daylight Running Lights - paulc924

Now that these are "de rigeur" I am horrified to see cars driving around at night with them on and no other lights. I have came up to unlit vehicles from behind much to my surprise and later see that they are using DRL at the front. This is very worrying.

All - Daylight Running Lights - Hamsafar

At least DRL means the **** for brains community have some front lights on these days.
Rears are not so important and still gives POLICE a reason to give them a ticket so is probably better they don't come on with DRL like they do in Nordic countries.

Edited by Hamsafar on 23/11/2014 at 17:38

All - Daylight Running Lights - catsdad

While not excusing this I reckon its due to modern dashboards being lit like Christmas trees even when external lights are not on. In the good old days the dashboard was only lit when external lights were on so it was hard to forget to switch on. DLRs make it worse of course as you get the impression that your external lights are on when sat behind the wheel. Easy to avoid if you have auto lights although personally I dont like these. The possibility of their coming on at the wrong moment and being taken as a sign of aggression or right of way signal adds a random factor beyond driver control. Of course we all know headlights are not to be used to signal but people do use them in this way.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

I followed a car that had only DRL`s on at 11pm one night and flashed it because no other lights were on,I was not the only one, cars coming the other way were as well, but the driver carried on for about 5 miles without them on

Driver did stop in the end, I pulled up by drivers door and told her the lights were not working, she replied I dont know how to turn them on, she said she only had the car for 6 months, never needed them .....

All - Daylight Running Lights - julie page

LOL I hired a Punto in Portugal and spent 3 nights running without lights including a 80 mile run from the airport before I realized I was running on day lights.

Why illuminate the dash board too during the day?

All - Daylight Running Lights - bathtub tom

Like the folk that don't know how to top up their screen washers.

"It gets done each year when it's serviced and MOT'd and they renew any bulbs"

All - Daylight Running Lights - Smileyman

I'm happy to see all cars with lights working when the engine is running, but detest these horrid dayglo LED lines of lights, the solution should be to use dimdip headlamps with all the usual exterior lights working whenever the engine is running, with a bulb failure warning lamp on the dashboard to ensure the driver knows if a lamp needs to be replaced.

Problem is the EU made UK ditch the dimdip setup with a fudge about 'headlamp levelling' system, another example of EU forcing UK to toe the German line.

I'd also ban single reversing lights and rear fog lights unless they are centrally mounted.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

I'd also ban single reversing lights and rear fog lights unless they are centrally mounted.....

And reversing lights made large enough to give a decent amount of light to see whats behind

All - Daylight Running Lights - davecooper
Yes quite. My last car, a well known Supermini had two reversing lights and nice clear back windows. I now have its larger cousin and get one reversing light and "privacy" glass in the back. Reversing out of my drive in the morning has become a whole lot more difficult and hazardous.

As for DRL's, I for one would like to see the rears light up as well. People drive in some pretty atrocious conditions without lights. What is wrong with these people!

Edited by davecooper on 24/11/2014 at 12:54

All - Daylight Running Lights - Alanovich

Then reverse in to your driveway. Reverser-outerers ought to be whipped through the streets.

All - Daylight Running Lights - davecooper
Fine when it's light but in the dark, my narrow drive makes reversing in even more difficult than reversing out. I live in a failrly quiet road so I'm not reversing out into traffic, just the odd pedestrian that I have to keep an eye out for. just to help matters, they have knocked off 50% of the street lighting to save money - and we only had two street lights to begin with!
All - Daylight Running Lights - Alanovich

It may be more difficult for you, but would it not be safer for others for you to drive out forwards? It is in most situations. Perhaps fit some parking sensors to assist?

All - Daylight Running Lights - RichT54

It may be more difficult for you, but would it not be safer for others for you to drive out forwards? It is in most situations. Perhaps fit some parking sensors to assist?

In a nearby busy street a while ago, I noticed a shallow circular feature had been dug in the front garden. Shortly afterwards a turntable had been installed, just large enough to carry a small car. I assume they can drive in from the road, then spin the car round ready to drive straight out, no reversing required!

All - Daylight Running Lights - galileo

The other day I saw a driving school car with dipped headlights and foglights on. The day was bright and clear so no need for foglights (which, per Highway Code rule 236 are only legal in fog or falling snow).

To add to this failure to correctly instruct the pupil, only one foglight was working, so poor maintenance as well. With this standard of instruction it is no wonder so many drivers misuse lights.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bathtub tom

Are you sure they were foglights and not DRLs?

Many modern cars switch on one foglight when turning, if the lights are on. It's supposed to illuminate the direction the car's turning.

All - Daylight Running Lights - coopshere
Unfortunately all the points raised here is the sad state of affairs we now have imposed on us due to the a large section of the uneducated motoring public. If you are unable to see other cars in daylight without them displaying gaudy distracting (to others) DRL's then you shouldn't be driving. Auto headlamps are also a danger, I have seen them activate when cars go under bridges or overhanging trees, it can be misinterpeted by others as a flash of the headlamps which some think is giving them the right of way. Then you have the idiots who drive using fog lamps to front and rear when all they do is dazzle other road users. In the main I enjoy driving but we are seemingly getting closer to the driverless car and in some cases that may be a safer option as the mindless m****s then won't have to think for themselves.
All - Daylight Running Lights - markweatherill

I did read somewhere that LED DRLs save the environment because they use less electricity than incandescent bulbs of the same brightness. I am pretty sure that most DRLs on new cars *exceed* the wattage of incandescent sidelights. Of course they are far brighter, and perhaps this increases visibility at 12 noon in midsummer. At other times they are (therefore) overkill for the stated purpose!

All - Daylight Running Lights - kiss (keep it simple)

LED lights on cars to save electricity? What a joke. They'll be fitting them on patio heaters next!

All - Daylight Running Lights - bathtub tom

LED lights on cars to save electricity? What a joke. They'll be fitting them on patio heaters next!

I think what he meant was they use less energy and hence fuel, thus reducing emissions.

Never mind they 'blind' other drivers to unlit vehicles, such as bikes and motorbikes, by losing them in the clutter of lights.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

LED lights on cars to save electricity? What a joke. They'll be fitting them on patio heaters next!

I think what he meant was they use less energy and hence fuel, thus reducing emissions.

Never mind they 'blind' other drivers to unlit vehicles, such as bikes and motorbikes, by losing them in the clutter of lights.

They do save electric and I do not think it will be long before all motors will have LED`s as standard fit besides DRL`s

I do not find DRL`s to be any worse than out of line headlights, and they should be fitted to the rear as well as front, they are in most cases easier to see in bright sunlight,which for pedestrians is a good thing, assuming, they look when they cross the road!

All - Daylight Running Lights - Andrew-T

<< I do not find DRL`s to be any worse than out of line headlights ... >>

If they are no better than that, I can only hope manufacturers find something better soon.

All - Daylight Running Lights - gordonbennet
Never mind they 'blind' other drivers to unlit vehicles, such as bikes and motorbikes, by losing them in the clutter of lights.

Couldn't have put it better, far too many lights of all sorts now and those who really should be seen are fast disappearing into the unceasing glare.

In normal daylight if someone can't see an approaching car/van/lorry unless its got fairy lights glittering away they'd be better off walking down the nick and handing their licence in.

On the subject of 'turn' foglights, my lorry has those, at first i thought them a bit of a gimmick, but in practice where the speed is low enough (only work below a certain speed, which i haven't noted) the additional light, especially where with an artic you sometimes have to make exaggerated turns in total darkness, is very useful.

The turn lights are in addition to the standard so-so fog lights, and very fit for purpose.

Fortunately the non-too-camp-by-a-mile DRL's fitted to the lorry are easily turned off via the menu.

Incidenatlly, all these lights are behind real glass clear lenses, haven't found glass lenses on a modern car for years, my old MB still on its original glass headlights which haven't needed polishing..:-)

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/11/2014 at 09:32

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

>>In normal daylight if someone can't see an approaching car/van/lorry unless its got fairy lights glittering away they'd be better off walking down the nick and handing their licence in.

DRL`s were meant to help poor sighted pedestrians see cars coming to prevent them walking into a motor, which apparently was common in Sweden IIRC, reason why they become law I think out there

I see no reason why they need to be so bright though, but not all are LED some are halogen not sure which are worse tbh.

I think they are better than sidelights though imo

All - Daylight Running Lights - HandCart

Sweden spends a lot of time with the sun low in the sky, so DRLs could indeed be of use there.

The most populous areas of Britain do not have such long periods of the sun being low in the sky, so DRLs are not a necessity here.

As Gordonbennet says, we do seem to be being assaulted by lights everywhere nowadays.

I happened to have seen really quite a number of cars this weekend with LED headlights, and was at least comforted to note (so far) that they don't seem to have any stray beams dazzling me.

The other problem with 'executive' HIDs is when they are just in a physically-high position on the car if it's an SUV: Ever had one of the brand-new Range Rovers behind you at some traffic lights? I could have staged a production of Gilbert & Sullivan in my car's cabin...

Then the other night I drew up behind some new Audi at some traffic lights. He had his foot on the brake pedal. Both my wife and I were just about to reach for our sunglasses (I'm not joking) when, fortunately, the traffic lights turned green.

Things just seem to be getting out of hand.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

Sweden spends a lot of time with the sun low in the sky, so DRLs could indeed be of use there.

The most populous areas of Britain do not have such long periods of the sun being low in the sky, so DRLs are not a necessity here.

As Gordonbennet says, we do seem to be being assaulted by lights everywhere nowadays.

I happened to have seen really quite a number of cars this weekend with LED headlights, and was at least comforted to note (so far) that they don't seem to have any stray beams dazzling me.

The other problem with 'executive' HIDs is when they are just in a physically-high position on the car if it's an SUV: Ever had one of the brand-new Range Rovers behind you at some traffic lights? I could have staged a production of Gilbert & Sullivan in my car's cabin...

Then the other night I drew up behind some new Audi at some traffic lights. He had his foot on the brake pedal. Both my wife and I were just about to reach for our sunglasses (I'm not joking) when, fortunately, the traffic lights turned green.

Things just seem to be getting out of hand.

Yes, I agree, your point about SUV`s, they are getting out of hand headlamps far too high and bright, Vans are the same,it`s about time all headlamps were the same height off the road

Lucky with the Civic having split rear screen, it diverts light away from rear view mirror to a certain degree

All - Daylight Running Lights - Andrew-T

<< Yes, I agree, your point about SUV`s, they are getting out of hand headlamps far too high and bright, Vans are the same,it`s about time all headlamps were the same height off the road >>

I agree. It won't happen though, the stylists call all the tunes.

All - Daylight Running Lights - Sofa Spud
Unfortunately all the points raised here is the sad state of affairs we now have imposed on us due to the a large section of the uneducated motoring public. If you are unable to see other cars in daylight without them displaying gaudy distracting (to others) DRL's then you shouldn't be driving..

It's not just about drivers - what about pedestrians? We can't expect all pedestrians to have perfect vision or be totally on the ball.

And anyway we've all had the occasional scary situation behind the wheel when we didn't see something until the last minute. Even good drivers with good eyesight are susceptible to visual deceptions.

All - Daylight Running Lights - galileo

Are you sure they were foglights and not DRLs?

Many modern cars switch on one foglight when turning, if the lights are on. It's supposed to illuminate the direction the car's turning.

Definitely foglights, straight road, no turnings, the car wasn't new enough to have DRLs.

All - Daylight Running Lights - focussed

The other day I saw a driving school car with dipped headlights and foglights on. The day was bright and clear so no need for foglights (which, per Highway Code rule 236 are only legal in fog or falling snow).

To add to this failure to correctly instruct the pupil, only one foglight was working, so poor maintenance as well. With this standard of instruction it is no wonder so many drivers misuse lights.

Having been an instructor I can confirm that it is not always possible to see what a pupil is fumbling about with and don't forget on most cars you can't see the dash display clearly from the passenger's seat. Leaning across to have a look is a complete no-no due to personal space issues etc .At one time after having a run of difficult pupils I did consider making a small set of tell tale led's mounted in the passenger's side footwell to discreetly display to me what was switched on and what wasn't.

All - Daylight Running Lights - Alanovich

Has anyone elses sen this new TV advert for Audi, demonstrating their "matrix beam" technology which enables drivers to leave their High Beam on at all times by detecting oncoming traffic and diverting the beam?

Anyone else think this is utterly ludicrous? What about pedestrians? What about cyclists it can't "detect"? Why are we encouraging the most inconsiderate, oafish and exhibitionist drivers in the country to leave their main beams on permanently?

I despair. I hate Audi. Truly I do.

All - Daylight Running Lights - Sofa Spud

If the Audi dipping system works OK then I can't see the problem.

Weren't there self-dipping headlights in the USA decades ago?

Edited by Sofa Spud on 25/11/2014 at 17:52

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

If the Audi dipping system works OK then I can't see the problem.

Weren't there self-dipping headlights in the USA decades ago?

patented in the sixties I think, called self dimming

All - Daylight Running Lights - Hamsafar

What about pedestrians? What about cyclists it can't "detect"? Why are we encouraging the most inconsiderate, oafish and exhibitionist drivers in the country to leave their main beams on permanently?

But the whole point is that there is no main beam, it is adaptive lighting.

Cyclists and pedestrians are masked and if they are on course with the driver's current path then a single emitter strobes very fast at them for a second to highlight them to the driver and warn them of approaching traffic.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqgcnXtCPPk&spfreload=...0

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

What about pedestrians? What about cyclists it can't "detect"? Why are we encouraging the most inconsiderate, oafish and exhibitionist drivers in the country to leave their main beams on permanently?

But the whole point is that there is no main beam, it is adaptive lighting.

Cyclists and pedestrians are masked and if they are on course with the driver's current path then a single emitter strobes very fast at them for a second to highlight them to the driver and warn them of approaching traffic.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqgcnXtCPPk&spfreload=...0

I think that is missing the point, glare from those lights is enough to dazzle without the beam being directed at the eye, you can be dazzled by a floodlight even though its not directly facing you, these headlights didn`t seem any different to me

If its wet the light will be reflected anyway, the only one to benefit is the driver no one else

All - Daylight Running Lights - Avant

No need to despair, Alanovich. I'm sure Audi aren't going to deny the driver the means of overriding the automation (i.e. the switch) when (s)he sees a pedestrian or cyclist. But most of the time, it's one less thing for the driver to do, with more chance of concentrating on the road.

There are plenty of useless features on cars which answer problems that never existed (electronic parking brakes, separate starter buttons, tyre "repair" gunk etc.) but this is one of the more sensible ones - provided it works. I wouldn't fancy it on a French or Italian car.

All - Daylight Running Lights - skidpan

There are plenty of useless features on cars which answer problems that never existed.

I know this is off topic but just been starting to make a shortlist of possible replacements for the wife Ceed SW. It needs to be a similar size, petrol turbo with at least 130 PS and less than 129 CO's, not have these daft pressure sensors in the tyres, have a propper hand brake, have space for a full size spare and have cruise and climate fitted. Not difficult to complile a long list but most soon get kicked off for one reason or another, trust me its a very short list now.

One we originally included was the Peugeot 308 SW 130 THP. Exterior similar size, much bigger boot, petrol turbo 109 CO's, plenty of space for a full size spare, cruise and climate fitted. It all fell down when I found it had these b***** silly pressure sensors and an electronic handbrake on the engine and trim spec we wanted. Then I found another stupid feature it has. Instead of having knobs to adjust the climate control Peugeot have "wisely" decided to dispense with them and place the controls on the 9" screen which means when you want to adjust the temp etc you have to scroll through a multitude of menus first to find the option (if you havn't crashed first). Why, whats wrong with a knob, according to the blurb its to remove clutter from the dash. Who decides a knob is "clutter".

All - Daylight Running Lights - HandCart

Well, you've got to have something to occupy yourself with, haven't you, while you no longer have to switch the headlights between main and dipped, and the Active Cruise and Lane Departure and Auto Park systems are taking care of avoiding cyclists and pedestrians for you...

All - Daylight Running Lights - bolt

Well, you've got to have something to occupy yourself with, haven't you, while you no longer have to switch the headlights between main and dipped, and the Active Cruise and Lane Departure and Auto Park systems are taking care of avoiding cyclists and pedestrians for you...

Well you wont need to drive yourself at all soon, just let the computers do it all lol

All - Daylight Running Lights - madf

as the Peugeot 308 SW 130 THP. Exterior similar size, much bigger boot, petrol turbo 109 CO's, plenty of space for a full size spare, cruise and climate fitted. It all fell down when I found it had these b***** silly pressure sensors and an electronic handbrake on the engine and trim spec we wanted. Then I found another stupid feature it has. Instead of having knobs to adjust the climate control Peugeot have "wisely" decided to dispense with them and place the controls on the 9" screen which means when you want to adjust the temp etc you have to scroll through a multitude of menus first to find the option (if you havn't crashed first). Why, whats wrong with a knob, according to the blurb its to remove clutter from the dash. Who decides a knob is "clutter".

Ask yourself this: how long before teh electronics fail?

I would not like to own a 7 years old or more one...

All - Daylight Running Lights - skidpan

as the Peugeot 308 SW 130 THP. Exterior similar size, much bigger boot, petrol turbo 109 CO's, plenty of space for a full size spare, cruise and climate fitted. It all fell down when I found it had these b***** silly pressure sensors and an electronic handbrake on the engine and trim spec we wanted. Then I found another stupid feature it has. Instead of having knobs to adjust the climate control Peugeot have "wisely" decided to dispense with them and place the controls on the 9" screen which means when you want to adjust the temp etc you have to scroll through a multitude of menus first to find the option (if you havn't crashed first). Why, whats wrong with a knob, according to the blurb its to remove clutter from the dash. Who decides a knob is "clutter".

Ask yourself this: how long before teh electronics fail?

I would not like to own a 7 years old or more one...

That's one other reason its not on the very short list.

All - Daylight Running Lights - Avant

You do wonder whether these designers actually drive the cars with their design features in them. That Peugeot feature Skidpan describes is not only idiotic, it's potentially dangerous.

Skidpan, it sounds as if you could end up as a two-SEATer family: the Leon ST 1.4 TSI must meet most if not all of your wife's needs, and there's always the similarly-powered Octavia estate if she needs more room.

All - Daylight Running Lights - skidpan

Skidpan, it sounds as if you could end up as a two-SEATer family: the Leon ST 1.4 TSI must meet most if not all of your wife's needs, and there's always the similarly-powered Octavia estate if she needs more room.

The Leon ST 1.4 TSi is indeed on the shortlist with reservations. The 140 PS engine like mine has been deleted and replaced with a 125 PS in the SE and a 150 PS in the FR. Don't really want the 125 PS since the 140 PS is so good but equally don't really fancy the FR 150 with this daft cylinder deactivation stuff, something else to go wrong. Added to that the FR has 17" wheels and lowered sports suspension neither of which I want. And don't forget that we have yet to find a good local Seat dealer, tried 3, all numpties.

Not looked at the Octavia yet but it appears to tick every box. The 1.4 TSi SE is 140 PS and when the AC is upgraded and a steering wheel with remotes added it fulfills all our needs. But we have read a couple of road tests that say the suspension is very noisy and when I think back to the last Octavia I tested that had incredibly noisy suspension, painfully so. Need a long road test to convince me totally and again find a good dealer, the 2 local ones were total numpties in 2010.

That basically leaves the Ford Focus 1.5T estate but that has electronic tyre sensors and was too small back in 2010, don't think its any bigger now.

So the Skoda is hot favourite (excuse the pun) but if its noisy they can forget it, don't want a noisy car for our twice a year Scotland trip.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bintang

Are DLRs compulsory on all modern cars? I was surprised to find them on my budget Hyundai i10 S Air, new in July, especialy as costs have been cut and only manual keys are catered for.

Another oddly upmarket addition is a tyre pressure dash warning light. The dealer has had a lot of calls about these as it is not explained in the handbook. It seems the light has been triggered by recent low ambient temperatures.

All - Daylight Running Lights - skidpan

Are DLRs compulsory on all modern cars?

In a word yes.

Been compulsary on new models for a couple of years but now compulsary on every new car sold.

All - Daylight Running Lights - bathtub tom

Are DLRs compulsory on all modern cars?

In a word yes.

Since when? My 14 reg hasn't got them.

I understand tyre pressure monitors are becoming compulsory soon.

All - Daylight Running Lights - skidpan

Are DLRs compulsory on all modern cars?

In a word yes.

Since when? My 14 reg hasn't got them.

Read my last post

Been compulsary on new models for a couple of years but now compulsary on every new car sold.

I suspect your 14 plate car was a model introduced before the rules say it must have them.

I understand tyre pressure monitors are becoming compulsory soon.

All cars registered after 01 November this year have to be fitted with a tyre pressure monitoring system

My last 3 cars have has such a sytem, no big deal. It probably saved me one new tyre when i got a nail in the tread.

All - Daylight Running Lights - Avant

Forgive my ignorance, Skidpan, but posibly others may be confused as well.

I agree with you about the usefulness of tyre pressure monitoring systems, but what are "these daft pressure sensors in the tyres" that you don't like a few posts up? Is this something actually attached to the valve as opposed to showing on the dashboard?

All - Daylight Running Lights - Avant

Don't bother Skidpan - I've now read the thread on low-profile tyres where you've explained the difference admirably!

All - Daylight Running Lights - daveyjp
I've just followed a dark grey Evoque for 4 miles on a 50mph road with no street lights. There was no lighting at all on the rear.

At a set of lights I pulled alongside and advised the silver surfer motorist that he had no lights on. His answer was 'yes I have, the dash is lit up' and drove off!
 

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