The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Xileno

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The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Ethan Edwards

We now have a Salary sacrifice scheme at work to enable purchase of an EV. 4yr deal. Includes insurance , maintenance ,4k of free Octopus electricity and a free wallbox.

Where were you when I could have used it!. I already have a wallbox and taking this deal for me means I'll retire and find myself immediately needing a new car and insurance but not having any NCD. Few years ago Id have gone for it. Oh well.

They do new and nearly new. But the nearly new are only Audi models starting at 900 quid or so a month! New they do other makes as well but nothing I'm interested in.

Still it's a good deal for my colleagues.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
I’m pretty sure it featured on here - the story of a bloke from Prestatyn who called 999 from his EV Jaguar I-Pace and told the police his brakes had failed and he couldn’t slow the car from 90mph.
The police closed two lanes of the M62 and followed him until he ran out of charge.
The outcome now is that he’s been charged with dangerous driving, causing a public nuisance and two counts of fraud by false representation.
It was one of the news stories that the anti-EV lobby were all over at the time.
There was a similar tale of an MG in Scotland, but I’ve not seen anything of that one since.

Edited by mcb100 on 09/07/2025 at 11:59

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - pd
I’m pretty sure it featured on here - the story of a bloke from Prestatyn who called 999 from his EV Jaguar I-Pace and told the police his brakes had failed and he couldn’t slow the car from 90mph. The police closed two lanes of the M62 and followed him until he ran out of charge. The outcome now is that he’s been charged with dangerous driving, causing a public nuisance and two counts of fraud by false representation. It was one of the news stories that the anti-EV lobby were all over at the time. There was a similar tale of an MG in Scotland, but I’ve not seen anything of that one since.

I hope JLR sue him for reputational damage and loss of sales/earnings. The story did a lot of damage to the Jaguar brand.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Steveieb

Very impressed with the deal my friend has just secured on a 23 Plate MG EV.

£16 k for a 23 plate with 24 K miles .

What a great deal from a car supermarket and I imagine will have the balance of the manufacture s warranty .

Certainly a lot of car for very little money .

Hopefully with the nearby Honda dealer recently been appointed a MG dealer the stars are on the ascendancy for MG .

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - badbusdriver

Very impressed with the deal my friend has just secured on a 23 Plate MG EV.

£16 k for a 23 plate with 24 K miles .

What a great deal from a car supermarket and I imagine will have the balance of the manufacture s warranty .

Certainly a lot of car for very little money .

Hopefully with the nearby Honda dealer recently been appointed a MG dealer the stars are on the ascendancy for MG .

On Autotrader right now:

Brand new (delivery miles) MG4's (51kWh) kicking off at £18,400

23 plate MG5 (61kWh) with 15k for a fiver under £12.5k

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - daveyjp

Check closely that all services have been done on time. Some EVs were registered and not sold for a very long time, thereby missing the first service.

If any service isn't done you may be waving goodbye to any warranty cover.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - movilogo

Here is a video of Kia EV6 racing against Ferrari Purosangue.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82E-4oSfdE

Kia beating Ferrari is new world order.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - madf

Here is a video of Kia EV6 racing against Ferrari Purosangue.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82E-4oSfdE

Kia beating Ferrari is new world order.

Yes having instant maximum torque at 0 rpm is a winner

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Engineer Andy

Very impressed with the deal my friend has just secured on a 23 Plate MG EV.

£16 k for a 23 plate with 24 K miles .

What a great deal from a car supermarket and I imagine will have the balance of the manufacture s warranty .

Certainly a lot of car for very little money .

Hopefully with the nearby Honda dealer recently been appointed a MG dealer the stars are on the ascendancy for MG .

I feel sorry for the mug who bought it new and lost a small fortune on depreciation in comparison to selling a similarly-priced ICE car.

If it was a leasing company, I'm still unsure how many of them haven't gone under by now, given how badly they (or their advisors) got it wrong on second hand values for EVs after the lease period is up. Similarly with firms providing PCP deals.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
The other element to this stuff is that it makes an average Joe look like a driving god.
You just can’t get standing starts wrong - not too many revs to break traction, too few revs and it’ll bog down - you don’t need any great technique other than flexing your right ankle.
I’m always a bit wary for the first couple of metres, to avoid a huge shock load to shafts, CV joints, etc, but after that it’s point and press.
Even a regular Dual Motor Tesla Model 3 I drove on a test track hit an indicated 135mph from a standing start after just half a mile.
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - madf
The other element to this stuff is that it makes an average Joe look like a driving god. You just can’t get standing starts wrong - not too many revs to break traction, too few revs and it’ll bog down - you don’t need any great technique other than flexing your right ankle. I’m always a bit wary for the first couple of metres, to avoid a huge shock load to shafts, CV joints, etc, but after that it’s point and press. Even a regular Dual Motor Tesla Model 3 I drove on a test track hit an indicated 135mph from a standing start after just half a mile.

Precisely. Even in snow and ice with an I3 I felt always in control. The Honda Jazz auto would lose traction with a series of jolts on ice ... I3 was much smoother in extremis. Dial down the power through an ECO setting and town driving is easy peasy.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Andrew-T
... you don’t need any great technique other than flexing your right ankle. I’m always a bit wary for the first couple of metres, to avoid a huge shock load to shafts, CV joints, etc, but after that it’s point and press.

The vehicle has changed a lot, but the transfer of torque to ground is still rubber to asphalt. People have said that tyre particles add to pollution, so presumably EVs may not help here ?

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Steveieb

What maintenance is required for an EV with no oil to change ?

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
‘ What maintenance is required for an EV with no oil to change ?’

Cabin filter, battery & motor coolant every few years, latest software update, visual check of suspension & brakes, battery health check. Tyre tread depth check.

Brake fluid is brake fluid and will have a change at x years, and maybe an aircon regas.

Can’t think of much else.

Edited by mcb100 on 11/07/2025 at 16:38

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Engineer Andy
‘ What maintenance is required for an EV with no oil to change ?’ Cabin filter, battery & motor coolant every few years, latest software update, visual check of suspension & brakes, battery health check. Tyre tread depth check. Can’t think of much else.

Presumably as there are moving parts, there must be something to check and occasionally add or change lubrication. I mean, electric trains do need maintenance.

As before, the problem with electrical equipment is that they don't give much warning (compared to 'mechanical' devices) that they are either in need of TLC or replacement. Not so great when something happens mid-journey on an important trip.

Plus a fault may not be able to be rectified at the roadside, because non-generic equipment needs replacing or where something that does will need more than the equipment / expertise contained in a breakdown van or even at a dealership whilst open, including software faults that cannot be rectified by a hard reset of the car.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Xileno

I think we've been at that point with ICE vehicles for some years. When my Mother's Volvo let her down in a motorway (engine just cut out) it was traced to a faulty fuel injection pump relay. Prior to the event, there was no warning at all.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - pd
‘ What maintenance is required for an EV with no oil to change ?’ Cabin filter, battery & motor coolant every few years, latest software update, visual check of suspension & brakes, battery health check. Tyre tread depth check. Can’t think of much else.

Presumably as there are moving parts, there must be something to check and occasionally add or change lubrication. I mean, electric trains do need maintenance.

As before, the problem with electrical equipment is that they don't give much warning (compared to 'mechanical' devices) that they are either in need of TLC or replacement. Not so great when something happens mid-journey on an important trip.

Plus a fault may not be able to be rectified at the roadside, because non-generic equipment needs replacing or where something that does will need more than the equipment / expertise contained in a breakdown van or even at a dealership whilst open, including software faults that cannot be rectified by a hard reset of the car.

You've described any car from the last 25 years, petrol, diesel, electric or vegetable oil.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Brit_in_Germany
‘ What maintenance is required for an EV with no oil to change ?’ Cabin filter, battery & motor coolant every few years, latest software update, visual check of suspension & brakes, battery health check. Tyre tread depth check. Brake fluid is brake fluid and will have a change at x years, and maybe an aircon regas. Can’t think of much else.

You forgot "replace drive battery because repeated recharging has killed it after two years" ;- |

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Ethan Edwards

Following your logic I'd be buying my third traction battery on both my EVs.

However in the real world, nope original ones still going great thanks. Incidentally you do know all EVs have an EIGHT year battery warranty? Two years...derisory snort!

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Brit_in_Germany

Following your logic I'd be buying my third traction battery on both my EVs.

However in the real world, nope original ones still going great thanks. Incidentally you do know all EVs have an EIGHT year battery warranty? Two years...derisory snort!

Whoosh!

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
Ford Mustang-E is as follows -

Tyre rotation 10,000 miles
Brake Fluid 3 years
Cabin filter 20,000 miles
Coolant change 200,000 miles
Transmission fluid 150,000 or 10 years.




The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
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The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Chris M

I wonder what's involved with the coolant change? If Renault are charging c£200 to replace the 12v battery (standard less than £100 item you'd find in any ICE), then the c£500 may not involve any special equipment? Makes it all DIYable when the cars reach 2nd owner on.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - pd

I wonder what's involved with the coolant change? If Renault are charging c£200 to replace the 12v battery (standard less than £100 item you'd find in any ICE), then the c£500 may not involve any special equipment? Makes it all DIYable when the cars reach 2nd owner on.

I think you are a bit out of date as to what a main dealer would charge to replace a 12v battery! More like £400 on many models.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Orb>>.

Korando Battery £284 from Halfords. Assume dealer much more expensive + £140 plus vat to change...

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Chris M

"Korando Battery £284 from Halfords. Assume dealer much more expensive + £140 plus vat to change..."

If you choose the easy option then you have to expect to pay through the nose. ECP will sell you a Bosch for just over £100 (depending on year/engine) and that's before any "sale" discount.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Orb>>.

"Korando Battery £284 from Halfords. Assume dealer much more expensive + £140 plus vat to change..."

If you choose the easy option then you have to expect to pay through the nose. ECP will sell you a Bosch for just over £100 (depending on year/engine) and that's before any "sale" discount.

Chris, Just a comparison. I would not be daft enough to do that. I have a good indie anyway.

The only reason the Korando goes to a SSangyong dealer for servicing ( I don't need a battery ) is to maintain the warranty as most of us know how "picky" main dealers can be about warranty claims.

Bosch or Varta from eurocarparts.

Stop/Start 030 72AH 760CCA Car Battery - 3 Year Guarantee

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Orb>>.

Bosch or Varta from eurocarparts.

Stop/Start 030 72AH 760CCA Car Battery - 3 Year Guarantee

Forgot to put price £185.ish

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Chris M

Not out of touch. I was making a comparison.

If a main dealer can charge £200 to replace a battery that can be purchased for £70, that indicates to me that the £500 coolant change may not involve anything exceptional. The £90 brake fluid change is around double what an indy or fast fit may charge and the wiper blade charge is, as usual, extortionate for anyone who can be bothered to find out just how easy a job it is.

EVs (think Leaf) are already in bangernomics territory and the option to DIY the bits that won't fry you will be relevant to many. There's this fallacy that cars haven't been DIY friendly for years. Yes the techy bits may be, but most of the oily bits (engines aside) haven't changed much for decades.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - paul 1963

Trouble is most modern cars need the battery coding to the bms when you change them, not something you can do at home without the correct equipment.

In ORB's case I'd be getting a battery from somewhere like euros and getting my local friendly indi to change it, Bosch, Varta or Yuasa are the brands to trust.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Ethan Edwards

Chris regarding your comment about coolant. Most EVs have coolant but it's in no way related to coolant in ice vehicles. It's to cool the battery cells. It's also not replaced for at least ten years. It's also rather pricey.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 12/07/2025 at 15:11

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Chris M

See service schedule up thread. Renault seem to think coolant needs changing at 5 or 6 years. If it's not water based, what is it.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - galileo

I wonder what's involved with the coolant change? If Renault are charging c£200 to replace the 12v battery (standard less than £100 item you'd find in any ICE), then the c£500 may not involve any special equipment? Makes it all DIYable when the cars reach 2nd owner on.

I think you are a bit out of date as to what a main dealer would charge to replace a 12v battery! More like £400 on many models.

I just bought a 12V Duracell (5 years warranty) from a local motor factor) for the i10 for £113 inc VAT.

Fitted it myself in less than 5 minutes.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - daveyjp

About £80 inc VAT for old battery test, new battery, fitting and new battery test for our Yaris.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - pd

Most cars now require an AGM battery and coding or at least a reset of the BMS. That's why it's not £50.

However you can usually get away with just bunging in any old battery and it may well work but the car will be all confused about it and it might not last that long.

I agree if a main dealer is charging £200 for something you can probably find it for £120 somewhere else.

Edited by pd on 12/07/2025 at 18:03

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
‘ If it's not water based, what is it.’

No idea if it’s the case here, but there’s been waterless coolant for years. It’s glycol based and has a boiling point almost twice that of water. Corrosion concerns are obviously reduced when you don’t have water in a cooling system.

Edit : done a bit of reading and EV’s do seem to use a glycol based coolant as it’s non-conducive.

Edited by mcb100 on 12/07/2025 at 18:57

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Ethan Edwards

This is quite an informative page.

www.prestoneuk.com/blog/a-guide-to-vehicle-fluids-.../

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Steveieb

I remember reading on Cleveley EVs website about a BMW i3 which had a battery control unit problem and the main dealer had quoted thousands to the customer .

Cleveley isolated the problem , which they replaced for a few hundred then asked the Main dealer in Cheltenham to link it to the cars ECU.

They refused outright and it was only when Cleveley contacted BMW in Germany were they given permission to seek the assistance of the main dealer to complete the programming .

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Andrew-T
.... there’s been waterless coolant for years. It’s glycol based and has a boiling point almost twice that of water. Corrosion concerns are obviously reduced when you don’t have water in a cooling system.

Compared to water, glycol is rather viscous and will need to be thinned, or a tougher pump will be called for. Not only that, water is an excellent coolant because of its heat capacity - meaning it transports waste heat away efficiently. Pity it's corrosive really ....

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
A government announcement today heralding the introduction of official signage along major routes showing directions towards EV charging hubs.
I’d imagine most EV regulars are well versed in using their car’s satnav to find chargers, but it may alleviate concerns for those wary of transitioning who keep hearing the mantra of ‘but the charging infrastructure just isn’t there’.
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
Also, today, £25 million’s worth of support aimed at councils to lower the cost of cross pavement cable solutions for those without a drive and further announcements this week to reduce the upfront cost of moving to EV.
The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - Chris M

Most UK cities will have Victorian terraced housing where residents feel it's a result if they are able to park in their own rather than a neighbouring street. A cross pavement cable solution is no solution at all. I don't know what the answer is, but there needs to be one.

The Electric Vehicle (EV) thread Vol 17 - mcb100
One of the downsides of living in the world’s oldest industrial nation.
Our terraced housing was built to get as many of the workforce living as close as possible to the new mills/mines/factories - I’m not sure how many ‘Coronation Streets’ we still have, but still a sizeable number.