'Pool' cars - galileo

Traffic police seem to chase 'pool' cars used by groups of criminals.

These are described as not only untaxed and uninsured, but also 'not registered to anyone'

I'm sure some forum member can explain how a vehicle can be 'unregistered'

When you dispose of a car you either sell it to another person (whose details you send to DVLA), sell or part-ex to a trader or sc***yard (DVLA also informed) or it is stolen (in which case Police/Insurer/DVLA are also informed.

So the only source for unregistered 'pool' cars seems to be stolen and unrecovered vehicles, or have I missed another option? (Brand new cars ex factory or compound excluded as unlikely)

Edited by galileo on 04/02/2025 at 10:15

'Pool' cars - Orb>>.

The previous owner has sent in the documentation (paper slip) (sold to assumed name ?) to the DVLA but the new owner has not registered the car.

It has no official keeper.

'Pool' cars - bathtub tom

The previous owner of this property died. They had a car. I've received numerous letters from TFL, DART charge, local council and one from McDonalds Gatwick airport. Once had bailiffs at the door. Found the VRN and contacted DVLA who removed this address from the V5. Two years later, I can see that car is still taxed, insured and MOT'd. I presume someone's running around in it happily avoiding all penalties and I suspect the BIBs are unlikely to stop it.

'Pool' cars - Gibbo_Wirral

The previous owner has sent in the documentation (paper slip) (sold to assumed name ?) to the DVLA but the new owner has not registered the car.

It has no official keeper.

There's really no excuse for this happening. The seller should be legally obligated to fill in the new keeper section and send it off,and transfer should go from one owner to another.

The buyer doesn't have to do anything these days - they certainly don't have to "register the car" as you put it.

The only way it would fail would be if the buyer had a false driving licence.

'Pool' cars - Andrew-T

I thought only the royal family owned genuinely 'unregistered' cars, but I guess even those will be known to the system in some way. Every vehicle will have a VIN somewhere, and presumably is put on the road by some agency, usually a dealership or sales arm of a manufacturer ?

'Pool' cars - Engineer Andy

Not surprised in the least. A local 'youth' who regularly hangs out with known (to locals and Plod [buy who don't seem to nick them for anything]) 'troublemakers' has a chum who 'owns' a car that I found not to be taxed or have a valid MOT.

Reported both, but don't expect Plod or the DVLA to do anything precisely because of the reasons mentioned by others, and no locals want to get involved (as regards their 'other activities') either out of fear of retribution. I'd put good money on the person/car not being insured either.

This kid (and family generally) are their own worst enemies falling in with a bad lot / acting as some may construe as 'stereotypical', despite having a decent amount going in their favour to avoid such a fate. I can see him ending up behind bars for something serious within a decade.

Daft thing is that my town is 'ringed' by those ANPR type cameras touted by local politicians of all stripes and Plod to use to (only) help 'catch' criminals. I'll be pleasantly surprised (and amazed) if anything positive comes from this.

'Pool' cars - John F

.... a chum who 'owns' a car that I found not to be taxed or have a valid MOT.

Reported both, but don't expect Plod or the DVLA to do anything ......

Would a wheel clamp plus a windscreen note with words conveying 'pay up within 5 working days or car crushed' be much of a drain on the police budget? A reputable breakers yard (assuming there are some) might be pleased to have the business.

'Pool' cars - Engineer Andy

.... a chum who 'owns' a car that I found not to be taxed or have a valid MOT.

Reported both, but don't expect Plod or the DVLA to do anything ......

Would a wheel clamp plus a windscreen note with words conveying 'pay up within 5 working days or car crushed' be much of a drain on the police budget? A reputable breakers yard (assuming there are some) might be pleased to have the business.

I doubt it. Our local Police station isn't manned, and thus he'd be gone by the time the nearest copper turned up (which they wouldn't for that) - coming from 15-20 miles away.

Given the no VED/MOT, I doubt if the 'current' or 'last' registered keeper is this bloke. A nice easy get out for the Police, which is their go-to these days, even for more serious crimes. They have to get some seriously bad publicity for them to do anything meaningful these days, and even then, as we've often seen, that often isn't anywhere near enough.

Sadly, it this relatively 'low level' criminality they get away with that encourages them on to do escalate to more serious stuff.

'Pool' cars - bathtub tom

Dunno, plod took interest in a couple of cars parked nearby. One turned out to be 'sorned', with no tax or MOT, t'other had no insurance. Both were towed.

'Pool' cars - Wasabi
I have wondered the same. Last year I sold a car to WBAC, at the time I notified DVLA of the sale and received confirmation from them that I am no longer the keeper. But if I now look at the car’s online record, I see that it has new tax, new MOT but no new V5 has been issued. I have no idea how that can happen.
'Pool' cars - Wasabi
Forgot to say: The new MOT shows a lower mileage that the car had when I sold it. So it’s been clocked too
'Pool' cars - Engineer Andy

You have to wonder why the .gov website exists at all, given it (in both our cases) has obvious evidence that Plod could use to track down and do as necessary without our intervention.

Another local did not tax/MOT their car for many months and did not SORN it either (at least it didn't say that on the website, and surely it's supposed to). I never saw Plod come to his door, despite the car being parked on the road for months.

Maybe they were too busy going after someone else for 'mean tweets' or suchlike - something really important.

'Pool' cars - bathtub tom

AIuI, plod aren't interested as they regard car tax as a DVLA problem.

'Pool' cars - Engineer Andy

AIuI, plod aren't interested as they regard car tax as a DVLA problem.

Odd that, because on the DVLA website it tells you specifically they cannot deal with VED reports and you must go through local Plod. I could report there that car was not MOTed though.

Likely another game of pass the responsibility parcel for the authorities. The daft thing is that it is a good guide (i.e. both not done) for someone likely to engage in other illegal activities, making Plod's life easier in other ways.