n/a - HGV speed limiters - FP

I used to think that HGVs were limited to 56 mph and this was confirmed by my experience of the sheer number of lorries going at just this speed or lower. I understand the brakes are applied if the lorry overshoots going down an incline.

However, apparently the legal limit has been 60 mph since 2015 and I assume that HGV operators were choosing a lower setting, possibly to reduce fuel costs.

At the moment I am condemned to a twice-daily commute between the M1 Junctions 8 and 11, fortunately outside the rush-hour both times. I don't drive fast and it has provided plenty of opportunity to check actual HGV speed as measured by satnav.

My perception is that these days a very large proportion have their limiters set at higher than 56 mph. One I followed down an incline was doing 62 mph.

Maybe the resident experts can comment on my idle speculation, provoked by hours of boredom at the wheel.

Edited by FP on 24/07/2025 at 16:31

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Gateway88

As far as I'm aware speed limiters are set to 56mph to allow a safety margin of error for slight calibration differences. Obviously a fully loaded hgv travelling downhill will be able to exceed this limit due to the laws of gravity just like travelling downhill in a car or on a push bike.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - FP

"...hgv travelling downhill will be able to exceed this limit..."

Hence my comment about brakes being automatically applied when there is an overrun. Or does this not happen?

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Gateway88

Not sure if modern trucks have a different system but they used to have exhaust brakes that would use the engine to assist with slowing the truck on a decent.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Orb>>.

Didn't they have retarders... GB can tell us,

n/a - HGV speed limiters - badbusdriver

A few points.

1, just because your speedometer said you were doing 62mph, doesn't mean you actually were. Most over-read to the tune of 3-5mph (at 70mph)

2, Modern speed limiters on trucks may be different(?). But regarding those fitted to the buses I used to drive (which should all have been limited to no more than 60mph), one could use the term, "not all speed limiters are created equal". By which I mean on some buses, the limiter would stop you going past an indicated 58mph, while others on the same make/model of bus would let you get up to 63mph.

3. A fully laden truck going downhill has an awful lot of mass to contain, so I don't think the battle between the speed limiter and gravity allowing the truck to go a few mph faster than it should is really anything to worry about. Maybe if on the level, the truck was going 62+mph I might start to think something a bit squiffy going on re the speed limiter.

I have actually driven an old Volvo B10 coach who's speed limiter didn't work at all. Heading north out of Aberdeen on the dual carriageway and running late due to the inevitable traffic hold ups, I did get some surprised looks from car drivers...........!

Edited by badbusdriver on 24/07/2025 at 18:38

n/a - HGV speed limiters - gordonbennet

No, brakes won't automatically be applied in an overrun situation, except where cruise control is in use any automatic retarder is engaged and the overrun speed set, if the driver touches the brakes themselves cruise will be cancelled.

Cruise often has a driver set overspeed allowance (it might have a pre set allowance which might be +6kph), typically 2kph over set cruise speed isthe lowest the driver can set it for auto retardation and if the retarder isn;t enough then auto braking will also be triggered to keep speed under control...ie if cruise is set to 55kph and +2 is set for overspeed then the truck will invariably be travelling at a (vehicle not driver) controlled 57kph until the downhill levels out again.

Here comes the fun part, like with cars they've made truck dashboard and menus so complicated that it can literally take months of regularly driving one make and type of vehicle to fully familiarise yourself with every idoisyncracy, and all makes are different.

Its taken me some 120k kms on the the new vehicle i was issued with last year to learn all of its foibles, and the latest otherwise identical ones that have turned up are different again, how an irregular driver using a different vehicle every day is supposed to work all this gadgetry out no one has quite explained.

if one could be bothered to study the drivers manual deeply enough to know all the shift would be over before you had left the yard....at night things are far far worse, some trucks are preusumably fitted with switches via the confetti method, ie throw a tray of switches in the air and where they land they get fitted, i'm joking here but seriously some are that bad.

Anyone looked recently at the average lorry driver, he and its mostly he's are over 55 and heading rapidly to retirement age, did anyone explain to truck designers that drivers are not all 18 year olds having grown up with electronic toys gadgets and computers, no obviously not.

Yes the UK limit is 60mph but seeing as we never left the EU :) we still have to abide by EU regs (and almost every truck is made in europe anyway) , hence the digi tacho will start throwing recordable overspeed warnings at around 3kph over limter speed if continual over several hundred metres.

As for checking speed, remember the truck speedo will be calibrated very accurately assuming new tyre depth, if the tyres are worn a calculation for wear will be made so putting the vehicle in for calibration on tyres down to 4mm from 20odd won't always result as one might think, a car speedo reading of 62 is probably more like a true 57..

Edited by gordonbennet on 24/07/2025 at 18:40

n/a - HGV speed limiters - FP

Thanks, GB - informative, as ever.

A little footnote: I did say I was relying on my satnav for measuring speed, not the car speedometer, which I know always over-reads.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - gordonbennet

Point taken FP, if the driver hasn't set the overspeed manually and is just operating cruise (with retarder set to auto, which it might not be) then the vehicle holding steady at 62 would be about right.

Most responsible operators take overspeeds seriously, caught out by the odd one which is surprisingly easily done, they'll overlook but if you get them regularly or take the mickey ie over 60 they'll be having words, leading to disciplinary if ignored.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - HGV ~ P Valentine

Good luck with that one, you will need it. When I got done speeding and had to attend one of those courses a woman said she did just that, I think she started using the speedo after.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Sofa Spud

As far as I'm aware speed limiters are set to 56mph to allow a safety margin of error for slight calibration differences. Obviously a fully loaded hgv travelling downhill will be able to exceed this limit due to the laws of gravity just like travelling downhill in a car or on a push bike.

I thiought the significance of 56 mph was that it equalled 90 kph and the speed limiters were an EU (or rather EEC in those days) decision. Our country decided to shoot itself in the foot by leaving the EU and also we gave up on full metrication, but the 56 mph speed limites is a remnant and something that's very unlikely to change. Even impatient car drivers who get irritated by lorries limited to 56 mph would be unlikley to welcome lorries travelling at higher speeds if they really think about it..

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Metropolis.
With so many speed cameras these days, I increasingly find that normal cars have these snails pace races overtaking each other at +1mph because one car’s 70mph is calibrated differently to another.
n/a - HGV speed limiters - RT
With so many speed cameras these days, I increasingly find that normal cars have these snails pace races overtaking each other at +1mph because one car’s 70mph is calibrated differently to another.

Mainly because drivers are reluctant to drive in lane 1 at 70 mph because they consider it the "slow" lane. If more did move over it would be easier to overtake in the outer lanes.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - bathtub tom

Mainly because drivers are reluctant to drive in lane 1 at 70 mph because they consider it the "slow" lane. If more did move over it would be easier to overtake in the outer lanes.

Which is why I (and seemingly many others) choose to drive at or near the NSL in lane 1, because it's usually the least used.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Metropolis.
I won’t lane hog lane 2 but I don’t like lane 1 as on our busy roads you end up frequently having to pull in and out to overtake lorries etc (not their fault), and sometimes you get stuck in lane 1 for a while waiting for a gap in the long line of cars overtaking in 2 & 3, then have to accelerate up to 70 again. Wish lorries could be derestricted and more lanes added to motorways..
n/a - HGV speed limiters - RT
I won’t lane hog lane 2 but I don’t like lane 1 as on our busy roads you end up frequently having to pull in and out to overtake lorries etc (not their fault), and sometimes you get stuck in lane 1 for a while waiting for a gap in the long line of cars overtaking in 2 & 3, then have to accelerate up to 70 again. Wish lorries could be derestricted and more lanes added to motorways..

The whole point of multi-lane roads isto allow overtaking by faster vehicles.

I find that regularly checking in the mirror and anticipating gaps in traffic allows me to pull out from lane 1 without any issues.

If HGVs were de-restricted we'd just have 70 mph elephant racing with cars stuck to the same limit.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Stackman II

Back in the late 80's I worked for Abbey Hill, the car transporter company.

I did a stint in the transport analysis office where they monitored driving patterns and tacho discs.

Pinned to the wall was a blow-up of the tacho disc from one of the Doncaster drivers showing he had gone above 80mph on one downhill stretch.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - gordonbennet

Back in the late 80's I worked for Abbey Hill, the car transporter company.

I did a stint in the transport analysis office where they monitored driving patterns and tacho discs.

Pinned to the wall was a blow-up of the tacho disc from one of the Doncaster drivers showing he had gone above 80mph on one downhill stretch.

I drove transporters for them too but after it became Walon, under Autologic, 'twas a good job but glad i'm long out of it.

I well recall the time AH drivers got busted in the 80's for serious overspeeding, where i worked at the time we ran night trunks where, ahem, 'average journey times' might have been a trifle on the short side, was concerning for a while, phew.

Different days, i don't think even relaxing truck limiters to the 60 uk motorway limit for trucks would be a good idea now, too late, the roads were quieter truck drivers themselves and everyone else on the road used to the higher speeds the tailgating and bunching (itself caused to a major extent by speed limiters) wasn't anything like it happens now.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Stackman II

As I remember it, the drivers were paid an hours wage for every 28 miles they drove, so motorway trunking at 56mph effectively paid 2 hours. This clearly didn't discourage speeding!

I would have to go through the drivers' work sheets to calculate journey distances, with the help of "Through maps." These were paper maps for a variety of towns and cities showing the routes and distances to other towns and cities.

There were whispers that a new computer program, Autoroute, would soon be available which would calculate the distances for you but it never arrived in my time.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - gordonbennet

Walon's pay scheme (still in operation for some despite the numerous takeovers since) was the most complicated i've ever worked under, it would take an hour to explain.

Hours miles number and size of vehicles carried number of deliveries plus any tranships to name but a few.

No complaints, hardest i've ever worked but it set us up so i was able to drop onto tankers for comparably semi retirement back in the noughties.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Sofa Spud
With so many speed cameras these days, I increasingly find that normal cars have these snails pace races overtaking each other at +1mph because one car’s 70mph is calibrated differently to another.

Yes, but does that really matter? Lane hoggers are a lesser evil than lane hoppers. Drivers who condtantly cut in and pull out probably slow the traffic down more than someone sitting in lane 2 doing 69 mph. This is because they often cause other drivers to brake when they change lanes abruptly.

n/a - HGV speed limiters - Adampr
With so many speed cameras these days, I increasingly find that normal cars have these snails pace races overtaking each other at +1mph because one car’s 70mph is calibrated differently to another.

Yes, but does that really matter? Lane hoggers are a lesser evil than lane hoppers. Drivers who condtantly cut in and pull out probably slow the traffic down more than someone sitting in lane 2 doing 69 mph. This is because they often cause other drivers to brake when they change lanes abruptly.

I disagree. Whilst they are certainly a menace, people changing lanes frequently are normally encouraged to do so by others sitting in the middle lane forcing them to find a way around.