Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - JAA17

After 20 years we are going to have to part with our Honda Civic due to rust.

We are getting older, so we have to keep an eye on insurance costs. We have a limited budget, below £15K for definite, or lower if possible around £12K..

Are petrol cars going to be made obsolete, so if we got one of those we are throwing our cash down the drain?

We want a manual if possible and petrol if possible.

We were looking at the Jazz, but heard they had a rust problem. Is this true? Are there any years we should avoid?

Another alleged good solid car is the Toyota Yarris. Is this true? Are there any years we should avoid?

Another thing is we presently have a ?1.5? litre engine on the Civic which we have been told has ?Turbo?. Will a 1.3 litre or even 1.0 litre be a massive difference, especially without turbo? Will we be able to go up hills, or will we have to get out and push?

We genuinely know nothing about cars, so any help you could give will mean a lot to us.

Edited by JAA17 on 06/06/2025 at 14:07

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - daveyjp

Our 8 year old Yaris has just passed yet another MOT with no advisories. It's a 1.5 manual and drives as well today with almost 50,000 miles as it did when we bought it with 9,000. No knocks, rattles or creaks whatsoever.

With over 100bhp it is more than capable in all types of traffic, but I wouldn't want to do hundreds of motorway miles in it.

The downside is the popularity of small reliable cars means to buy it would now cost almost the same as we paid 7 years ago.

As an alternative have a look at cars in the Suzuki stable. My daughter bought a used Swift a few months ago as her first car and you get more for your money. The Swift is larger than a Yaris and better for longer trips, although hers is a 1.2 auto and is happier at 60, rather than 70mph, but she does get 50mpg on decent runs.

My dad is on his second Jazz, its now about 9 years old and no issues in his ownership, but I find the ride very harsh,

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - bathtub tom

You'll probably find a one litre Yaris for less than a 1.3 and it'll be perfectly capable. I've a 1.3 manual (2014 pre facelift) that's lively enough (it'll do an indicated 80MPH in third before it hits the rev limiter and there's still three more gears to go !)

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - Steveieb

Only just found out that the Swift is built in Japan unlike the Jazz and Yaris of that era . Other Suzukis are built in Hungary with locally sourced parts .

This would be. Plus point for me !

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - SLO76
Previous gen Toyota Yaris 1.33 or 1.5 petrol with manual 6 speed box would be a good longterm bet. But better made than the Chinese built Honda Jazz and less prone to terminal rot. Chain driven motor with no vices to be concerned about as long as it sees fresh oil every year or 10,000 miles. Not that I’m saying the Jazz is bad, but my mothers low mileage 67 plate is showing a fair bit of surface rust underneath already, much worse than I was expecting when I gave it the once over the other day. Otherwise it’s been faultless.
Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - Will deBeast

Having owned both, I'd lean towards the Yaris. Both were fine, but the Yaris was nicer to drive and had fewer unexpected bills.

Though the 'magic' seats in the Jazz make for a huge interior space - very useful from time to time.

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - badbusdriver

Another thing is we presently have a ?1.5? litre engine on the Civic which we have been told has ?Turbo?.

I was confused when you said you'd had your Civic for 20 years and it was a 1.5 (because there was no 1.5 option on a 20 year old Civic), but then I thought it must have been bought used rather than new. In that case, it would be the one that shared a lot with the Rover 400/45, which did have a 1.5 option. But unless the car is a diesel, it definitely doesn't have a turbo.

As well as what has already been mentioned, I'd put forward the Mazda 2, but this would be on the assumption that the lack of rear seat space wouldn't be a problem. Very reliable and well built wee cars. They all use a 1.5 engine, but this comes in a few different power outputs, 75, 90, 105 and 115bhp.

I'd also suggest a Skoda Fabia 1.0TSI. This is a turbo, and while it may not actually be that much (If any) faster outright than a non turbo equivalent (in terms of power), it will feel faster and more muscular due to the torque provided by the turbo, which in turn will make it a more relaxing thing to drive. There are two power outputs at the budget you'd be looking at, 95 or 110bhp. The lower powered car would be fine for most, but (I believe) the higher powered version comes with a 6 speed gearbox as standard, which (along with the torque) would make for more relaxed motorway cruising. There are a few other VAG cars based on the same platform and running gear, Audi A1, Seat Ibiza and of course the VW Polo, but the Fabia is probably the sweet spot in terms of value, space and comfort.

One other suggestion (which applies to anything you may consider) is to avoid sporty or high spec trim levels using larger diameter alloy wheels on low profile tyres. These invariably have a detrimental effect on the ride comfort, are more prone to being damaged by potholes or kerbing, will cost more to replace, create more road noise and worse economy (albeit not necessarily by much).

Edited by badbusdriver on 06/06/2025 at 21:29

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - Big John

We were looking at the Jazz, but heard they had a rust problem. Is this true? Are there any years we should avoid?

My Sister's 2011 Jazz still looking pretty good re rust although it has a few terrible mud traps that you need to keep clean eg Rear wheelarches/ inner wings and wheelarch/ sill joins front/rear. Actually the only real fault in the 9years that she's owned it has been failure of the front windscreen wiper mechanism. She does drive it long distance but for me it's a bit of a screamer on the motorway with about 3400rpm @ 70 mph (1.4). Mechanically bomb proof though..

If a manual car is desired then as already mentioned any VAG car with the later EA211 VAG tsi engine are excellent with great torque/power where you need it, stunning economy and lowish revs at motorway speed - eg 1.0 tsi Fabia. They also seem to all be well protected re rust.

Edited by Big John on 06/06/2025 at 23:39

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - gordonbennet

Firstly, petrol cars will be around for donkeys years yet, the battery fad is getting pushed back as anyone could have predicted and will probably be so again (the uniparty could well be replaced as govt in 2029, if it is net zero will almost certanly be stopped), even if they do through with the ban the existing petrol fleet will go on for years...arguably increasing in value because not everyone wants a battery driven vehicle.

Yaris is a fine car, as said keep it serviced and give the undersides a wash down every spring to wash the salt off as one should with any car, if its under 10 years old if you get it serviced at the dealer they'll put another year's warranty on every year up to 10, Toyota dealer servicing isn't expensive.

Alternatively your budget puts you into a Corolla Hybrid too, also the standard petrol version if you prefer not to go hybrid.

Edited by gordonbennet on 07/06/2025 at 05:04

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - alan1302

Firstly, petrol cars will be around for donkeys years yet, the battery fad is getting pushed back as anyone could have predicted and will probably be so again (the uniparty could well be replaced as govt in 2029, if it is net zero will almost certanly be stopped), even if they do through with the ban the existing petrol fleet will go on for years...arguably increasing in value because not everyone wants a battery driven vehicle.

If they stop the ban in 2029 - at this late stage there won't be many new cars to choose from as most manufacturers will have moved on from petrol/diesel in Europe and can't see many wanting to import a few into the UK from other parts of the world - especially when we would need right hand drive versions.

Jazz or Yarris - A Cheap Car That Is Going To Last - John F

Are petrol cars going to be made obsolete, so if we got one of those we are throwing our cash down the drain?

Certainly not. I was in Milton Keynes centre a few days ago and inspected a new Chinese car on display in one of the wide corridors (a Jaewoo). Not electric, petrol engined.

We want a manual if possible ....

I cannot think why anyone would want a manual these days. Do have a test drive in, say, a used Stellantis car with the reliable Japanese EAT6 gearbox (e.g. small Peugeots, Citroens, Vauxhall Crossland before you make a decision you might regret in a few years time.

We were looking at the Jazz, but heard they had a rust problem. Is this true? Are there any years we should avoid?

Cars from Asia do seem to have more old age rust problems than European ones.

Will a 1.3 litre or even 1.0 litre be a massive difference, especially without turbo? Will we be able to go up hills, or will we have to get out and push?

Small non-turbo engines are now passe. Have a test drive in a car with a VAG or Stellantis turbo 1.0/1.2 litre auto powertrain. You will be surprised at the amount of torque at low revs. In our Pug 2008 1.2 EAT6 the 6th gear ratio gives 30mph per 1000revs, which gives a relaxed quiet M-way cruise at a mere 2,500 revs;-).