Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - badbusdriver

Looking to either service it myself, or have it serviced soon, and been wondering what brand, type and viscosity would be best for my usage?.

Re viscosity, I'm inclined to go with 10w40 because that is the only oil offered by the Italian Piaggio Porter specialist I have used a few times now for parts (BTW, this was Castrol GTX Ultraclean). I'd assume they should know best, but when I Googled oil type for a Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol, 10w40 was coming up in the results, but so was 5w30. When I put the reg number into Halfords website, 5w30 was recommended over 10w40 (which "may not be suitable").

My usage is a mixed bag. I start and end the day driving as much as 45miles to and from where I am working at a fairly constant speed (though revs are higher than you would expect due to the low gearing). But once there, lots of stopping and starting, maybe just round the corner to the next street.

I want to use the best oil I can, but there is so much choice out there, it is difficult to make a decision!. On Halfords website there was two different 10w40 Castrol choices, the aforementioned Ultraclean, but also Magantec (three Castrol options for 5w30), plus whatever other brands were being offered in both viscosities.

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - gordonbennet

Why not cover all bases by finding a 5W40, ridiculously cheap too if you avoid the heavy advertisers.

Plenty of indy suppliers to choose from.

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - Chris M

The Comma oil finder app says 5w40 A3/B4. Tesco will sell you 4L for £22.

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - edlithgow

Looking to either service it myself, or have it serviced soon, and been wondering what brand, type and viscosity would be best for my usage?.

Re viscosity, I'm inclined to go with 10w40 because that is the only oil offered by the Italian Piaggio Porter specialist I have used a few times now for parts (BTW, this was Castrol GTX Ultraclean). I'd assume they should know best, but when I Googled oil type for a Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol, 10w40 was coming up in the results, but so was 5w30. When I put the reg number into Halfords website, 5w30 was recommended over 10w40 (which "may not be suitable").

My usage is a mixed bag. I start and end the day driving as much as 45miles to and from where I am working at a fairly constant speed (though revs are higher than you would expect due to the low gearing). But once there, lots of stopping and starting, maybe just round the corner to the next street.

I want to use the best oil I can, but there is so much choice out there, it is difficult to make a decision!. On Halfords website there was two different 10w40 Castrol choices, the aforementioned Ultraclean, but also Magantec (three Castrol options for 5w30), plus whatever other brands were being offered in both viscosities.

While oil is a good topic to geek-out on (and I have) the chances of anyone having a strong reason for a recommendation, and of you being able to validate that reason, are very slim.

I'd bet even your specialist doesn't really know, and I'd bet A LOT that Halfords has no clue whatsoever..

"May not be suitable"? = "May be suitable"? = May as well shut up if thats the most specific statement you can come up with.

Of the options given I'd go with 10W40 because it'l,l have less viscosity improver in it than 5W40 , which is (slightly) a good thing, because VI isn't really a lubricant , it can shear down, and its degradation products can contribute to sticking piston rings.

On a wee engine like that fuel economy wouldn't be much of a factor for me, (but then I'm not used to UK fuel prices lately) so unless you have cold -starting issues that downgrades the main reason for 5W30. I like Castrol oil, though, oddly to a Brit, it has a fairly downmarket image here in Taiwan

(TBH here I might use CPC straight SAE40 with no VI at all, but thats not a match for a UK winter morning)

In any case you are only committed for an OCI so its a less-than-momentous decision. Maybe carefully monitor fuel consumption and compare? You could even do a used oil analysis if really geeking out, but its likely to be inconclusive, since it probably doesnt matter with you choose,

Edited by edlithgow on 12/11/2023 at 02:49

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - badbusdriver

While oil is a good topic to geek-out on (and I have) the chances of anyone having a strong reason for a recommendation, and of you being able to validate that reason, are very slim.

Probably true, but I thought it worth asking!

Another thought just popped into my head though, that is to ask at the (possibly only) UK specialist for these, Knightcott Motors in Weston Super Mare.

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - Metropolis.

Out of interest did you settle on an oil BBD?

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - Metropolis.

You can also do this the other way around, for example if you have a favoured oil brand, e.g. shell, search: "Shell oil chooser" and follow it through to find the specific type recommended by the oil company themselves.

I tried it with Castrol and they had ZERO resuls for a 2007 onwards 1.3 Porter, oddly, but Shell was much more successful.

www.shell.co.uk/fuels-oils-and-coolants/find-the-r...l

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - elekie&a/c doctor
Don’t think I’d be too fussed about oil make as long as it’s the correct grade . It’s a s/hand vehicle, so you’ve no idea what’s been used before.
Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - corax

Not sure of your model exactly, but when I typed in the details roughly on the Opie Oils website, it came up with plenty of choices in 5W-40.

Type your reg and have a look.

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - Metropolis.
My point was less about make of oil, but more to see what the individual brands are actually recommending, that can be cross referenced to what Halfords, Opie etc say.
Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - Metropolis.

Actually, re-reading my own post it was clearly emphasising brand, whoops! Still, it's a useful double check to go to the oil companies themselves. Granville, Petronas, Miller. Fuchs etc probably have a similar facility.

Personally I go by what it says in the manual and adapt according to the temperature range it gives, unless it is a Rover v8 which even in Thor 4.0/4.6 guise I still use Valvoline VR1 20/50w and change every 3k miles. ZDDP matters!

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - edlithgow

Actually, re-reading my own post it was clearly emphasising brand, whoops! Still, it's a useful double check to go to the oil companies themselves. Granville, Petronas, Miller. Fuchs etc probably have a similar facility.

Personally I go by what it says in the manual and adapt according to the temperature range it gives, unless it is a Rover v8 which even in Thor 4.0/4.6 guise I still use Valvoline VR1 20/50w and change every 3k miles. ZDDP matters!

Yeh, that stuff probably is the ultimate flat-tappet tonic. Not found it here in Taiwan, so just went for the oldest API grades I could find, usually SJ, which gives you a slightly better chance of reasonable levels of ZDDP, though no guarantee.

Most manufacturers are evasive about ZDDP content. Catsrol, for example, says nothing about it for their "classic" oil range, which should have it if anything should.

I saw one old email giving a respectable figure for Mobil Delvac MX 15W40, my favorite at the time. then silence

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - Metropolis.

I can't remember where I read it, but I did see a figure for the ZDDP in Halfords "Classic" oil a while ago and it was dissapointing, and it was rumoured (from the source that I have forgotten..) that the ZDDP content had actually been lowered. It's a pity, the cans are quite nice looking..

I stumpled across this website, which you might find interesting if you haven't seen it already, maybe some of these are available in the ROC.

www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/zddp-content-ch...9

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - edlithgow

I can't remember where I read it, but I did see a figure for the ZDDP in Halfords "Classic" oil a while ago and it was dissapointing, and it was rumoured (from the source that I have forgotten..) that the ZDDP content had actually been lowered. It's a pity, the cans are quite nice looking..

I stumpled across this website, which you might find interesting if you haven't seen it already, maybe some of these are available in the ROC.

www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/zddp-content-ch...9

Thanks. Interesting, (though mostly academic interest for me now since I no longer have the car.)

Might be able to get the Shell Rotella Diesel oil at the bottom of that table, but if it IS actually a diesel oil rather than a carelessly described "dual fleet" with both S and C API classes, you have the (slight?) gamble that its ok in a petrol engine;

The other pervasive snag is that, assuming those tabulated figures are accurate for that time and that market, they might not apply at other places and times, and they dont publish the data so you wouldnt know of any changes. Castrol oils here are made in Thailand.

Lots of "motorcycle" oils available here, at prices comparable or cheaper than car oils (including a Castrol GO 20W40, a nice weight). These are usually API SG, and one might hope they'd have a reasonable amount of tappet tonic, but its secret. Didn't use them in the car because of the (also unknown and impossible to assess because its secret) issue of friction modifiers, but planned to do that when/if I used up my 15W40 stock, which looked like being hard to replace in the future.

Now I'll be using it up in a knackered old SYM Wolf (Honda CB125 clone-ish) if I ever get it going again.

Old motorcycle wiring is REALLY horrible

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - edlithgow

I can't remember where I read it, but I did see a figure for the ZDDP in Halfords "Classic" oil a while ago and it was dissapointing, and it was rumoured (from the source that I have forgotten..) that the ZDDP content had actually been lowered. It's a pity, the cans are quite nice looking..


Might have been me, on BITOG, (I might have posted similar on here, too, but it wont have the picture of the nice tin)

bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/halfords-classic.../

(Apologies for my last post in that thread. Doesn't seem to make sense)

As I said, my main concern about the Halfords classic is that its SE/CC, which seems unnecessarily retro. The ZDDP isn't great (assuming its the same as the Comma stuff) but its comparable with SM limits and at least you can be reasonably sure you are getting some, which isnt the case usually, because they wont tell you.

I wouldn't use the Castrol Classic stuff . Too many weasel words on the website.

ZDDP more of an issue with high performance cars (which the Skywing certainly wasn't) anyway, and in the .absence of good info on it, the best I could do was upping the viscosity, which I did with a 50:50 mix of SAE 40 and 15W40 or 20W50.

Piaggio Porter 1.3 petrol best choice of oil? - edlithgow
Don’t think I’d be too fussed about oil make as long as it’s the correct grade . It’s a s/hand vehicle, so you’ve no idea what’s been used before.

What’s been used before.is unlikely to matter. Minimal carry over after an oil change, if you let it drain and change the filter.

Out of (very) idle curiosity I put 1986 Daihatsu Charade petrol in to that Shell selacta and got

Helix HX5 15W-40 (SN PLUS)

I quite like 15W40, but SN Plus is optimised for LSPI prevention, associated with turbo-boosted DI engines. Rather unlikely to be required for a carburetted 1986 NA engine, though I daresay it wouldnt do any harm, apart from not having any ZDDP in it.

IIRC handbook called for 10W30 SG, which I've never seen. Pretty much anything that isn't ultra skinny would be OK.

Edited by edlithgow on 16/11/2023 at 03:57