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I don't think I'd ever pay £18k for a car with more than 100k miles.
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I don't think I'd ever pay £18k for a car with more than 100k miles.
It's a £50k car new so if you want that sort of car for that sort of price you have to accept the miles and why not? They're the bargains. I bet it's pretty much indistinguishable from a new one in most respects.
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100k in 3 years is ~35k pa.
Almost certainly motorway miles where the car is operating on relatively smooth road, limited brake use, so far below the below designed performance levels that little/no wear to any component.
Probably spent about as much time "in motion" as a 30k car driven mainly in towns. Even things like door locks have had less use as average journeys may be 50-100 miles, not 2 miles on a shopping run!
It is nothing like the average car at 100k which will be 10-12 years old with brakes, clutch (ICE), suspension, steering all showing evidence of wear.
Would I buy such a car - probably not unless I could emotionally accept the low risk of a (worst case??) £10k repair bill. The flip side is several years very cheap luxury motoring - spread £18k over 5 years and the cost is about the same as a small hatch lease.
Edited by Terry W on 02/08/2025 at 12:26
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I don't think I'd ever pay £18k for a car with more than 100k miles.
It's a £50k car new so if you want that sort of car for that sort of price you have to accept the miles and why not? They're the bargains. I bet it's pretty much indistinguishable from a new one in most respects.
£18,000 is a lot to pay for a second hand car regardless of how much it was originally. In some ways, the fact it cost so much to start with indicates that it's not as good as new at all.
I just think it's a lot to hand over for a high mileage car regardless. You could buy something nearly new, a bit more modest, with a decent warranty for the same.
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I agree it’s a lot, but it’s not unusual. According to AutoTrader the average price of used car is about £17k.
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A 100 mile trip is only 10 minutes slower at an average of 70mph that it is at 80mph.
I'd like to know where you could average 80mph for 100 miles ? Abroad, I presume ?
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A 100 mile trip is only 10 minutes slower at an average of 70mph that it is at 80mph.
I'd like to know where you could average 80mph for 100 miles ? Abroad, I presume ?
I'd quite like to know where I could average 70mph in the UK for a full hour !
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The car is indeed indistinguishable from a new one, there is nothing about it at all suggesting the mileage. No interior wear, nothing "baggy" about it, no slop, knocks, whines, rattles, just very very impressive. Yes, it would take some learning to adapt and it's not my type of car but I can certainly see why people rave about them. It sounds like the range issue can be improved with restraint. What is the warranty situation and spares back up like regarding the rest of the car excluding the power train like I wonder. I agree I think worst case bill would be about £10k? Too much for me but I'm possible out of date with my thinking
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A 100 mile trip is only 10 minutes slower at an average of 70mph that it is at 80mph.
I'd like to know where you could average 80mph for 100 miles ? Abroad, I presume ?
I'd quite like to know where I could average 70mph in the UK for a full hour !
Most of the motorway network if you travel off-peak
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A 100 mile trip is only 10 minutes slower at an average of 70mph that it is at 80mph.
I'd like to know where you could average 80mph for 100 miles ? Abroad, I presume ?
I'd quite like to know where I could average 70mph in the UK for a full hour !
Most of the motorway network if you travel off-peak
Possibly, if you use the speeds from your dashboard, or if you don't mind going over the limit. Perhaps not if you are talking actual road speed.
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As an aside Tesla speedos are very accurate (something I've often noticed on American cars). If it says you're doing 70 you're probably doing 69.5 true where as in a lot of cars you will be doing 64.
They're certainly not a make I'd risk doing an indicated 35 assuming I was probably just over the limit in!
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A 100 mile trip is only 10 minutes slower at an average of 70mph that it is at 80mph.
I'd like to know where you could average 80mph for 100 miles ? Abroad, I presume ?
I'd quite like to know where I could average 70mph in the UK for a full hour !
Most of the motorway network if you travel off-peak
Possibly, if you use the speeds from your dashboard, or if you don't mind going over the limit. Perhaps not if you are talking actual road speed.
My speedo is accurate to GPS on my phone - as I have over-sized tyres fitted.
I make a point of avoiding peak days/hours, being retired I do have that flexibility.
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I'm not in the market for a Tesla, but I found this video quite interesting, a model S but relevant I would have thought.
youtu.be/t1aI7EfSnmE?si=JE3AuSOf-kAczXuH
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A used Tesla is a pretty decent option if you're looking for an EV .
Sadly all of them are longer than my garage ( where my charger is) and only one the Model Y is a hatchback. This is important (for me) as my dog rides in the back, with a dog guard between him and the back seat. Plus they're all a bit wide for my taste. Also being older I'm avoiding cars where you sit too low. Arthritis!
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A used Tesla is a pretty decent option if you're looking for an EV .
Sadly all of them are longer than my garage ( where my charger is) and only one the Model Y is a hatchback. This is important (for me) as my dog rides in the back, with a dog guard between him and the back seat. Plus they're all a bit wide for my taste. Also being older I'm avoiding cars where you sit too low. Arthritis!
Doesn't really matter if you can't fit it in your garage to charge it, but according to his post further up, mcb100 doesn't like the Model Y because he feels the seating position is too high!.
Incidentally, i did see a Model Y today though, towing a fairly large caravan!.
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I wonder what the towing range is of a model Y? I imagine about 100 miles? What are all the caravan towers going to do when diesel is finally phased out? Maybe by then EVs will have the range capability?
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I wonder what the towing range is of a model Y? I imagine about 100 miles? What are all the caravan towers going to do when diesel is finally phased out? Maybe by then EVs will have the range capability?
If as widely expected another brand of govt takes over by or before 2029 i think ICE engines will be available new for many more years.
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I wonder what the towing range is of a model Y? I imagine about 100 miles? What are all the caravan towers going to do when diesel is finally phased out? Maybe by then EVs will have the range capability?
It is generally estimated towing reduces ICE MPG by ~25%. If the normal range of an EV is (say) 240 miles I would expect the towing range to be reduced to ~180 miles.
This is probably 3-4 hours driving - a comfort break would be on the agenda. The only challenge may be finding a recharging point which will take a caravan being towed, or unhitch in the car park and recharge separately.
If as widely expected another brand of govt takes over by or before 2029 i think ICE engines will be available new for many more years.
As far as I am aware almost no development money is going into improving current ICE with the focus almost wholly on EV. In 4 years time many ICE production lines will have been dismantled, supply chains broken, and much tooling etc on its last legs.
If in 2029 you want a car which has seen little or no development over the preceding decade, may be banned in many low emissions zones, with a declining service and support infrastructure - you are welcome to it!!
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As far as I am aware almost no development money is going into improving current ICE with the focus almost wholly on EV.
I believe Toyota are still developing their hybrid gubbins and engines. EG next model of the Corolla is rumoured to have a new 1.5 engine with the next generation of its running gear.
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As far as I am aware almost no development money is going into improving current ICE with the focus almost wholly on EV. In 4 years time many ICE production lines will have been dismantled, supply chains broken, and much tooling etc on its last legs.
If in 2029 you want a car which has seen little or no development over the preceding decade, may be banned in many low emissions zones, with a declining service and support infrastructure - you are welcome to it!!
The planet doesn't revolve around Britain, or the EU come to that, the rest of the world isn't legislating itself into complete economic ruin.
Govts and regimes whether continent wide national or local can be voted out (except maybe for the EU), nothing is set in stone and no poltician can physically prevent their replacement from doing things differently and changing the law, the game may well be up for the uniparty here in which case all bets are off.
As for too many recent developments in engines, ie wet belts and other pointless self destructive tat, many more of us than you might expect are simply saying no, the sales figures alone also show very few people of normal means who work for a living and buy their own vehicles actually want a battery only car, its only tax allowances that are seeing the number of business and company car battery car registrations.
Edited by gordonbennet on 04/08/2025 at 06:20
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I wonder what the towing range is of a model Y? I imagine about 100 miles? What are all the caravan towers going to do when diesel is finally phased out? Maybe by then EVs will have the range capability?
Towing range of EVs is typically 50% of their real world solo range - unlike petrol/diesel towcars where the range is typically 70% of solo range.
Many of us will just keep running our diesel towcars - diesel fuel will still be available for many decades as HGVs can't easily be replaced by EVs
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Many of us will just keep running our diesel towcars - diesel fuel will still be available for many decades as HGVs can't easily be replaced by EVs
Quite.
The bulk of HGVs won't be replaced by solely battery driven for decades, there already are a few put on fleets to tick the right boxes, typically festooned in the usual propaganda slogans, the few i know of are on selected work keeping them local or they run out and have to be rescued with emergency charge packs, efficiency in usage is poor due to charging times and they're typically 2.5 to 3 tons heavier than an equivalent normal truck, even empty a typical 6 axle vehicle's tare weight will increase to 18+ tons, an empty full size car transporter is already 22 tons so circa 25 tons, arn't the roads destroyed enough already, let along how many more trcuks needed to shift the same weights...maybe electric trucks will be allowed to run at 50 tons.
What the HGV industry needs is Hino (Toyotas industrial arm) to upgrade the well proven hybrid drive to suit HGVs and buses, all deceleration and braking forces, massive in loaded commercials, could then be used to help power the vehicle back up to speed and like all hybrids on pure electric where sensible, the fuel savings i estimate as being around 50% depending on usage....as an example one run i make to South Wales i climb two steep hils roughly a mile long each one, in both cases circa 30 mph in 9th gear @ 43 tons the fuel readout is 1.9 mpg, conservatively thats around 5 litres for just those 2 hills up the side of the mountain.
I average 10mpg or so on that return run (including approx 9litres used for compressor/hydraulics to shift the load), i think i could increase that to around 13 mpg with a hybrid drive, better percentage gains probably on heavier trafficked journeys.
There isn't the grid power available to run our transport on electric only, where i work our fleet if overnight charged would shut the town down, and we'd need around 50% more trucks because many are in 24/7/364 use.
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<< .... an empty full size car transporter is already 22 tons so circa 25 tons, arn't the roads destroyed enough already, let along how many more trcuks needed to shift the same weights...maybe electric trucks will be allowed to run at 50 tons. >>
So they will need another axle or two to spread the load ? Many roads are already overloaded (as you suggest) as indicated by the furrowing that develops on some.
In steam-railway days there was a continual contest between management and the mechanical engineers who needed a heavier loco, and the civil engineers who told them the existing bridges would not take the increased loading.
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What the HGV industry needs is Hino (Toyotas industrial arm) to upgrade the well proven hybrid drive to suit HGVs and buses, all deceleration and braking forces, massive in loaded commercials, could then be used to help power the vehicle back up to speed and like all hybrids on pure electric where sensible, the fuel savings i estimate as being around 50% depending on usage....as an example one run i make to South Wales i climb two steep hils roughly a mile long each one, in both cases circa 30 mph in 9th gear @ 43 tons the fuel readout is 1.9 mpg, conservatively thats around 5 litres for just those 2 hills up the side of the mountain.
I average 10mpg or so on that return run (including approx 9litres used for compressor/hydraulics to shift the load), i think i could increase that to around 13 mpg with a hybrid drive, better percentage gains probably on heavier trafficked journeys.
Interesting numbers, gb. Perhaps switch to Scania?
www.scania.com/content/dam/group/press-and-media/e...f
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Interesting numbers, gb. Perhaps switch to Scania?
www.scania.com/content/dam/group/press-and-media/e...f
Interesting thanks for that, i didn't know they'd got the hybrid act together, i drive a latest model Scania Super as it happens, a real improvement in fuel economy from previous models, if the driver can be bothered fine tuning their performance the new gen offers substantial savings with no loss of progress.
Note max 36t so far, will be interesting to see what the tare weights are especially when they come up with 6 x 2 44 ton rated vehicles, if they can keep the extra battery and equipment weight to under a ton they're onto a winner, our tanker operations also needs considerable chassis space to accommodate PTO driven hydraulic/compressor equipment.
Tare weights are something all truck makers are rather shy about mentioning with fully electric trucks as well as expected range at full weights, as much use as chocolate teapot to us in their current (hoho) form.
Edited by gordonbennet on 04/08/2025 at 12:23
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