SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

My wife's 53 reg 9-5 2.3t estate is super in so many ways - not least safety.

However, costs are looming with turbos, bodywork (dents, scratches, not rust), and other commestibles requiring attention.

I have costed out the work that I think that will be needed, and I know that it will be a considerably higher sum than the car is now worth.

To change to something palpably better seems to be an even greater expense though - and I am mindful of the fact that the provenance of a car we know does count for something. The prospect of having so little return no matter what I spend were the car to be written off (Heaven forbid) surely is also a factor.

I would be interested to read the thoughts of other contributors here....

NB: The car must be as safe as possible, and of a decent size so as to cart around kids, dogs and caravans.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - unthrottled

The market value of a car is what someone else is likely to pay for it. It's of no relevance unless you're selling.

Fiscally, it's a no-brainer. A refurbished turbo is a few hundred pounds. Dents asnd scratches don't really matter and can wait indefinitely.

Taking consumables (which will apply to any car you buy) might make the situation a little clearer.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

Headlamps utterly frosted over (seems to be an expensive fix and certainly required before next MoT), bodywork really does need sprucing at this point if I wish to drive the car! There are other things which I wrote down, but memory fails me at present.

I reckon on spening somewhere between £2000 and £3000 in the next year.

Granted much of that would be spent on any car - but if I am spending it on a car worth a few quid, it doesn't feel like money frittered away.

I take your point that the car's worth only matters if I sell it!

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - unthrottled

Granted much of that would be spent on any car - but if I am spending it on a car worth a few quid, it doesn't feel like money frittered away.

Spending £1000 on a £10,000 seems like better value for money than spending £1000 on a £1000 car until you realise that you must first spend £10,000 on the car!

The first option costs you a total £2000, the second option costs you a total £10,000. The 'good value option' leaves you £8000 out of pocket.

The tipping point is when the cost of repairs outweighs the cost of buying a car of a comparable standard of the one you have just repaired. Short of major structural damage, the Saab is nowhere near that.

I take your point about unisured value but that is also is also reflected in lower premiums. In the long term insurance is a mug's game. If you have major work done perhaps you should try an insurer that offers agreed value rather than market value.

High VED and fuel economy might put me off running a car like yours but if you can stomach those, you've got a fine car that'll only yield peanuts if you sell it.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

As one can buy Saabs like mine for little over £1000 I think we're likely to be past the tipping point - but of course those are unknown Saabs so certainly a like for like replacement is far from my mind.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - craig-pd130

I'd agree with Unthrottled. Better to spend a grand on a car you know and like, with an informed view of what really needs doing and what can safely be left alone, than several thousand on an unknown quantity.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Mike H

You don't really make it clear how certain the need for these bits of work are, e.g. the turbo? Are you just guessing it might need replacing? You don't mention anything that comes to anywhere near £2000-3000! My 9-5 Aero estate is still running like a dream at 197,000, it burns a little oil but it could as well be valve guides & not turbo. The main thing is, it produces negligible smoke. It has a few battle scars, but mechanically it's as sound as a bell.

If you are near a decent Saab specialist, I would suggest it would be worth your while letting them give it a once over for a professional opinion, wouldn't cost much. If you give me some idea where you are, I might be able to point you in the right direction. If you are near Welwyn, you have a very good specialist near you.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - veryoldbear

Headlights will polish up quite nicely. It's a rather boring job, but I got the local body shop to do mine (on my old 9-5 estate) and they came up a treat. The 9-5 is a very bullet-proof and safe wagon, but apart from service parts you may need things like suspension bushes to keep it rattle-free.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Mike H

Headlights will polish up quite nicely.

...or buy a new pair on Ebay, you should get change from £60.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

Headlights won't polish I've been told by a couple of chaps in the know. They're too far gone and polished up previously apparently.

Replacement ones from breakers on EBAY for this particular model are actually nigh on £200 each - annoying - as the old-shape glass ones go for about 20 quid.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

The turbo is embrrasingly smokey on start-up: a sure sign of its dying (according to Saab Central and my own experience iwth other 9-5s). Such things are exaccerbated by short runs - something which the car does almost exclusively in my heavy-footed wife's stewardship.

The clutch slips now at times too.

The CPS sensor, DI cassette and Alarm siren are also very likely indeed to die in the coming year if all of my other 9-5 experiences are anything to go by.

Are all of these parts likely to be readly available for the foreseeable future in light of SAAB's demise?

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - RT

If the alarm siren is the same as GM cars, the rechargeable battery inside can be replaced but it does need the siren box dismantling and resealing - my Astra alarm siren needed replacement every two years!

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Mike H

You don't say how handy you are at DIY. The CPS is under £100, new DI £200, the alarm siren doesn't need touching, it can be programmed out (mine is, but low life know that the car is fitted with a Thatcham Cat 1 system, so they don't touch it anyway!). So that leaves clutch & turbo. I would say that you would get change from £2k for that little lot.

Lots of suspension parts are shared with the Vectra B, which can be cheaper than the Saab branded ones. Mine is running on Vectra drop-link and rear rose bushes.

I can see where you are coming from though, spending £2k on the car is not peanuts. I have in the past made the mistake of spending double what the car is worth on repairs, only to have something else crop up.

I wouldn't worry about spares availability in the foreseeable future. There was a brief hiatus when they were hard to come by, but the factory producing them is now in full swing.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Trilogy

TBH, I'd part with it but spend significantly less than £10,000 replacing it e.g. Skoda Octavia Estate.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Andrew-T

My wife's 53 reg 9-5 2.3t estate is super in so many ways - not least safety.

The value of safety is very difficult to quantify. No doubt it gives great peace of mind while driving. On the other hand you will probably never 'need' it for the ten years you own the car, which you will have spent dragging round all that extra clutter of crash bars, airbags, etc etc. which must add to the marginal costs of motoring.

Back in the 60s, as a Brit expat, I drove 40K miles all over Canada and the States in a Morris 1100, which was jokingly called a 'p***pot' by some colleagues because it would be crushed by any finned Chevy it might hit. I said that because it was so much smaller it was less likely to be hit. And the transverse engine caused great amusement.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

I am a strong beliver in stacking the odds in my favour with regard to safety - granted such devices guarantee nothing though.

As there is no doubt that there is no such thing as buying a car that is too safe - I do consider it to be the paramount aspect of any future purchase.

When I first bought a 9-5, it was the unassailable vehicle in crash tests as reported on Euro NCap. However, that was some time ago, and I am mindful of the fact that things like airbags have a limited life themselves.

As for the Skoda Octavia suggestion as a replacement, looking at its weights, it is considerably lighter than the 9-5 which would mean it couldn't tow the caravan I own safely.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - 72 dudes

Maybe look for another 9-5 estate which is newer and in better condition

Use a Saab specialist or the 'For Sale' areas on the Saab forums so you can at least find one which has been cared for and owned by a Saab enthuiast.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Trilogy

If the Octavia isn't heavy enough I'd suggest a Superb estate. A couple of neighbours in my village have gone from Saabs to Skodas.They have been very pleased with them.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

I would love to do so - but they're so new as to be a bit pricey at present.

SAAB 9-5 - Replacing or repairing? - Alebear

Many thanks indeed for all of the contributions here - if anyone wished to apply thier expertise to putting a list of pros and cons to keeping or selling, I would be glad to read them.