Any - Tax Discs - Ben 10

Displaying tax discs will be a thing of the past within 6 weeks. Starting 1st. October.

I've seen reports in the press and motoring media with the usual Q&As but one hasn't been answered yet. My query is, will you still get a reminder letter to renew, and will you be able to pay via phone as now? Or will it be an email or text from DVLA? Or will the onus be on us to keep tabs on dates/renewel?

When you sell a car, the remainder of the tax is not transferrable. So the buyer will have to get it taxed before driving off. The owner gets a refund when DVLA told they are no longer keeper. So the DVLA has two sets of money sitting in their account until the former keeper gets the refund. Over a number of weeks can you imagine the amount of interest the DVLA are going to accrue across the country.

Any - Tax Discs - alan1302

The only thing that will chnage is that you won't have a physical tax disc to put in your car. Everything else stays the same.

Is the DVLA having a lot of money not a good thing when we own it? :-)

Any - Tax Discs - thunderbird

So the DVLA has two sets of money sitting in their account until the former keeper gets the refund.

Pesonally that has been the case for many years now and its never bothered me so not going to start worrying about it now. Bigger things to worry about especially since it only affects you when you swap cars which in my case is once every 4 or 5 years. And since my last few cars have been £30 a year to tax its only small sums involved and I have not bothered to send the old disc back, not sure if you can. Since I expect my next car to fall in an even lower bracket it will be even smaller sums.

Edited by thunderbird on 26/08/2014 at 14:24

Any - Tax Discs - YG2007

I predict an increase in the number of innocent motorists failing to renew their tax disc as they didn't see the renewal letter and didn't alternatively have the gentle reminder of the out of date tax discs staring at them. People struggle to remember to get their MOT done on cars without a reminder and often only realise they are out of test when they come to renew, their tax disc. The most important document for me is having insurance on your car so you can cover the cost of putting someone in a wheel chair etc.....

Fines/ points to reflect no insurance should be far higher

Any - Tax Discs - thunderbird

I predict an increase in the number of innocent motorists failing to renew their tax disc as they didn't see the renewal letter

As I understand it the syetem will remain exactly the same as it today but without a disc. You will still get a reminder letter but some people will choose simply to ignore it, that is their problem.

People struggle to remember to get their MOT done on cars without a reminder

The DVLA do a text reminder service for MOT's, costs £1.50. Our garage write to us about a month before the MOT is due, costs nothing.

The most important document for me is having insurance on your car so you can cover the cost of putting someone in a wheel chair etc.....

Wish i understood that comment.

Any - Tax Discs - bintang

>>The most important document for me is having insurance on your car so you can cover the cost of putting someone in a wheel chair etc.....

>>Wish i understood that comment

Presumably refers to third party cover

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

The most important document for me is having insurance on your car so you can cover the cost of putting someone in a wheel chair etc.....

Wish i understood that comment.

The main purpose of insurance is third party risks. If as a result of an at fault accident you cause life changing injury insurance will compensate the victim. Paraplegia is one possibility; brain injury to a promising young computer wizz or doctor is millions in lost earnings before you start on calculating care costs.

Any - Tax Discs - RickyBoy

...'People' need to be more organized then!

Get a diary/write stuff in it:

CAR A
Insurance expires; 00/00/0000
MOT expires: 00/00/0000
RFL expires: 00/00/0000

CAR B;
CAR C;
repeat to fade...

Any - Tax Discs - RT

...'People' need to be more organized then!

Get a diary/write stuff in it:

CAR A
Insurance expires; 00/00/0000
MOT expires: 00/00/0000
RFL expires: 00/00/0000

CAR B;
CAR C;
repeat to fade...

But then people need a reminder to look in the diary!

Any - Tax Discs - Pebble

Dumb question about tax discs: What happens to expired ones, do you turn them in or are they just thrown out? If it's the latter, could I have an old one to stick in my car window?

Any - Tax Discs - Doc

Dumb question about tax discs: What happens to expired ones, do you turn them in or are they just thrown out?

Interest in collecting expired tax discs is called "velology"

See:

www.velology.com/

Any - Tax Discs - RickyBoy
Ah, there's bound to be an 'App' for that, surely?
Any - Tax Discs - Bolt

Can always pay by direct debit,IF you want to!

Any - Tax Discs - KenMavor
Put it all on some online calendar....like google and set up reminders for your email address and mobile phone.

Then you get reminders for it all.
Any - Tax Discs - carr

...'People' need to be more organized then!

Get a diary/write stuff in it:

CAR A
Insurance expires; 00/00/0000
MOT expires: 00/00/0000
RFL expires: 00/00/0000

CAR B;
CAR C;
repeat to fade...

How about adopting the French method? Insurance and MOT stamps displayed in windscreen, no road tax.

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

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How about adopting the French method? Insurance and MOT stamps displayed in windscreen, no road tax.

I think they have a taxdisc similar to ours now; one of Mr Hollande's innovations?

Any - Tax Discs - carr

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How about adopting the French method? Insurance and MOT stamps displayed in windscreen, no road tax.

I think they have a taxdisc similar to ours now; one of Mr Hollande's innovations?

You think wrong, the tax 'vignette' disappeared years ago and was replaced by an extra tax on fuel. This is why those of us living in France are currently paying £1 a litre for diesel.

Outrageous!

Any - Tax Discs - focussed

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How about adopting the French method? Insurance and MOT stamps displayed in windscreen, no road tax.

I think they have a taxdisc similar to ours now; one of Mr Hollande's innovations?

You think wrong, the tax 'vignette' disappeared years ago and was replaced by an extra tax on fuel. This is why those of us living in France are currently paying £1 a litre for diesel.

Outrageous!

True that there is no road tax vignette in France since 2003, but if you register anything in France that produces more than 250 gr/km of co2 as well as being screwed for a fortune to register it you will get a yearly bill for €160 from the French taxman to teach you a lesson for daring to ruin the planet.

Any - Tax Discs - Avant

Sounds like a good thing to me. You renew online on the due date but don't have the worry that the disc may get lost in the post.

Any - Tax Discs - Snakey

Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of tax discs, and road tax and then the DVLA who I rate in the same category as the tv licensing scumbags.

Fuel tax is more than capable of replacing the road tax and is completely unavoidable and doesn't need some overbloated government organisation to maintain it.

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

Fuel tax will not replicate main function of DVLA - records of vehicle ownership and drivers' licences.

Any - Tax Discs - Ben 10

Yes, but you could cut that part of the DVLA and still keep the licensing section, thus saving money for the tax payer. I think road tax incorporated within fuel is sensible. The more you use the roads the more you contribute. A fair way. And still pay less for smaller engine sizes.

Any - Tax Discs - skidpan

Fuel tax is more than capable of replacing the road tax and is completely unavoidable and doesn't need some overbloated government organisation to maintain it.

I used to be a strong advocate of that school ofthought but today it simply would not work.

1000's of people have bought low emmsion cars that cost between £0 and £30 a year to tax.

The extra tax on fuel would need to be set at a level that raises the same £'s as the current system. Lets say for the sake of arguement that is £0.20 per litre.

The average owner of a large dirty 4 x 4 car that does 25 mpg and 10,000 miles a year would pay an extra £364 a year in tax which is less than the £485 or £500 they are currently paying. If they do less miles (like many of the school run mums) they will be well in pocket.

At the other end of the spectrum take me. I do 8000 miles a year at about 45 mpg. £0.20 per litre would cost me an extra £162 a year instead of the £30 I am currently paying, I would be furious.

People who do large mileages in any of the £0 a year cars they have recently bought would be even more angry.

Argue against that please.

Any - Tax Discs - alan1302

If the money the tax raised got spent on the roads then I would say paying per mile would be best but as most of the revenue ends up elsewhere then it is unfair to be taxed per mile.

Any - Tax Discs - RT

Argue against that please.

Fuel tax is fair in the sense that those with bigger, heavier, more polluting vehicles pay more while those with smaller, lighter, less polluting vehicles pay less - of course everyone complains about the level of fuel tax, just like they complain about the level of every tax.

It used to be said that the act of retaxing a vehicle gave a very useful check that the vehicle was insured - but that's now superceded by continuous insurance requirement and ANPR enforcement - so we should abolish VED and make redundant all the civil servants administering the scheme and changing IT systems each budget, that way we would see a real saving in government expenditure to balance the loss in revenue from no VED.

Any - Tax Discs - Snakey

Thats the sort of 'green argument that' got us in the diesel obsessed mess we're in now!

Drive more,use more fuel, pay more tax. Simplest system around.

The VED tax bands are stupid anyway. People driving lovely clean diesels (tongue firmly in cheek) paying low tax bands when the evil nasty people in the 4x4s (that argument died in the 90's surely?) pay more doesn't make any sense - diesels pollute as much as petrols but just in different way.

If we all paid VED via the road tax then people would gravitate to the most efficient car for their needs, high mileage users would still go for diesel, low mileage users for petrol and everything else in between.

I don't see how current VED makes sense in any shape or form. You don't pay a tax on your gas boiler but you aim to get the most efficient one you can to keeps the running costs down.

Any - Tax Discs - Falkirk Bairn

From a Government perspective Taxes should be progressive and easily collected.

RFL is neither -

The cost is fixed as per model of the car - penalises low mileage users unfairly. - also larger cars go for scrap as the RFL £400+ might be the value of the car.

Collecting is expensive in that there are costs of collecting/administering small payments of £30-£500 or 6 monthly version.

Because of the cost many try to "not pay" RFL and for a period may get away with it.

Maybe better to transfer the RFL to the cost of petrol BUT still maintain the checks on MoT and Insurance with a "CAR CHECK" - say £10.00 per year @ the post office - the Insurance disk fitting in the redundant RFL disk holder. Large fine of say £250 for non compliance. Small fee & LARGE fine would stop people dodging the MoT/Insurance Check!. We do not have enough ANPR systems/Police to enforce - witness a local village where dark mornings/dark evenings has people using unlicenced / uninsured cars that are unlikely to be spotted.

The police in our area only seem to monitor traffic on nice sunny days rather than get wet and cold in winter.

Instead of collecting millions of RFL payments from the man in the street they would simply get 20/30 x Oil Companies to write a bigger cheque once a month and 1 x cheque from the post office each month.

Any - Tax Discs - Smileyman

It should be as an compulsory add on with insurance - cancel insurance and cancel tax disc at the same time, - then make all vehicles display an insurance disc instead of a tax disc

Any - Tax Discs - alan1302

It should be as an compulsory add on with insurance - cancel insurance and cancel tax disc at the same time, - then make all vehicles display an insurance disc instead of a tax disc

You wouldn't need an insuance disc

Any - Tax Discs - Trilogy

ANPR - only good for the dishonest. :(

Any - Tax Discs - carr

People who do large mileages in any of the £0 a year

...are not contributing anything to the congestion, pollution, wear and tear they are causing with their large mileages. How is that fair?

Edited by carr on 30/08/2014 at 12:59

Any - Tax Discs - pd

The whole VED system is in terrible trouble. The £0-£30 virtually nothing to tax thing has been far more successful than they imagined.

With an ever increasing number of cars falling into that bracket and the older ones going off the road in a few years time the whole VED system will raise less than it costs to run.

Enjoy cheap to tax cars whilst they last - there is absolutely no way it is going to stay like that.

Any - Tax Discs - skidpan

The whole VED system is in terrible trouble.

Please explain.

Looks to work OK to me.

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

Just taxed Mrs B's 2013/63 Berlingo 1.6/115PS HDi for £130.

A lot less then I pay for my 2005/05 1.9D/68PS version.

Any - Tax Discs - pd

The whole VED system is in terrible trouble.

Please explain.

Looks to work OK to me.

Because revenues are collapsing. When they introduced the cheap road tax bands they never imagined that so many car manufacturers would make cars in these bands and so many people would buy them.

Therefore, year on year, as car costing nearly £300 to tax are replaced on the road with ones costing £30 or less total tax take drops and the drop is going to significantly accerate.

There is currently a review going on regarding road tax and you can except all the goal posts to be moved again in terms of which cars are cheap to tax.

Any - Tax Discs - Auristocrat

The obvious target for vehicle tax increases will be diesel cars - due to the higher levels of nitrogen dioxide they produce.

Any - Tax Discs - RT

The obvious target for vehicle tax increases will be diesel cars - due to the higher levels of nitrogen dioxide they produce.

Older ones, yes - Euro 6 diesel NOx limit has been slashed to not much more than petrol.

Any - Tax Discs - artill

The issue with diesel emissions seems not to be so much when they are new, but that they now appear to get much worse than predicted as they get older. Who knows if euro 6 will be any different.

Any - Tax Discs - skidpan

The issue with diesel emissions seems not to be so much when they are new, but that they now appear to get much worse than predicted as they get older. Who knows if euro 6 will be any different.

That applies to any car, diesel or petrol, if its not been serviced regularly or correctly. The highest mileage I have ever done in a car was 113,000 from new in a Golf. After the first service I did all the maintenance (to the VW schedule using VW parts and lubricants) myself and never had a problem at the MOT. A few weeks before I sold the car I was stopped at a roadside emmisions check, the operator was amazed they were so low on a car with that number of miles.

Another factor with diesels is owners who fit these tuning boxes that alledgedly produce lots of power and better economy but in reality all they appear to do is produce huge amounts of smoke when the owners boot the car.

And don't forget the DPF. Of the 6 diesels we have owned 4 have smoke when accelerated fast and 2 have not. Those 2 have been fitted with DPF's. Take off the DPF and I can 100% guarantee they would smoke.

At least DPF removal is hopefully a thing of the past if MOT garages do their jobs correctly.

Any - Tax Discs - pd

All the current emissions are a bit of a con. In reality, cars are not really much "cleaner" or more economical than those of 10 or 15 years ago.

All that has happened is that more advanced engine managment has made it easier for them to do well in the very simple EU test.

Where I think VED is a bit silly is that you have Mr & Mrs Retired doing 2500 miles a year in their £800 Mondeo 1.8 which does 35mpg and costs nearly £300 to tax.

You then have a £35k BMW 520d driven by Mr Salesperson for 20,000 a year which costs £30 or less.

That isn't really fair as it is quite clear who "pollutes" the most.

Any - Tax Discs - RT

All the current emissions are a bit of a con. In reality, cars are not really much "cleaner" or more economical than those of 10 or 15 years ago.

All that has happened is that more advanced engine managment has made it easier for them to do well in the very simple EU test.

Where I think VED is a bit silly is that you have Mr & Mrs Retired doing 2500 miles a year in their £800 Mondeo 1.8 which does 35mpg and costs nearly £300 to tax.

You then have a £35k BMW 520d driven by Mr Salesperson for 20,000 a year which costs £30 or less.

That isn't really fair as it is quite clear who "pollutes" the most.

It's made fair by the amount of fuel duty paid - none of us can escape that.

Any - Tax Discs - pd

It's made fair by the amount of fuel duty paid - none of us can escape that.

Then just drop it and put it on fuel and make it entirely fair.

It isn't even an insurance check anymore so, apart from being a non-progressive tax which costs a lot to adminster, what is the point of it?

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

It isn't even an insurance check anymore so, apart from being a non-progressive tax which costs a lot to adminster, what is the point of it?

Seems reasonable enough for tax on vehicles to combine both fixed element (VED) and progressive (Fuel Duty). VED shouldn't cost a lot to administer as vehicle is registered and easily detected if being used on road.

I suspect though that we will see fixed element moved away from being related to emmissions as mfrs have 'gamed' result and a fixed charge of say £100-200 pa would be fairer.

Any - Tax Discs - andyfr

At least DPF removal is hopefully a thing of the past if MOT garages do their jobs correctly.


In the local paper recently there was an advert for DPF removal, they also do MOTs.

Any - Tax Discs - Smileyman

just renewed the car tax online .... looking forwards to receiving one of the stopgap style discs that has not been perforated - the question is come 1st October do I need to display the disc?

Any - Tax Discs - Auristocrat

Copied from the DVLA website:

If you have any remaining months left on your current paper tax disc from 1 October 2014, you can either remove the tax disc from your vehicle or display the disc until it expires.

Any - Tax Discs - Smileyman

Thanks for the answer - I renewed on 31st and am looking forwards to receiving a 'non-perferated' disc, so want to remove it as soon as possible before someone else does it for me!

Any - Tax Discs - Trilogy

Apparently, this new system will save the government around £10 million, so they say. According to someone on the radio yesterday the new system will rake in between £150 and £200 million extra each year. As usual, it is the motorist losing out, as a result of another ill thought out change as opposed to improvement.

Any - Tax Discs - skidpan

According to someone on the radio yesterday the new system will rake in between £150 and £200 million extra each year. As usual, it is the motorist losing out, as a result of another ill thought out change as opposed to improvement.

Since the cost of VED is not increasing and the number of vehicles required to pay it is not changing the only way the new system will "rake in" and extra £150 to £200 million ayear is if the new system means motorists who currently don't bother paying have to start paying.

Anyone who currently pays their VED will not pay a single penny extra under the new system, I currently pay £30 and will pay £30 next time so how is the motorist loosing out.

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

Since the cost of VED is not increasing and the number of vehicles required to pay it is not changing the only way the new system will "rake in" and extra £150 to £200 million ayear is if the new system means motorists who currently don't bother paying have to start paying.

Anyone who currently pays their VED will not pay a single penny extra under the new system, I currently pay £30 and will pay £30 next time so how is the motorist loosing out.

I'm not a cynical as some about govt motivation but how much of gain is from (a) changes afffecting tax on sale, (b) fines - often issued administratively and without proper appeal - for those caught out and (c) additional cost for those who elect to pay by instalment/direct debit?

Any - Tax Discs - RT

I'm not a cynical as some about govt motivation but how much of gain is from .............(c) additional cost for those who elect to pay by instalment/direct debit?

That's always been the case - the other way round is that those of us who pay for a whole year up front with no collection costs should get a discount !

Any - Tax Discs - skidpan

I'm not a cynical as some about govt motivation but how much of gain is from (a) changes afffecting tax on sale, (b) fines - often issued administratively and without proper appeal - for those caught out and (c) additional cost for those who elect to pay by instalment/direct debit?

Join the real world.

a) There are no changes to the bands and prices

b) If you get caught pay up and stop moaning. If you get a fine that is incorrect appeal, I did after being sent a fine for not declaring SORN. Sent copies etc and fine was cancelled.

c) Same applies to many things we have to pay for. If its clearly shown what the extra costs are what is the problem. Its the customers choice then.

Any - Tax Discs - Bromptonaut

Join the real world.

a) There are no changes to the bands and prices

b) If you get caught pay up and stop moaning. If you get a fine that is incorrect appeal, I did after being sent a fine for not declaring SORN. Sent copies etc and fine was cancelled.

c) Same applies to many things we have to pay for. If its clearly shown what the extra costs are what is the problem. Its the customers choice then.

I'm firmly rooted in real world, it's just that I have a few queueries

(a) as I understand it there is a change around vehicle transfers and it will no longer be possible to sell a car with n months remaining tax. Is one effect of that an increase in tax take?

(b) The imposition of 'fines' or other penalties by administrative staff at very junior levels and without appeals that meet the fair/open/tranparent mantra is a concern from a liberty point of view.

(c) Not saying it's a problem I just like to know whether and to what extent it, rather than reduction in evasion, create the gain.

Any - Tax Discs - RickyBoy

ST Driving section reckons there'll be a huge increase in number-plate cloning now!

Their reporter bought duplicate plates online (Jersey) for £15.98, no questions asked, i.e. no proof of vehicle ownership requested/provided.

You're all going to need a Diary now just to know where you were/weren't on the day?...

Any - Tax Discs - skidpan

Their reporter bought duplicate plates online (Jersey) for £15.98, no questions asked, i.e. no proof of vehicle ownership requested/provided.

Not exactly news,

Go to any car show and there will be trailers where they make plates, no documents required. Known as Show Plates.

Go on the interweb. Loads of sites sell them. No documemnts required

Our local sign maker does show plates. No documents required.

I had a car cloned in 1984, 30 years ago now. Only became aparant after I PX'd it and the buyer tried to tax it 6 months later. It not a new practice.

Any - Tax Discs - RT

I always buy "showplates" with the correct font and spacing, for my caravan, it's a whole lot easier than going through hoops to identify myself as I have an old non-photo licence and I don't get paper utility bills because it's all done online.

Any - Tax Discs - alan1302

Apparently, this new system will save the government around £10 million, so they say. According to someone on the radio yesterday the new system will rake in between £150 and £200 million extra each year. As usual, it is the motorist losing out, as a result of another ill thought out change as opposed to improvement.

How do I lose out? I pay the same as I do now but don't need a disc in my windscreen.

Any - Tax Discs - Trilogy

Apparently, this new system will save the government around £10 million, so they say. According to someone on the radio yesterday the new system will rake in between £150 and £200 million extra each year. As usual, it is the motorist losing out, as a result of another ill thought out change as opposed to improvement.

How do I lose out? I pay the same as I do now but don't need a disc in my windscreen.

Quite clearly you don't buy privately.

Depends how you pay.

Any - Tax Discs - alan1302

Apparently, this new system will save the government around £10 million, so they say. According to someone on the radio yesterday the new system will rake in between £150 and £200 million extra each year. As usual, it is the motorist losing out, as a result of another ill thought out change as opposed to improvement.

How do I lose out? I pay the same as I do now but don't need a disc in my windscreen.

Quite clearly you don't buy privately.

Depends how you pay.

You just talking about the extra charges if you pay via Drct Debit or credit card?