Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - kuki

Hello All,

I am hoping for guidance towards the legitimacy of getting a ticket after a year of perhaps having committed a driving offence in Italy.

Last year on Aug 27th (27/08/2012) I had flown to Pisa and had rented a vehicle for 4 days.
All I can recollect about the car I rented was that it was a White small sized car.

I returned the car on the 30th at Venice Airport, from where I flew back home.

However few days back i.e. (14/09/2013) after more than 1 year, I have received a letter in the post from the Municipality of Pisa, stating that I had entered into a restricted traffic zone without authorisation. I am not able to agree or dispute on having committed this offence as I cannot really remember if I had been in the side street that is mentioned in the letter (Via Camozzo).

I also found it strange that the Italian authorities have dated this notice to me to have been written out on August 2, 2013 although the cover in which it came clearly has a posted stamp of Sept 7, 2013.

In the letter, they have also provided link to a site which is supposed to be photographic evidence; however this actually only shows the photo of a car and not the driver. Hence I cannot really tell if this is the same car as what I had rented and if I was actually the driver.

I have uploaded the notice, the envelope and snapshot of the evidence to the below link, with the hope to get advice on what should I be doing next.

http://s277.photobucket.com/user/kuki28_ph.../Painful%20Pisa


I am currently expected to pay a fine of 121 Euros within 60 days of receiving this notice, failing which it would be increased to 198 Euros.

Thank you in advance

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Armitage Shanks {p}

This may be a scam. In some countries the penalty notice is sent to the hire car company and they settle up and put the cost on your credit card, of which they still have details. It seems that the car hire company have been contacted as this is, presumably, how your address has been obtained. I suggest some Googling and a visit to Pepipoo site.

Loads of similar queries here, from a Google search. tinyurl.com/lfbat2x

4) In Italy, the authorities have up to one year after they have obtained the offender's details to issue a traffic ticket to an offender in a foreign country (unlike in Germany, for example, where there is a three month limit). Italian bureaucracy being what it is, the ticket usually does take a year or more to arrive. The first notice will be a "friendly" letter that arrives unregistered. The second notice will be registered.

The recipient of the ticket has 60 days to pay or appeal. You must appeal by writing in Italian to the Prefetto (Prefect) or Giudice di Pace (Justice of the Peace) of the appropriate Provincia. But don't plead ignorance - that won't work. You must present evidence that it was not you in the car or that you were driving to or from your hotel. If you don't pay or your appeal is dismissed, the amount is doubled.Contacting the office of a Prefetto can sometimes be done via email and or even via a web site form - you can see the form for Pisa here. "Codice della Strada" might be the appropriate subject header to choose in this case. To write to or fax the Pretetto or Justice of the Peace, here are the details for Pisa only:
- Prefect of Pisa, Piazza G. Mazzini, I-56127 Pisa, Italy or send a fax to this number 0039 050 549666.
- Justice of the Peace of Pisa, via Palestro 39, I-56127 Pisa, Italy.

5) Car rental agencies are obliged to and always do provide the traffic authorities with the name and address of the individual who rented the offending car. They charge the credit card of the renter a significant amount of money for doing this - sums ranging from 16 up to 50 euros have been mentioned.Many tourists who see this charge against their cards assume that it is payment of the fine itself, but in fact it is only the administrative charge from the car rental company. Note that this fee might be listed in two parts - the charge and the sales tax (IVA, 20%). Don't mistake the IVA for the admin fee and the admin fee for the fine. The reason the rental agencies now have the right to collect this fee is because such a high charge for identifying motorists made it uneconomic for the municipalities to pursue them when it was the municipalities that had to pay the fee.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Mike H

This may be a scam.

But may not be, given item 4 that you quote. And what was the date of the alleged offence?

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Collos25

There is no current agreement with Italy to collect road fines.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Big John

"There is no current agreement with Italy to collect road fines."

Except the car was an Italian hire car not a UK car. I had a friend in this situation and the letters kept coming and getting more threatening and expensive. He tried to avoid this but eventually had to pay ( a lot more).

Beware thinking the hire car company is passing the fine on. They usually charge for simply providing your details.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Collos25

If its genuine they will take the money direct from your credit card the fine is issued to the Hire car company .

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Big John

"If its genuine they will take the money direct from your credit card the fine is issued to the Hire car company . "

The hire car company will charge an admin fee for handling the request to your credit card. They will not usually pay your fine as this would imply guilt. In-fact beware some people think that the fee charged to a credit card is the fine - it's not - it's usually just the start of your troubles.

The person I know who had this problem was actually being done for stopping briefly in a bus lane (in Florence I think). He remembers doing this but didn't realise he had been spotted on camera.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Colin_r

I also think this is a scam, I've heard about it before. I have hired many cars in foreign countries but never had this problem (luckily). I always use discount codes from www.voucherbox.co.uk/ for renting a car. It's cheap and maybe voucherbox could help when problems occur?

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Simon

If you still have the same credit card that you used with the hire company, cancel it. Then just ignore their correspondence.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - martint123

Cancelling a credit card does not cancel any charges made to it.

As found by those who thought they could cancel automatic renewals for insurance or the AA/RAC etc.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Simon

I'm confused, how can they charge a card that you have cancelled and no longer exists?

Edited by Simon on 29/09/2013 at 18:56

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - FP

"how can they charge a card that you have cancelled and no longer exists?"

The previous posts are not entirely clear. The point is that you can't actually cancel a credit card account if there are outstanding charges on it - for example, you have used the card to purchase insurance and have agreed in the small print that your account will be automatically charged again when the time comes to renew, or as in the case under discussion.

Edited by FP on 29/09/2013 at 20:11

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - SusanneS

Hello,

I just read about all the trouble you have concerning fines in Italy.

Have a look at this website about access regulations in Europe: www.urbanaccessregulations.eu.

It is funded by the European Union.

Italy, for example, has them in more than 200 cities. If you enter a ZTL (limited access zone) without permission you pay at least 85€, often more!

They also offer information about low emission zones and charging schemes in Italy as well as the rest of Europe.

I hope this can help to avoid costly fines in the future.:-)

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - Ethan Edwards

2013? It's deja vu time all over again.

Send the Italians a picture of wads of Euros and tell them to keep the change.

Italian Driving Fines...what to do? - nick62

2013? It's deja vu time all over again.

Send the Italians a picture of wads of Euros and tell them to keep the change.

I received an almost identical fine one January for a similar "offence" in Vicenza from the prevoius August. I had been somewhat lost in the city during this time, so did not dispute their claim, however, there was no proof I had received their letter, so I purposely DID NOT log-in/visit the website URL provided in the letter, (thus they can see you have received their demand).

The next step was the study shredder.

I have subsequently hired cars several times whilst in Italy, so far without recourse.

Edited by nick62 on 13/07/2015 at 22:43