Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - rfm943

Whilst going around the country I see (and drive) quite a lot of cars. One thing that intrigues me is the number of older vehicles on the road which are still running.

[My criterion for defining an older vehicle is that it would predate the introduction of the new registration number format in 2001].

Looking around the brand that I seem to see the most is Peugeot, not the first that I would have thought of given the reputation of Frence cars generally, but there seems to be a disproportionate number of N/P/R and later registrations about.

You would expect Ford to feature most, simply because of the sheer volume of their cars that are registered. In our house, however, we have a phrase for their vehicles, built-in obsolescence, based on a couple of Fiestas owned bu our sons when learning to drive and which rusted to bits at between 8 and 10 years, The relatively low numbers of their cars that I see seems to indicate that this may still be the case.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Avant

Going back to the 1990s as you are, this was the time when Peugeot produced good cars that people wanted to buy, such as the 205 and 306. They didn't rust too badly and a good one still running is worth keeping.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - unthrottled

You see quite a few mid 90's Clios and Lagunas still trundling about. In spite of Renault's chequered reputation. This is helped in part by Renault's rust protection which was well ahead of many of their rivals. Sadly this attribute went largely unnoticed by buyers who prefer a top trumps style checklist and did nothing for their sales. In a bid to encourage sales, aggressive cost-cutting was adopted and reliability plummeted.

My previous Toyota went to the knackers' yard aged 17 years due to massive structural corrosion. The engine drank almost as much oil as petrol-even when fed with 20w 50. The drivers' seat had become soggy.

It's about to be outlived by a Renault. No structural corrosion, seat still firm, and the engine can still live on a diet of 5w 30.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - madf

Our 106 was 17 when crashed and written off. Peugeot made and sold a LOT of 106s..And 306s. All pretty reliable and simple to fix... the important bit as when cars get olderthings do go wrong due to poor (lack of) maintenance.

Anyone fancy fault finding on a 12 year old Ford Focus 1.6TDCI in 5-8 years' time? Thought not.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - alastairq

It's all about bangergnomics?

My biggest gripe [and I don't buy car if they're priced over circa £500....waste of money, IMHO....] concerns the addiciton to add-ons by makers....and the impact these add-ons have on the simple ability of the car to run, & move.

My ideal car [for cost & purpose] would be a Skoda Felicia, 1.3 [for the proper Skoda engine...pushrod simplicity]...MPi, for economy, without power steering [ I have one or two muscles left].....and a non-power-steered alternator is a fraction of the cost of the other one...steel wheels, rather than silly, breakable, chippable alloys...and ..NO AIRCON...non leccy windows a boon too....

[And, I have, bagged up, a brand spankers gearchange/gearbox steady i never got to use, sitting in the kitchen...]

Cheap to 'tax', cheap tpo insure, almost 50mpg's type of economy...can be driven very quickly, if one understands the power characteristics....spares are cheap, easy, road-side fixing...cheap tyres, etc.

Sure they have their foibles [cannot be worse than Ford's products?...and less numb than VAG stuff. [which it only partly is].....

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - craig-pd130

Quite a lote of early / mid 90s Mark 1 Mondeos still going around here: most of the body panels on these were galvanised so it usually isn't rust that kills them. Likewise with early Focuses.

Still a fair few Pug 306 / 406 too, they seem to hold up pretty well, as do the previous-generation Astras. But where have all the Vectras gone?

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Happy Blue!

See quite a few Hondas around of that era, espcially the 1988 - 1998 Accord models. Very reliable and didn't rust.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - HandCart

Hmm.. but my '99 Mondeo, and virtually all others from that era, went rusty on the rear arches. It may not be structural, but it looks tatty.

Whereas I came to realise that Peugeot 406s and 306s and 106s and Saxos and Xsaras from that era and even a bit earlier just don't seem to rust. In particular, old 406s are often seen in immaculate condition,

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Collos25

Longest lasting car by a country mile according to the TUV report is Porsche.They take the number made in any year with the percentage still running .

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Bobbin Threadbare

Longest lasting car by a country mile according to the TUV report is Porsche.They take the number made in any year with the percentage still running .

Are people more likely to take good care of them, because they are so expensive in the first place?

I see a few 'old' Mercs, a Jag or two and a Saab 9000 every day.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Collos25

Probably so but I had a 944 which I paid a low price for 15 years ago and it is still running and owned by the same person I sold it too and hes not spend much money on it its got to be 25 years old now.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - madf

I understand 60% of all RR ever built are still running..

I doubt if Porsche can claim that - see James Dean.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Collos25

Well according to the world wide TUV figures they do, I do not particulary like either car they are just old bangers to me.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Dabooka

I doubt if Porsche can claim that - see James Dean.

To quote the song, James Dean was just a careless driver...

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - oldroverboy.

And SWMBO is still running her 1993 toyota starlet 1.o litre.. been resprayed, but gets regulatr TLC and just goes on and on, and yes, seats bit soggy...

Edited by oldroverboy. on 18/07/2013 at 19:45

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - mss1tw

And SWMBO is still running her 1993 toyota starlet 1.o litre.. been resprayed, but gets regulatr TLC and just goes on and on, and yes, seats bit soggy...

Nicely done :-D

I see more older Berlingos (You notice them more when you own one, never gave them a second glance before!) compared to the old Escort and Combo

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - craig-pd130

I doubt if Porsche can claim that - see James Dean.

To quote the song, James Dean was just a careless driver...

Haha :) possibly the first Half Man Half Biscuit reference ever in the Back Room?

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Dabooka
  • I doubt if Porsche can claim that - see James Dean.

To quote the song, James Dean was just a careless driver...

Haha :) possibly the first Half Man Half Biscuit reference ever in the Back Room?

It's made my day that's been recognised! :-)

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Andrew-T

Whereas I came to realise that Peugeot 406s and 306s and 106s and Saxos and Xsaras from that era and even a bit earlier just don't seem to rust. In particular, old 406s are often seen in immaculate condition,

I have just sold a 100% immaculate (even underneath) 23-year-old 205. Most of its perfection will be because its previous owners stabled it under cover. People (including HJ) knocked the 205 because of flimsy build, but as long as it didn't get bent the bodywork just did not corrode.

The silly thing is that in the good old days of BL etc, owners kicked up a stink because of severe rusting after just a few years. Makers responded with good rustproofing, and now owners junk their cars before rust has even started. Many perfectly good vehicles were crushed in that daft scrappage scheme, including one I heard of - an 8-year-old 306 with about 20K miles on it. Usually the false thinking is that maintenance costs 'more than the car is worth', which will be why Porsches are still running.

Edited by Andrew-T on 19/07/2013 at 10:33

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - John Slavin

If you're interested in having a deeper look at what's left on the road, what's SORN and what's brought out of retirement for the summer we've got some data on it.

There's 'How Many Exist?' which concentrates on more recent cars, and 'How Many Survived?', covering older cars. Data's from the DVLA.

There's quite a lot of interesting information locked away in the files. I had an Allegro for a year and there's only a few hundred of those left. I also had a Primera before I started working at HJ - thousands of those still going.

Quite liked that car - was a P11 facelift. I spent hundreds on new brakes and then had to sell it. Such is life...

Another one that's really interesting is the sudden decline of Ford Escorts. Seems scrappage put a big chunk of them out of service. My old N-reg has gone to the great heavenly scrapheap now, I think.

Anyway - you'll find How Many Exist? here: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/how-many-exist/

And How Many Survived? here: http://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/how-many-survived/

Edited by John Slavin on 19/07/2013 at 11:32

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - rfm943

If you're interested in having a deeper look at what's left on the road, what's SORN and what's brought out of retirement for the summer we've got some data on it.

There's 'How Many Exist?' which concentrates on more recent cars, and 'How Many Survived?', covering older cars. Data's from the DVLA.

There's quite a lot of interesting information locked away in the files. I had an Allegro for a year and there's only a few hundred of those left. I also had a Primera before I started working at HJ - thousands of those still going.

Quite liked that car - was a P11 facelift. I spent hundreds on new brakes and then had to sell it. Such is life...

Another one that's really interesting is the sudden decline of Ford Escorts. Seems scrappage put a big chunk of them out of service. My old N-reg has gone to the great heavenly scrapheap now, I think.

Anyway - you'll find How Many Exist? here: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/how-many-exist/

And How Many Survived? here: http://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/how-many-survived/

Thanks for those links - very interesting indeed. My original post was perhaps not very well phrased and I should have perhaps used the expression mainstream cars as I would naturally expect many of the more exclusive marques to be still running, as has been mentioned in many of the replies.

The durability of French cars over a longer period surprised me at first but then, on reflection, I realised that it should probably not have done as when driving in France I have noticed there seem to be huge numbers of fairly ancient-looking Renaults, Citroens and Peugeots etc still running around.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - Sulphur Man

My cousin has a 1987 Renault Espace 2.1TD, which has been hauling back and forth between Lincolnshire and Northern Italy for several years now. Fibreglass body panels mounted on a galvanzied steel chassis - it's a very hardy vehicle. Plus the swivel round 'captain's' driver seat. Great, simple, well-made car.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - oldtoffee

I read an article, a few years ago mind, that said of all the manufacturers Subau had the highest percentage of vehicles remaining in use/registered/taxed which is probably the fairest way of analysing it in the volume market.

Longest Lasting Volume Cars by Brand - SteveLee

Land Rover used to top the list of cars in use against numbers purchased - however Mk1 Freelanders and rot boxes like the Range Rover classic and Mk1/Mk2 Disco put a huge dent in the statistics - they still fare pretty well in the stakes - maybe not the last word in reliability - but durability and reliability are two different things. Of course rotten series Landies and Defenders are likely to be lovingly repaired rather than scrapped.