The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Xileno

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The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - mcb100
So now it’s Stellantis, Renault and Nissan cars only attracting the lower level of the Electric Car Grant.

In 2024, France only used 6% of electricity from fossil fuels, the rest from renewables. So it makes me wonder what it will take for a car to qualify for the higher level?
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Random

Crikey, volume 19, so that's 18 I've never read.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Xileno

That's fine, it's not mandatory to read the EV threads or any other thread for that matter. At least we keep all the EV discussions broadly in one place rather than the mess it was before.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - SLO76
Keep it going. This is a big step in motoring history, one with ever changing technology and products. The market is in a constant state of change and it’s good to have an ongoing place to discuss this, plus it allows those of us with experience in running EV’s to hopefully dispel the fears of those who’re considering them, and to politely counter those who simply dislike them despite having never owned or even driven one.
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Random

Although I've never driven an EV I expect they're a joy to drive, so much so I'm looking forward to the prospect of owning one.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - galileo

Although I've never driven an EV I expect they're a joy to drive, so much so I'm looking forward to the prospect of owning one.

I'm surprised you've never driven a dodgem at a funfair.

As well as dodgems at fairs I drove electric fork-lift trucks in the long vacations when I was a student: both were fun but I'm now happy to change gears in a manual petrol car, it is somehow more satisfying.

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The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Random

I dodgem! My left hand has better things to do than change gear...........pick me nose, have a fag, drink a Red Bull, eat an ice cream...............and all at the same time! That's extremely satisfying!

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - mcb100
‘ despite having never owned or even driven one.’

You’ve just touched upon my unrealistic, idealistic suggestion - a pan-retail motor industry test drive initiative whereby a new to EV guest can walk into a dealership and take a zero obligation, zero involvement with a sales person, test drive in an EV.

I’m a huge proponent of the test drive in overcoming objections to EV, maybe also taking in a visit to a nearby public charger to show how easy and fast the process is.

But we know that sales execs will follow the path of least resistance and help people into the easiest cars to sell, rather than one that may benefit the customer.
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - pd
‘ despite having never owned or even driven one.’ You’ve just touched upon my unrealistic, idealistic suggestion - a pan-retail motor industry test drive initiative whereby a new to EV guest can walk into a dealership and take a zero obligation, zero involvement with a sales person, test drive in an EV. I’m a huge proponent of the test drive in overcoming objections to EV, maybe also taking in a visit to a nearby public charger to show how easy and fast the process is. But we know that sales execs will follow the path of least resistance and help people into the easiest cars to sell, rather than one that may benefit the customer.

Tesla offer test drives where you set it all up remotely, go and find the car in a car park and unlock it with your phone and off you go on your own for an hour. You never get to see a sales exec. The most you might get is a gentle follow-up call a couple of days later.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - daveyjp

Drove my first EV about ten years ago, a Leaf and then a Prius PHEV which ran mostly on battery power. I had however also driven autos on and off since mid 2000s so I wasn't surprised about how it drove.

I have no issue with EVs, but at the moment an EV does not meet our needs, however a hybrid does which is why we now have one.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - mcb100
‘ I have no issue with EVs, but at the moment an EV does not meet our needs, however a hybrid does which is why we now have one.’

I promise I’m not being antagonistic or aggressive, but it’s always useful to hear from people that say an EV doesn’t suit their needs. And I won’t argue. But what is it in your car needs that you think precludes the use of a fully electric car?
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Bromptonaut
. But what is it in your car needs that you think precludes the use of a fully electric car?

In my case I tow a caravan. I think an electric that will tow over a reasonable distance is coming but we're not there yet.

Not long ago I'd have said range generally was an issue; we often travel hundreds of miles as day. I think leapfrogging improvements and faster charging are seeing that addressed.

If we still needed a second car for a work commute and general tootlling around I'd have an electric.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - RT
. But what is it in your car needs that you think precludes the use of a fully electric car?

In my case I tow a caravan. I think an electric that will tow over a reasonable distance is coming but we're not there yet.

Not long ago I'd have said range generally was an issue; we often travel hundreds of miles as day. I think leapfrogging improvements and faster charging are seeing that addressed.

If we still needed a second car for a work commute and general tootlling around I'd have an electric.

I too tow a caravan and once/year go up to the far North Highlands - now using an online emulator I could adjust our travel plans to cope with recharging 5-6 times, rather than a single refuel - but I couldn't cope with detaching the caravan, leaving it in a different parking area with only a "frail old lady" as security while I recharged the towcar.

Most of my non-towing trips are either very short, under 10 miles which don't amount to a lot annually or very long, 3-400 miles to nature reserves with no mains electricity.

Although the short trips could recharged at home, at cheap rates, they would only be a small fraction of annual mileage - the rest of which would need to be recharged at expensive public chargers so the saving on my annual diesel bill would be small, not enough to justify the EV insurance cost let alone the capital/depreciation costs.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 19 - Terry W

I changed my car a year ago and chose petrol for much the same reason as RT.

Although I don't tow a caravan, I estimate ~60% of mileage is on long trips where recharging would be needed - 250-350 miles in the UK and perhaps once a year to Southern Spain (1300 miles each way). Public charging is similar in cost per mile to petrol.

Based on ~5000 miles pa shorter journeys with cheap night rate charging ~2.5p per mile compares with petrol at ~13p. Over a year a saving of ~£525 pa - useful but hardly compelling - a takeaway curry for 2 once a month!!

On the last trip back from Spain I found that range anxiety concerns are now largely illusory with chargers at frequent intervals on the m/way. Going EV may simply need better journey planning, but may add a day or two to the journey each way.

I suspect that as more fast chargers are rolled out, and EV range continues to increase, the next car is 90% likely to be an EV.