Accident on Roundabout - killie77
The Wife was driving in Kilmarnock yesterday, when she had an accident on the Bellfield Interchange.
From what she has told me of the incident,I’m trying to figure out who was in my the wrong.
She had entered the Roundabout off off the A77 slip road coming from Glasgow. From what I remember of the location it’s a 2 lane slip road to the Roundabout. She was on the inside lane.
When she entered the Roundabout she needed to take the 4 th exit Bellfield turnoff. She had kept to the inside lane all the way round when she approached and drew level with the 3rd exit a Vehicle crashed in to her drivers side Door. I’m guessing the other car was on the Outside lane and had decided to take the 3rd exit. They exchanged details the other Driver mentioned that my Wife was in the wrong lane which is why the Accident occurred. Myself if I was entering the Roundabout to take the 4 th exit Im guessing I would have entered on the Outside lane and crossed over just before the 4th exit
Any views on this ?
Ian
Accident on Roundabout - Happy Blue!

It depends if she was indicating. I would do like you do.

Accident on Roundabout - bathtub tom

By inside lane, do you mean left hand lane? If so I would refer you to the highway code rule 186 and the diagram associated with rule 185.

Accident on Roundabout - mcb100
Clarification on what are the inside and outside lanes would be useful. The inside lane on a dual carriageway is usually considered to be the left, whilst the inside on a roundabout could be to the right.
Accident on Roundabout - Andrew-T

Let's call them nearside and offside, since inside/outside or slow/fast might be ambiguous. If I intended to use the 4th exit I would definitely use the offside lane on entering. Staying in the nearside lane until a late exit makes no sense - if everyone did that there would be no need for a second lane.

But I'm not sure anyone was legally 'in the wrong'. It was probably an absence of signalling (or perhaps an incorrect signal) that led the other party to a wrong assumption?

Edited by Andrew-T on 05/03/2019 at 09:54

Accident on Roundabout - FP

What would make a difference is if there were lanes marked and if the markings indicated left-turn or straight on, right or whatever.

Accident on Roundabout - Leif

What would make a difference is if there were lanes marked and if the markings indicated left-turn or straight on, right or whatever.

Exactly.

In general, assuming two lanes on approach and two lanes on the roundabout:

1) To go left stay in the left hand lane.

2) To go straight ahead use either lane.

3) To turn right use the right hand lane.

But the above can be overridden by lane markings: I can think of several roundabouts where you can use either lane when turning right, essentially because the roundabout is a kink in a main road with additional exits for minor roads.

Accident on Roundabout - gordonbennet

From the sounds of it, your wife was in the wrong (left hand) lane for taking a 4th exit, but without seeing the layout of the road, the marking on the road, and any signs before said roundabout showing lane demarcation for which exit is to be used, it's not cut and dried by any means.

There are always relative speeds and sensible driving to be taken into consideration in such cases, was it reasonable as a stranger might to be proceeding reasonably carefully around the roundabout and making for the exit, when along comes billy whizz taking the racing line at 50mph at a busy time of day as one might at 3am with not a soul to be seen.

This case calls for witnesses and carefully going over the road layout markings and signage, a front facing camera in your car might not actually be much use in this case other than confirming if what your wife did herself was reasonable and that an alert driver should have realised and had ample opportunity to avoid hitting her.

Just because someone has got themselves in the wrong lane doesn't mean they are automatically in the wrong, ideally an independent witness with a clue, or at least two angle video recording (front and rear in my car for instance, our lorries have front and side facing cameras) would be handy here.

Edited by gordonbennet on 05/03/2019 at 10:19

Accident on Roundabout - killie77
Thanks for all the replies. It’s a tricky one the Wife has the Grandson in the back of the Carin Baby seat, I guess she may have been a bit cautious and was taking her time going around .She may have felt that keeping to the nearside lane without deviating before she was on the 4th exit was the safest place to be. She tells me she had not signalled or given an indication that she was going to exit before reaching the exit she wanted. So i’m assuming the other driver may have thought she would take the 3rd exit and moved in to position not realising she was going straight on .
Accident on Roundabout - Brit_in_Germany

There are road markings

goo.gl/maps/ZZ6kigoBSwM2

and signage

goo.gl/maps/a8KGe1Xvf8J2

I expect at best she can hope for 50:50.

Accident on Roundabout - killie77

Thanks for the Maps their really handy Ill try and send a link to the Insurers

Thanks

Ian

Accident on Roundabout - Theophilus

I would certainly not expect a driver to enter a roundabout and remain in the left / nearside / outside lane if they were intending t take the 4th exit ... unless I am driving in France where this seems to be the usual practice!

Accident on Roundabout - FP

On the continent exactly that seems to happen a lot. It can be pretty confusing when you're waiting to join a roundabout.

Accident on Roundabout - coopshere
If she wasn’t indicating to go off at that point then she is perfectly entitled to stay in lane and continue around the roundabout. The idiot that hit her was clearly expecting her to leave but it is idiots duty to ensure that his/her manoeuvre is safe and does not incur the other vehicle to have to change speed or direction. Clearly there is some mitigation if the road markings at that point indicate that the near side lane is only for exiting there. This scenario is an ever increasing one where there are two exit lanes from roundabouts especially when drivers are local and it is the general manoeuvre made by them. If there were no specific lane markings on the roundabout at the exit point the idiot driver should also have been in the near side lane and not cut across from the offsside lane.
Accident on Roundabout - killie77

Thanks again for all the replies. I've been on that roundabout a couple of times and can't remember how the Road Markings are laid out. Im assuming that the other Driver if intending to take exit 3 should have moved in to position as he passed exit 2 that would put him behind my wife, it would also give him the opportunity to see she wasn't indicating to go off at exit 3. It's a very busy roundabout and at that time of the Day 5 PM it would be even busier. I contacted the Insurers last night Hastings Direct. and they took my Wife's details and account of the accident. We were then transferred to another company called Auxilis .Ive not heard of them but when speaking to them they appeared to be the Claims Managers. Their sending out a form for me as the Main Policy holder to complete. apparently this is a Credit agreement form, when i asked why, they explained that they would be paying up front for the Repairs Hire Car etc. And would then allow up to 49 weeks for the other Insurers to settle. So I'm guessing that if the other Insurers don't settle I'm liable, hence the Credit agreement ?

Accident on Roundabout - Falkirk Bairn

Credit Hire car charged at an eye watering rate.

Is the car still able to be driven?

If yes, then let matters progress & worry about a hire car when it is being fixed - a loaner from a bodyshop for a few days might be available.

I would revisit the scene with your wife and ask her what she was doing at each point going round- picture should be clearer once you have driven around a few times.

Accident on Roundabout - killie77
Thanks
Car is driving fine.Going down to the Accident Repair people tomorrow to let them take a look..
Define toy going back to the Roundabout and do a bit of a Detective work :)