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Oh dear! hope you read this ORB, I'll miss your posts if I'm honest, hope the new car is all you expect.
ps: Doubt I'll get a answer but being curious what's happened?
regards Paul
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Had a reply from someone....
The new "owners" of the site don't like any critics of their own reviews or their reviewing style.,
Be fun when the viewing traffic and advertising revenue falls off.
Now this is the end.
Avant, Please ask for all my data, posts, usernames and emails and reviews to be removed under The GDPR regulations.
Edited by Goodbye from Oldroverboy on 19/02/2020 at 08:43
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I will miss your contributions orb I hope you enjoy your new sporty I have had mine 8wks and love it so well built and comfy I am sure you will not be the last to leave if this site stop being so honest and becomes a platform for VW with its reviews
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duplicate post
Edited by Goodbye from Oldroverboy on 19/02/2020 at 08:36
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That is very disappointing. I have not been a member of this forum for long but I have enjoyed reading your input. Personally I am concerned at how ‘free speech’ is being eroded in many aspects of our society, just one example is the Daily Telegraph being very selective about which of it’s articles allow comments to be posted. One would expect better from a newspaper.
Sad to see you leave ORB.
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Interesting to note Avant has not replied.
Perhaps he has been banned as well.
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Interesting to note Avant has not replied.
Perhaps he has been banned as well.
No idea but this is interesting
www.am-online.com/news/supplier-news/2020/02/18/he...s
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Interesting Heycar state: “We launched heycar to drive greater trust and transparency for motorists and the industry."
And: "he insisted that the website would continue to deliver impartial, independent advice to its loyal following."
If ORB was defenestrated for daring to criticise the new owners, then it looks like I could be next. I wouldn't want to be part of any forum controlled by such snowflakes.
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Interesting to note Avant has not replied.
Perhaps he has been banned as well.
Maybe busy with real life?
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Interesting to note Avant has not replied.
Perhaps he has been banned as well.
Maybe busy with real life?
Indeed It's worth bearing in mind that, as I believe it, Avant is not paid to be the moderator - it's a part-time volunteer job.
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Very sorry to see you go ORB.
Any motoring media, whether it be Autocar, Auto Express, DT or HJ, is there to make profit for its owners and they all have their own agenda. Take everything you read with a pinch of salt.
p.s. Having now read the link posted by bolt, it's fairly clear what the agenda is now.
Edited by Chris M on 19/02/2020 at 09:29
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p.s. Having now read the link posted by bolt, it's fairly clear what the agenda is now.
Looked at the link and read this line
In the seven months since its launch in the UK market, with the backing of the Volkswagen Group and Daimler, heycar has already delivered growth for car dealer clients
So basically if you write about brands other than VAG and Daimler (presume that is Merc and Smart) you will not be wanted on here.
But what happens to those who have problems with those brands?
Guess it will be a total ban on all the Jap car fan boys.
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Guess it will be a total ban on all the Jap car fan boys.
Lol....that's me gone then.
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p.s. Having now read the link posted by bolt, it's fairly clear what the agenda is now.
Looked at the link and read this line
In the seven months since its launch in the UK market, with the backing of the Volkswagen Group and Daimler, heycar has already delivered growth for car dealer clients
So basically if you write about brands other than VAG and Daimler (presume that is Merc and Smart) you will not be wanted on here.
But what happens to those who have problems with those brands?
Guess it will be a total ban on all the Jap car fan boys.
Will HJ not be recommending the Honda Jazz as his got to car when people ask for car advice from now on even if it isn't what people are looking for.
I'm only messing around but will VAG and Mercedes be more of the suggestions people are given?
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Any motoring media, whether it be Autocar, Auto Express, DT or HJ, is there to make profit for its owners and they all have their own agenda. Take everything you read with a pinch of salt.
p.s. Having now read the link posted by bolt, it's fairly clear what the agenda is now.
Having also read most of Bolt's link I am of the same opinion. It won't be because I say nasty things about German cars, but I may well emulate Sajid Javid and depart with dignity. I don't like the flavour of this lot.
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Very sorry to see you go ORB.
Any motoring media, whether it be Autocar, Auto Express, DT or HJ, is there to make profit for its owners and they all have their own agenda. Take everything you read with a pinch of salt.
p.s. Having now read the link posted by bolt, it's fairly clear what the agenda is now.
Odd how they can say they will continue to be independent, but that AM is a Bauer Media brand, who also own Parkers, a direct competitor to this website.
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That is very disappointing. I have not been a member of this forum for long but I have enjoyed reading your input. Personally I am concerned at how ‘free speech’ is being eroded in many aspects of our society, just one example is the Daily Telegraph being very selective about which of it’s articles allow comments to be posted. One would expect better from a newspaper.
Sad to see you leave ORB.
The DT is very open compared to the Guardian. (Which purports to be a leader in free speech)
And teh Guardian's moderation policy is MUCH stricter... if you support immigration or population controls or criticise teh Scott Trust (which own the Guardian), or the editors for being white/male/Oxbridge then your post will disappear.
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So unfortunate that somebody who is a regular and frequent poster has been defenestrated.
Doesn't auger well for the future.
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So unfortunate that somebody who is a regular and frequent poster has been defenestrated.
Doesn't auger well for the future.
Him being barred baffles and worries me also - I've found nothing in his comments to be particularly controvercial or warranting his account being suspeded/deleted.
I've personally seen a big increase on other wesbites, especially newspapers, of very heavy-handed moderation, seemingly following edicts from Up High about reader criticism of the editorial tone (and changes therein) and of articles themselves. As of yet, I've never seen that sort of thing here.
As I'm not aware of the particulars of ORB's case, I cannot comment, but I would hope that Avant can shed some light on what has happened, at least in general terms, especially if, as some have said, this could be part of wider and significant chages based on the apparent affiliations of the new owner of the website.
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I have had great respect for the Guardian since the Miners strike in 1984. As a member of the management team at a Nottinghamshire Colliery we were rota'd the work nights, in normal times the night shift was managed by the colliery overmen.
At the end of my shift I had to report to area control the number of men that had turned up for work and the amount of coal produced. The colliery employed about 1200 men and produced about 1,000,000 tonnes a year. One week on nights the number of men was about 9 (normally would have been about 300) and the coal produced was zero (normally about 4000 tonnes), Night shift was the lowest producing shift since at least one coal face would be on maintenance (zero production) and this obviously required fewer support workers.
One morning at about 4.30 it became obvious that instead of the usual picket presence numbers were building into 3 figures meaning that the 2 Policemen present looked a little inadequate. I reported to area and you could hear the panic set in. Within 10 minutes busses of police arrived together with horses and all the men who wished to cross the picket lines were allowed to do so.
But the news on local and national radio/TV did not reflect this in any way. Basically the party line was all Nottinghamshire Collieries were working normally and production was unaffected plus all the Yorkshire Pickets had been prevented form entering the county. Obviously a total lie since the colliery I worked at produced nothing on one shift, reduced amounts on the others and the number of miners working was about 1/2 normal. The extra pickets were 100% Yorkshire men. If they could fail to notice what was happening at my colliery what was the actual truth at the other Nottinghamshire Colleiries.
The following week I bought a copy of the Guardian (which I did on occasions) and on page 3 (still have that page) there was an article about my colliery the previous week. It was absolutely spot on in every detail.
Total respect to the Guardian. Even the supposed worker supporting Mirror could not bring itself to tell the truth and the local press wore blinkers when carrying reports.
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The following week I bought a copy of the Guardian (which I did on occasions) and on page 3 (still have that page) there was an article about my colliery the previous week. It was absolutely spot on in every detail.
Total respect to the Guardian. Even the supposed worker supporting Mirror could not bring itself to tell the truth and the local press wore blinkers when carrying reports.
We hear you, Comrade...
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How very unfortunate. ORB has always posted interesting, positive and polite posts. A gentleman in an online world that can be anything other than gentlemanly. For him to have a post deleted would seem very out of character. Perhaps it was a non-crime hate crime and his thinking needed to be corrected? Let’s look on the bright side though, all those problems with VW DSG gearboxes have suddenly been resolved!
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The Guardian (and the vast majority of the legacy quality print media, including The Telegraph, which I still [just about] subscribe to) are a pale shadow of their former, pre-internet selves.
Even though I disagreed with them politically on a fundamanetal level, I often read factual news articles in that paper (as I did in all the former broadsheets) in my school library. Nowadays all of them as, in my view not just mouthpieces for their owners (who back then at least had 'viewpoints' as well as a need to make profits), but are corporate rage/clickbait merchants and activists who in no way represent most of the general population.
That's why readership is dropping like the proverbial stone and going to a multitiude of small, independent media outlets.
I just hope that this website does not follow the same path as the legacy media. If it does, it's finished.
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That is very disappointing. I have not been a member of this forum for long but I have enjoyed reading your input. Personally I am concerned at how ‘free speech’ is being eroded in many aspects of our society, just one example is the Daily Telegraph being very selective about which of it’s articles allow comments to be posted. One would expect better from a newspaper.
Sad to see you leave ORB.
The DT is very open compared to the Guardian. (Which purports to be a leader in free speech)
And teh Guardian's moderation policy is MUCH stricter... if you support immigration or population controls or criticise teh Scott Trust (which own the Guardian), or the editors for being white/male/Oxbridge then your post will disappear.
The Telegraph has themselves ramped up the harsh moderation of reader commentary, both generally over the last few years and especially in the last year - as evidenced by yesterday's debacle with their mods deleting comment after comment citing actual peer-reviewed scientific reports debunking part of the article and reader criticism of the them being deleted.
I'm sure some of you have seen me savaging them on my than one occasion saying they have copied the Guardian's methodology in this repsect, inclduing bending the knee on politically-correct issues to not garner hate on the woke twittersphere/TV/radio news just because its easier to deal with it.
The DT mods appear to crack down far more on criticism of themselves and the journalists/Editors and their articles than of the paper's current owners, the infamous Barclay Bros.
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