New job, new car - johnnyrev

I will be starting a new job in a few months time, and instead of commuting 10 miles south on the M5, I will be travelling 2 miles up the road. I would like my 2011 Mini convertible to have a bit of a rest and become a second car for days off and holidays.

So I am pondering a car for my short commute and local pottering. My budget is £6k. Something electric might be suitable as I have a big drive and can easily charge at home.

My heart tells me to buy a small Fiat for the fun factor. But my head says buys a Nissan Leaf. Ideally I would like something that easily seats four, is an auto so my wife can drive and isn’t too costly to run (although with doing so few miles, economy isn’t necessarily an issue).

Do any of you wise people have any thoughts?

New job, new car - Adampr

I don't think you need something for the fun factor when you've got a Mini sitting there.

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.

If you want a car, electric is surely the way in your circumstances. A Leaf might be fine, maybe also look at a Kia Soul.

New job, new car - Xileno

A short commute like that is not ideal for an ICE, it will never get hot for a long time. You may find exhausts rot faster and fuel economy will be poor as it's running cold. An EV would seem to be an ideal choice here.

New job, new car - badbusdriver

You could actually get into 2023 Citroen Ami for £6k :-)

But ignoring that, I'd actually be tempted by a Renault Twizy. Be OK for 2 miles surely, even in the winter?.

A bit more sensible though still perhaps a bit of fun to drive, how about a Smart Fourfour (electric)?. Here is a 2020 one owner example on Autotrader for under £6.5k,

202409134012906

Couple of VW e-up's within price range on Autotrader too.

Edited by badbusdriver on 07/12/2024 at 19:55

New job, new car - De Sisti

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Two miles is nothing on a bike.

New job, new car - John F

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Two miles is nothing on a bike.

And so do I. Unless they are medically incapacitated, it makes no sense at all to drive. I used to cycle into work most days until retirement aged 65; a mere 4 miles, part of which was a hill providing the medically desirable daily cardiorespiratory exertion. My 50 yr old canvas Karrimor saddlebag was sufficient for any work related materials. If Brits used bikes like the continentals do, they might be slimmer and healthier with a better life expectancy.

New job, new car - bathtub tom

I biked a two mile commute for nearly thirty years. I can state it was warmer than driving in the Winter (the car never had time to warm up) and pleasant at all other times of the year.

I'll confess to driving, or getting a lift with the missus if it was tipping it down in the morning, but decent clothing would protect. I cycled home often in the rain, but I could get changed when I got there. Suitable clothing was also necessary for walking the dogs and they'd want to go out all weathers!

New job, new car - Andrew-T

<< I used to cycle into work most days until retirement aged 65; >>

So did my father, on one of those solid green Raleighs with hub gears ... He stopped in 1970, but kept the bike at home, riding it stationary on a stand for exercise.

New job, new car - Bromptonaut

Any bike would do but if stowing it at work is an issue a Brompton would be ideal.

Standard front pannier should be more than big enough for the cassock etc....

New job, new car - Xileno

When I lived in Cambridge I cycled about three miles each day to work in all weathers. But the city catered for cyclists better than most and matters may have improved even more in thirty years. I'm not so sure these days, more traffic, motorists more hurried, much quieter cars (even before EV). Often one could hear a car before seeing it. I enjoy motorcycling as I can keep up with the flow, often ahead of it...

So if pedal-power is not attractive maybe a Twist and Go scooter? You can go up to 125cc on L plates.

New job, new car - Steveieb

I live in Northampton and two close friends who are keen cyclists have recently been involved in accidents when out cycling .

One who was only a few hundred yards from home was hit from behind throwing him into the air like a rag doll. He was air ambulanced to a trauma centre after suffering 9 broken ribs and a punctured lung.

The other happened when a motorist changed lanes suddenly causing the cyclist to fall off breaking a femur and wrist.

Both cases, no follow up from the police and recovery times running into months.

Maybe different if you live in a town like Milton Keynes with lots of cycle ways .

New job, new car - De Sisti

I live in Northampton and two close friends who are keen cyclists have recently been involved in accidents when out cycling .

One who was only a few hundred yards from home was hit from behind throwing him into the air like a rag doll. He was air ambulanced to a trauma centre after suffering 9 broken ribs and a punctured lung.

The other happened when a motorist changed lanes suddenly causing the cyclist to fall off breaking a femur and wrist.

Appears that you're trying to make out that cycling is dangerous. :'(

People have crashes and accidents in cars too. One occured over the past few days involving a footballer.

www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/13269325/mic...y

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp83knd6w23o

New job, new car - Engineer Andy

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Two miles is nothing on a bike.

Two miles for me is nothing to walk - 30 minutes. Great exercise, and free (well, almost - just need a bit extra food as fuel). Cycling is fine in good weather, not so much in bad weather, particularly in high winds, in slippery conditions and in heavy traffic, especially in the dark.

The other downside for cycling is that you get to work all hot and sweaty, and thus need a shower and a change of clothes, which isn't actually possible at every workplace, and obviously a sweaty worker isn't exactly desirable!

New job, new car - Bromptonaut

The other downside for cycling is that you get to work all hot and sweaty, and thus need a shower and a change of clothes, which isn't actually possible at every workplace, and obviously a sweaty worker isn't exactly desirable!

Obviously it depends on time of day, distance and terrain but a couple of miles from Euston to the office in the morning never had me hot and sweaty. Might have eased off a bit at height of summer but no real issue in shirt sleeves.

Put a bit more vim in on the way home and arrive at Euston warmed through but not too bad.

Like others if it was hammering down in the morning I might put the Brommy on the bus. In the evening I'd put up with being wet. Given decent clothing I'd be dry by the time I was home.

New job, new car - De Sisti

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.I wholeheartedly agree with this. Two miles is nothing on a bike.

Two miles for me is nothing to walk - 30 minutes. Great exercise, and free (well, almost - just need a bit extra food as fuel). Cycling is fine in good weather, not so much in bad weather, particularly in high winds, in slippery conditions and in heavy traffic, especially in the dark.

The other downside for cycling is that you get to work all hot and sweaty, and thus need a shower and a change of clothes, which isn't actually possible at every workplace, and obviously a sweaty worker isn't exactly desirable!

One doesn't necessarily get hot and sweaty on a two mile ride. If it's up a dirty great big mountain, then maybe. But for a short ride, which should take no more than 15 minutes, then I don't think so.

New job, new car - Engineer Andy

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.I wholeheartedly agree with this. Two miles is nothing on a bike.

Two miles for me is nothing to walk - 30 minutes. Great exercise, and free (well, almost - just need a bit extra food as fuel). Cycling is fine in good weather, not so much in bad weather, particularly in high winds, in slippery conditions and in heavy traffic, especially in the dark.

The other downside for cycling is that you get to work all hot and sweaty, and thus need a shower and a change of clothes, which isn't actually possible at every workplace, and obviously a sweaty worker isn't exactly desirable!

One doesn't necessarily get hot and sweaty on a two mile ride. If it's up a dirty great big mountain, then maybe. But for a short ride, which should take no more than 15 minutes, then I don't think so.

If it's very cold, you have to layer up, which can easily cause you sweat underneath it all (not everyone can afford a £500 cycling outfit that would cope), and in the height of summer, well...especially if the rider weren't that fit to start with.

I would argue though that it's the danger / pollution that is of more importance these days. Very few areas have decent dedicated cycle paths away from the road and pedestrians, and with all those extra 'man in van' deliver drivers et al all day long, I wouldn't want to be cycling in most major towns/cities in the rush hour /winter darkness.

When I'm out of cycle rides (almost always from late spring round to mid autumn - better weather/longer daylight hours --> longer rides possible / nicer riding conditions), I avoid the really busy / dangerous / polluted roads as much as possible (not exactly enjoyable) even if that is a far longer (but more enjoyable) route.

But then I'm cycling for pleasure (including fitness) to see the countryside, not commuting all year round.

Note also that many people need to bring a decent amount of things to work, which might not be possible / a pain when cycling. Or use their car for work trips, which obviously isn't possible for someone on a bicycle.

I still think that walking would be fine, assuming that the journey isn't along country lanes or a dual carriageway /motorway (no footpath) in the middle of nowhere or right aside a heavily polluted road (understandable).

New job, new car - alan1302

The most sensible answer is to buy a bike and have £5k+ available to spend on other things.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Two miles is nothing on a bike.

Two miles for me is nothing to walk - 30 minutes. Great exercise, and free (well, almost - just need a bit extra food as fuel). Cycling is fine in good weather, not so much in bad weather, particularly in high winds, in slippery conditions and in heavy traffic, especially in the dark.

The other downside for cycling is that you get to work all hot and sweaty, and thus need a shower and a change of clothes, which isn't actually possible at every workplace, and obviously a sweaty worker isn't exactly desirable!

I used to do a 2.5 mile trip to work on my bike and never had an issue with being hot or sweaty and I'm certainly not the fitest of people.

New job, new car - Warning

If you buy a £6,000 car, it will depreciate to £0 in a few years, and you’ll need to cover repairs, MOT, fuel and insurance costs. Instead, you could keep the money in a bank or invest it, potentially earning around £300 in interest.

Two miles isn’t very far—you could try jogging to work and maybe take a bus back after work. Cycling is another great option, especially since bikes like Bromptons tend to hold their value.

Even walking can work. I used to pick up co-workers I saw walking along the road.

You could take the car, on days you are late or have plans later in the evening.

New job, new car - johnnyrev

Thanks everyone. A bike might be an option on occasion. I’m a bit wary as the route might be short but is all dual carriageway, although with a 30, 40 and 50 limit (We live near to the Scott Arms crossroads near junction 7 of the M6) and part of it has a separate cycle path.

A bike isn’t usually practical either as I’m carrying stuff, like a cassock (I’m a vicar). And the job means I’m often travelling around, sometimes in the parish, sometimes further afield. But a bike might work on occasion, and there might be a route I can take through Sandwell Valley Country Park.

I had considered an Ami, but as mentioned, I don’t think it would cope very well with the dual carriageways around here! At top speed of 28mph isn’t ideal. The Smart looks good, I didn’t know they did an electric version. An e-up also looks nice.

To avoid depreciation bangernomics might be tempting, but I’m already involved in that risky business with my son and his £1500 Peugeot 107 (if that counts as bangernomics!).

I will keep pondering and have a good look at Autotrader once the Christmas rush is over. Keep going with those suggestions though!

New job, new car - Adampr

As mentioned above, this is near you and will do 50.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406100595511

New job, new car - Ethan Edwards

If you do go for an EV be aware a Leaf charges via an obsolete connector, Chademo. Really good value though. The Fiat500e uses the most popular being CCS. Just don't consider the 24kwh version as it has poor range. Stick to the 42kwh version. We own a Fiat500e and it's really been great, very nippy indeed, so a danger to your licence!

New job, new car - SLO76
I’d certainly be very tempted by a Nissan Leaf. You can get a Mk II 40kwh like ours for around £6-£7k these days thanks to horrendous depreciation. The later 40kwh cars are lasting better with some big mileage ex taxis around still showing 11 and 12 bars of battery capacity. These are excellent commuters and second cars. It costs me about £4 a week compared to £40 on petrol in the Merc and outside of the original battery warranty (5yrs failure, 8yrs degradation) there’s no need to service them beyond changing the battery coolant every 2yrs. There’s no oil to change, no timing belt to snap, no DPF to clog, no injectors to fail and no turbo to pack in. The only common issues relate to the crash avoidance system which goes offline in bad weather as the front cameras are affected by condensation, frost and muck - a pretty useless system really but they come back online when the car is fully warmed up and the front camera is wiped usually.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411146296610

If you look at the cheaper Mk I’d then leave the 30kwh cars as they seem to suffer worse degradation than the smaller 24kwh examples and aren’t worth any extra money. The 24kwh can be had for £2k upwards in decent order. Look for one with at least 10 bars of health left. Look underneath for rot in the rear subframe and all suspension components too as they’re not built with a long life in mind, certainly not in our climate. And don’t touch the early Japanese built cars from 2011 as they suffer the worst from battery degradation, there’s hardly any left functioning anyway.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412036966209


Both are pleasant, relaxing and smooth things to drive with strong acceleration and decent space inside. In winter the range plummets with use of the heating but as a second car and local commuter the 24kwh will be fine and the 40kwh is capable of at least 100 miles in poor conditions at motorway speeds, with up to 160 miles in good weather in local town use or at lower b road speeds. Our car has only cost us for a set of front tyres, and only because the cheap ditch finders Cinch put on it before delivery were dangerous in the wet.

Edited by SLO76 on 10/12/2024 at 11:28

New job, new car - Chris M

"There’s no oil to change, no timing belt to snap, no DPF to clog, no injectors to fail and no turbo to pack in."

But how are the electronics fairing? I've read a few letters in Car Mechanics from owners of MK1s where ludicrous prices are being quoted for replacing failed electronic modules which will write the cars off. You and others here advise against diesels because of potential catastrophic failure, but it seems to me early EVs represent a similar gamble.

New job, new car - SLO76
“But how are the electronics fairing? I've read a few letters in Car Mechanics from owners of MK1s where ludicrous prices are being quoted for replacing failed electronic modules which will write the cars off. You and others here advise against diesels because of potential catastrophic failure, but it seems to me early EVs represent a similar gamble.”

They are a punt. All early EV’s are, thus the low prices. The Leaf is generally reliable if you avoid cars that have been frequently fast charged. The Zoe however has a bit of a nasty rep from what I’m reading on Zoe Facebook pages, though our office pool cars (a 40kwh and a 50kwh) have been no trouble beyond suspension, brakes and tyres.

I agree though that if they do go wrong it can write the car off, but in general there are far fewer things to fail and most Leaf owners speak highly of them including myself. Early Japanese manufactured examples are prone to more issues than later UK cars. But the manufacturers are killing used values by pricing replacement electronics such as the charger on the Zoe and battery packs in general beyond and economic viability. Used values reflect this and PCP and leasing rates are going to rise steeply as finance companies take a bath on cars being returned at the end of term.

It’s as if they don’t want EV’s to be a success. In order to shore up used values they should sell these components at cost and the government should cut vat to zero to try to reassure the trade and the public.

Edited by SLO76 on 10/12/2024 at 17:41

New job, new car - SLO76
Spotted this near me, a cheeky offer of £3,000 might buy it and at that it’s cheap motoring.


Nissan, LEAF, Hatchback, 2015, Other, 1 (cc), 5 doors
Price:£3,450
www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/nissan-leaf...l
New job, new car - johnnyrev

Update:

Having done lots of internet browsing and researching, I have bought a 2015 Leaf Visia. It's in lovely condition with a full main dealer service history and 11/12 on the battery condition display. It's the base model, so no alloys or screen, which is fine with me! 80k miles and all for only £2500.

Now I just need to find a cheap insurance policy for my Mini, perhaps a classic policy? The best quote so far is over £400, ouch! When I had my MX5 on a classic policy it was £120!

New job, new car - paul 1963

Wow! I know SLO said they could be bought cheaply but that sounds like a bargain, hope your pleased with it and it does the job, sounds ideal.

New job, new car - Chris M

"the base model, so no alloys or screen"

Don't know what else it may lack, but those horrible diamond cut alloys are worth avoiding.

New job, new car - johnnyrev

My Mini is on 15” steel wheels so I’m not a fan of big alloys.

New job, new car - SLO76
Well bought. I fully believe these are a total bargain and make for an outstanding second car for commuting and local running. Keep us updated on your experiences please, and enjoy your new old car.
New job, new car - johnnyrev

There was an interesting report recently about the longevity of electric cars:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/24/electric-cars-lifespans-reach-those-of-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-in-uk