Blue Badge parking Penalty - Palcouk

Visited a local Hospital I have been to numerous times & parked in disabled bay showing Badge.

Received a penalty notice as apparently 'parking management' had changed and you now have to register your Reg# at a desk in the hospital and entance are now monitered by ANPR, but this isnt obvious, or stated anywhere other than the hospital web site.

The clinic we attended has a seperate side entrance and reception. No notices in the reception about any registration. No signs in the car park entrance or exit, or at any of the disabled bays.

Naturally my appeal was regected, they gave the option to submit to the IAS but is this 'realy' independent or simply a tick box process?

T/Y

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Bromptonaut

Some years since I was in close touch with this stuff.

Last time I was one service had moved from London Tribunals (who do the appeals for the London Councils) to a well regarded Ombudsman outfit.

The other one had a poor reputation for openness and fairness and I think that was IAS. Whether it's upped upped its game since I don't know.

Give it a whirl though, nothing to lose.

Make sure you've clear photo evidence of the lack of signage at your entry point and on the car park generally regarding Blue Badge Rules.

Blue Badge parking Penalty - daveyjp

Chances are its a private invoice (from a private company) and not a penalty (from police or Council).

Don't do anything yet. Moneysavingexpert has a dedicated forum for such matters. As its a hspital (assuming NHS) they also have policies they have to follow as regards parking management.

Edited by daveyjp on 11/04/2025 at 13:49

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Bromptonaut

Chances are its a private invoice (from a private company) and not a penalty (from police or Council).

Don't do anything yet. Moneysavingexpert has a dedicated forum for such matters. As its a hspital (assuming NHS) they also have policies they have to follow as regards parking management.

Given the rejection and the appeal route I'd say with certainty is a Parking on Private Land issue.

Be careful of imprecations to ignore. OK in the short term but since the Beavis case in the Supreme Court parking companies have become much more bullish about pursuing these cases in the County Court.

If they do that and the 'summons' is ignored or overlooked there's a CCJ and next thing is bailiffs at your door.

Just be ready for the paperwork and have your ducks in a row as regards lack of signage.

A complaint to the Hospital might help?

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Falkirk Bairn

Get your camera and/or phone out and scour the car park area for signs.

Only an odd sign in a large carpark, signs too high, writing too small, hidden by trees, dirty, Pay machines out of order, poor mobile signal to pay by phone etc etc

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Palcouk

As a sidenote tried to submit an appeal via IAS website tried under both FireFox & Edge both failed with the generic msg 'must complete all data' Then used a Private browsing session which was successful.

Raised the issue with IAS who responded by ignoring what was said and closed the enquiry/comment stating that an appeal had been submitted.

Blue Badge parking Penalty - daveyjp
IAS aren’t there to help.

Edited by daveyjp on 18/04/2025 at 20:40

Blue Badge parking Penalty - SLO76
I’ve had many private parking invoices over the years - not council fines, and I have paid none of them. A few increasingly hostile letters drop through the door stating that I “could” be taken to court. Then they lose interest when they realise payment won’t be forthcoming.

I believe the law relating to parking on private land in Scotland is a little different from England however. But I’d sure as he’ll be ignoring it unless ab actual court summons arrived, which would cost them a fortune.
Blue Badge parking Penalty - Falkirk Bairn

In England the Parking Vultures chase the car owner irrespective of who was driving the car.

In Scotland, the Parking Vultures only have the name of the car owner from the DVLA. The car owner is not obliged to communicate with the PVs. Assuming you do not communicate with the PV they have no place to go as "their contract" is with the driver and they do not know who the driver was!!

After about 6 months of increasing amounts the PVs gives up. I had one, in the past, that threatened going to the County Court - none exist in Scotland. Last I heard

Parking Fines (rather than PV invoices) from Local Authority and Police must still be paid in Scotland.

How do you tell a LA/Police Fine? - ££ BUT NO VAT

Parking Invoice from the Parking Vultures should show VAT Number & VAT added to the base value. Some PVs send out their "claims for payment" without showing VAT

Beware

If you drive a Company Car/Hire Car /Lease Company i.e. a car not registered in your name, the Company will pay the fine in many cases and then add a chunky fee on top!!

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Bromptonaut

Not sure I agree that the term 'Parking Vultures' should be universally applied. There are plenty of circumstances, not least shopping centre or rail station car parks, where it's perfectly reasonable to penalise those who fail to comply with the rules.

I agree though that there are plenty of egregious practices around things like short overstays, arrival and departure in minutes due to misdirection and 'time to pay'. I was rebuked by an attendant on the South Coast 'cos we'd parked the car and then walked off to find out what the P&D situation was.

I've paid up when I forgot to pay at the station when going into London for the day. On the other hand I got a penalty revoked when I'd forgotten to change the reg on the App after changing my car.

Blue Badge parking Penalty - RT

Not sure I agree that the term 'Parking Vultures' should be universally applied. There are plenty of circumstances, not least shopping centre or rail station car parks, where it's perfectly reasonable to penalise those who fail to comply with the rules.

I agree though that there are plenty of egregious practices around things like short overstays, arrival and departure in minutes due to misdirection and 'time to pay'. I was rebuked by an attendant on the South Coast 'cos we'd parked the car and then walked off to find out what the P&D situation was.

I've paid up when I forgot to pay at the station when going into London for the day. On the other hand I got a penalty revoked when I'd forgotten to change the reg on the App after changing my car.

I've had a couple of tickets withdrawn in council car parks when I forgot to display my Blue Badge - my fault but worth a polite letter

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Terry W

Not sure I agree that the term 'Parking Vultures' should be universally applied. There are plenty of circumstances, not least shopping centre or rail station car parks, where it's perfectly reasonable to penalise those who fail to comply with the rules.

I think "vulture" is entirely appropriate.

Personal recent experience - sold car to WBAC located in Asda car park. Normally a 2 hour limit on parking. WBAC only moved the car the following morning hence the PCN.

I appealed - despite proving the car had been sold and the responsibility of WBAC, they would not cancel the charge. WBAC were no help - their on site rep would not answer emails or phone calls.

I eventually paid up - £40 avoided continuing hassle of pursuing an appeal which may still have been rejected. The law needs radically changing

  • to have a properly independent appeals process, and
  • parking companies to compensate successful appellants for time and stress - perhaps equal to (say) 3 times the fine that would have been charged.

Apparently councils issue ~7m fines a year and private companies ~14m pa - assuming (say) £40 per ticket, the annual parking fine revenue could be £800m.

Many I suspect like me, simply pay rather than wasting time and effort to no good effect.

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Bromptonaut

I think "vulture" is entirely appropriate.

Personal recent experience - sold car to WBAC located in Asda car park. Normally a 2 hour limit on parking. WBAC only moved the car the following morning hence the PCN.

In that case I agree. As was set out in my post there is too much bad practice.

Which parking company and which appeal mechanism (if you used it)?

In a case like that, assuming it's private land and not for some reason regulated by the Council I'd have waited for them to take it to the County Court and defended the claim.

Mrs B had one from the Council where she'd failed to check the P&D regs correctly and not displayed. We could prove we'd paid but as you say some battles are not worth fighting.

Amazing how many recipients of Council fines turn up at CAB looking for advice after the Bailiffs turn up. While enforcement by private companies is hit/miss Councils WILL enforce if you don't engage.

Either they've moved and not updated their address with DVLA or they are, in some way, careless about dealing with post. Bills behind the clock on the mantelpiece territory.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 09/06/2025 at 15:17

Blue Badge parking Penalty - Robert J.

Councils can be as bad as anyone. There was a case I heard a few years back on the local radio where a motorist had parked in Nottingham to take her kids to see the panto. and been fined. The reason? She had bought a ticket from the machine across the road when she should have used the one on the side she had parked. The driver’s argument that she couldn’t see the machine on her side of the road because there was a van parked in front of it got her nowhere. The council pointed out that the machine she used was in a different charging zone, so she checked and found the council was correct. But they didn’t mention it was actually in a higher charging zone, so she had not paid a penny less than she should have done and it all goes into the same council coffers. Council refused to cancel her fine until she went on the radio and shamed them.

This is the same council that was raking in a lot of money in fines from drivers infringing a 24h buses only road. On a road that was not used by any bus services.