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If you complied with the bus lane while entering the site, but forgot about it when leaving, then tough. Would you expect to have a speed limit sign there too, so that you knew what the limit was ?
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If you complied with the bus lane while entering the site, but forgot about it when leaving, then tough. Would you expect to have a speed limit sign there too, so that you knew what the limit was ?
Ignoring the needless snarcy tone of your post:
The other side of the road is a bus lane, but permits access to the site only.
goo.gl/maps/jhpjB
It seems you have to go right out of the underground car park and continue down this road. There is a big BUS AND CYCLES only sign to the right though, and no council provided signs that a left turn is prohibited.
goo.gl/maps/jtfg3
So you can't go right, and you can't go left.
Edited by mss1tw on 22/10/2014 at 16:49
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Where did you get 'done' , on entering or exiting?
According to your linked photo of the exit, you're not allowed to turn right, so you have to turn left and proceed to the roundabout. On the photos at least, I can't see anything that says you can't turn left.
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Where did you get 'done' , on entering or exiting?
According to your linked photo of the exit, you're not allowed to turn right, so you have to turn left and proceed to the roundabout. On the photos at least, I can't see anything that says you can't turn left.
I'm wondering now. I defintely turned left the most recent time I was there.
The first time I'd done a 5k run in the morning then had to hot foot immediately it from Surrey to Bham as someone had done a 'no show'. I honestly can't remember which way I went the first time. It was a hell of a day.
Edited by mss1tw on 22/10/2014 at 17:16
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haha!! Something we've all wanted to say to Skidpan at some point.
To be fair, you've no chance, I did the same thing in salford, straight onto a bus lane from a turning, camera placed to maximise revenue. I moved out the lane within about 5 seconds, but got NIP in the post, Tried to appeal, off the record they agreed with me fully, on the record, my own fault, there is a tiny sign within 50ft or something.
Take it on the chin, and hand over your cash to the b**tards.
Edited by leef on 22/10/2014 at 16:40
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haha!! Something we've all wanted to say to Skidpan at some point.
To be fair, you've no chance, I did the same thing in salford, straight onto a bus lane from a turning, camera placed to maximise revenue. I moved out the lane within about 5 seconds, but got NIP in the post, Tried to appeal, off the record they agreed with me fully, on the record, my own fault, there is a tiny sign within 50ft or something.
Take it on the chin, and hand over your cash to the b**tards.
There'll be another one along in a week then.
£60 + £30 = I made £200 for two Saturdays work and drove 500 miles for the priviledge.
Edited by mss1tw on 22/10/2014 at 16:44
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My tone in my previous reply was snarky ?
Damn, but you've really never met me in real life. I'll put it a bit more bluntly.
You are supposed to use your eyes, and your observation skills, which you have honed through tens of thousands of miles of driving. If you are unable to do that, and to comply with the law, then suck it up, princess, and pay up. If you really, truly believe that they are in the wrong, then appeal. If not, then can it, and quit whining.
That snarky enough for you ? because my original reply was positively civilised, in my opinion.
As said, if you feel they are in the wrong, being sneaky, etc. then appeal. Take it all the way to the independent appeals tribunal. I do seem to recall a council (quite possibly Birmingham) being directed to refund a load of bus lane fines due to poor signage, that happened just a few months ago, or maybe last year.
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My tone in my previous reply was snarky ?
Damn, but you've really never met me in real life. I'll put it a bit more bluntly.
Internet hard man. Would love to meet you in real life.
As said, if you feel they are in the wrong, being sneaky, etc. then appeal. Take it all the way to the independent appeals tribunal. I do seem to recall a council (quite possibly Birmingham) being directed to refund a load of bus lane fines due to poor signage, that happened just a few months ago, or maybe last year.
I am appealing. The original point was that if the appeal is declined, they decide to forfeit the original £30 and go for the full £60. That seems very unfair.
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haha!! Something we've all wanted to say to Skidpan at some point
And now for something I have wanted to say for ages to some on here.
Edited by Avant on 22/10/2014 at 20:45
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haha!! Something we've all wanted to say to Skidpan at some point
And now for something I have wanted to say for ages to some on here.
Been edited by the mods. PM me, would love to hear it.
Edited by leef on 23/10/2014 at 11:33
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I got caught in a bus lane in Bradford a few years ago, at the time I was unfarmiliar with the area and drove where I shouldnt have done. I got the pcn through the post, paid the £30 as opposed to the £70 if I had appealed. I was bang to rights, so I took the cheap option, couldn't be bothered with the hassle of trying to appeal. Did a couple of hours overtime at work to recoup the money and resolved to exercise more caution in future.
Good luck with your appeal!
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I got caught in a bus lane in Bradford a few years ago, at the time I was unfarmiliar with the area and drove where I shouldnt have done. I got the pcn through the post, paid the £30 as opposed to the £70 if I had appealed. I was bang to rights, so I took the cheap option, couldn't be bothered with the hassle of trying to appeal. Did a couple of hours overtime at work to recoup the money and resolved to exercise more caution in future.
Good luck with your appeal!
Cheers Mick! Just cancelled all my charity direct debits to pay for it. Karma is indeed, a b****. ;-)
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I am most disappointed with the tone of two Forum members in response to a long standing third member who has asked for some advice. Yes, we are expected to use our eyes and knowledge, but the circumstances are such that most of us will be caught out by such Council trickery at some point. It is a case "there but for the grace of god etc etc".
Spending a little time on other fora, the HJ BackRoom is an oasis of calm and restraint. Yes some of us are a bit know it all and some refuse to take good honest advice when sought, but agressive and unhelpful comments are inappropriate when you know full well you would not say the same thing to an aquaintance face to face.
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I am most disappointed with the tone of two Forum members in response to a long standing third member who has asked for some advice. Yes, we are expected to use our eyes and knowledge, but the circumstances are such that most of us will be caught out by such Council trickery at some point. It is a case "there but for the grace of god etc etc".
Spending a little time on other fora, the HJ BackRoom is an oasis of calm and restraint. Yes some of us are a bit know it all and some refuse to take good honest advice when sought, but agressive and unhelpful comments are inappropriate when you know full well you would not say the same thing to an aquaintance face to face.
Two people, myself and skidpan, posted replies. They may not heve been to the OPs liking, so he drops to direct, blunt insults, in one case calling skidpan (an obscenity).
So who, exactly, are you disappointed with ? And who, exactly, are you saying would (or should) not say the same 'aggressive and unhelpful' things face-to-face ?
Edited by Avant on 22/10/2014 at 20:46
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Whilst I am not excusing the OP's response to Skidpan's reply, lets just take a step back for a moment,
The OP is bound to feel aggrieved that he has got a council pursuing him for a considerable amount of his earnings for that day, after straying into a bus lane for a little while. Hardly a major offence after all.
He asked for advice, and got a response that he, and I suspect many others, found unhelpful and maybe a little provocative.
If people have to criticise others, keep it constructive. Its no suprise that people don't post again with blunt replies to questions like that.
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I got done by a camera for going through a red light to let a police car on blue lights through.
I consider so called justice in this country a complete and utter joke.
All the basics of normal decency have broken down, and the authorities busy themselves chasing decent people for doing the right thing.
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The £60/30 thing is actually quite simple.
The fine for the infringement is £60.
If you know you're in the wrong you can cop a 50% reduction for coming clean and paying up promptly. If you're in doubt or a chancer the 50% rate is there to tempt or divert you from the path of frivolous and time wasting appeals, same principle as paying the fixed penalty (with or without points) -v- contesting before the beak for moving traffic offences.
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Nice editing Avant. When there was yobbish behaviour at school, the teachers were never interested in who started it!
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I'm saying 100% you wouldn't say it my face, your a gobby keyboard warrior, nothing more or less, and we all know about skidpan, but I'm used to him, its just his "way". I think somebody got it right when they called you an "internet hardman".
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