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Sat 2 Mar 2019 01:52

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Ethan Edwards

inews.co.uk/essentials/lifestyle/cars/car-news/man.../

The EU has plans to make ISA so called intelligent speed assistance mandatory in our cars. This means you wont be able to drive in excess of the posted limit. The black box will take control away from you. All in the name of safety. Couple of things it's going to be based on GPS and the mapping is far from accurate where limits are concerned. Second let's say your on a motorway running alongside a minor road. You could find yourself unable to exceed 30mph as the system thinks you are on the minor road. I am not comfortable giving up control. Even if we do manage to Brexit we'll still end up getting this imposed on us. These EU types really love their mission creep dont they. Remember this EU started out as a simple trading bloc. Its morphing into a totalitarian nightmare. And they wonder why we want out?

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 06:10

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - oldroverboy.

On one site I read, it said that the driver would be able to override it.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 06:19

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Brit_in_Germany

There is a discussion in HJ's news article

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/legal-motoring-advice/20.../

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 08:32

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - RT

On one site I read, it said that the driver would be able to override it.

Initially maybe - but expect version 2 to have no override.

This does of course relate to a time when cars are obsolete and all travel is in autonomous EV taxi-pods, could be nearer than we'd all like.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 18:34

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Leif

On one site I read, it said that the driver would be able to override it.

Initially maybe - but expect version 2 to have no override.

This does of course relate to a time when cars are obsolete and all travel is in autonomous EV taxi-pods, could be nearer than we'd all like.

And then we will discover that most accidents involve French cars, and Land Rovers whereas no one dies in a Toyota. The big problem with autonomous vehicles is the reliability of the subsystems which at present is not high enough. It may well be that we will have something along the lines of trams or cable cars in the future.

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Wed 6 Mar 2019 12:04

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - bluezzr1100

autonomous cars cannot work until the control system has an intelligence equivalent to that of a human being. Listen to Doctor Hannah Fry's programme and read her book. At present it simply cannot work. Leaving that aside do we all wash our cars every day? If not those cameras and sensors are going to fail at some point!!

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 07:37

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - T Lucas

sounds like a good idea to me and i've thought this would happen for a long time.So many people drive above limits unsafely and this is a cheap easy fix to save lives and emisions etc.Very easy sell for the government although a bit more difficult to blame the EU if we carry on with the self harm of Brexit.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 08:32

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - daveyjp

I am really not concerned. Any changes like this takes many years to eventually filter through to all vehicles. If the UK thought it was a bad idea we could veto the the proposal, we haven't because UK Government knows how much a road accident involving death or serious injury costs the taxpayer. It can run into millions,

It is still a proposal which will take at least three years to become a requirement. It will only be required on new vehicle designs, so it could be 10-15 years before some vehicles have the tech, and an the ability to disable the system will be provided to give choice.

What this is actually about is providing the tech to the move towards more autonomous vehicles which will happen over the next 15-20 years.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 18:25

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Andrew-T

sounds like a good idea to me and i've thought this would happen for a long time.

It sounds like a good idea for a few seconds until one engages brain to think about some of the likely problems. For instance on 'fast' roads a sensible speed limit might be 50-55 in heavy traffic during rain, while in late evening in the dry perhaps 80 or more. I would be in favour of a system which could handle scenarios like that, but I suspect it would become another way to penalise careless or thoughtless drivers.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 08:41

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Bromptonaut

The article is quite clear that it can be either over ridden or turned off. We're about to commit to economic kamikaze because people who can't or won't read an article to the end have grabbed the controls.

What does UK government have to say about it in Council of Ministers or via our MEPs? Whatever influence we have there is about to be chucked away but as you OP observes we'll be stuck with it anyway. Indeed it's already present in numerous models and like everything from screenwashers to ABS it's safety gains are such that it's becoming mandatory is pretty much a given.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 02/03/2019 at 08:50

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 12:30

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - sandy56

I have travelled a lot in Europe and gave up driving there some years ago.

I just used the train, and where necessary taxis. A lot less hassle, no parking problems and could do some work on the longer train journeys.

What's not to like.

The Eurocrats need to be careful they dont kill off their own car industries.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 17:32

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - SteveLee

The Eurocrats need to be careful they dont kill off their own car industries.

Since when did the EU care about the wealth of member states? The political project is everything, the unelected Eurocrats would kill off cars tomorrow if they could, they hate the independence and personal freedom the motorcar delivers to the masses. Same for cash - they can't wait to control whether you can eat or not. Starving people who oppose the political project by turning off their access to cash is not far off, see stage 1:- Globalist-run Social media is already demonetizing videos which don't follow state-sanctioned globalist "opinions" - Do you really think these systems are to enforce speed limits? Nope, they will clearly be used track and stop rogue Proles travelling. The same reason you're seeing the emergence of calls to "police" the internet.

Now the EU army is officially on the cards - the jack boots will soon follow. Our young have been brainwashed into giving up access to their personal data (and cash) in exchange for convenience - be scared, be very scared.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 17:40

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Vitesse6

The Eurocrats need to be careful they dont kill off their own car industries.

Since when did the EU care about the wealth of member states? The political project is everything, the unelected Eurocrats would kill off cars tomorrow if they could, they hate the independence and personal freedom the motorcar delivers to the masses. Same for cash - they can't wait to control whether you can eat or not. Starving people who oppose the political project by turning off their access to cash is not far off, see stage 1:- Globalist-run Social media is already demonetizing videos which don't follow state-sanctioned globalist "opinions" - Do you really think these systems are to enforce speed limits? Nope, they will clearly be used track and stop rogue Proles travelling. The same reason you're seeing the emergence of calls to "police" the internet.

Now the EU army is officially on the cards - the jack boots will soon follow. Our young have been brainwashed into giving up access to their personal data (and cash) in exchange for convenience - be scared, be very scared.

Let me guess, you believe in the fairy stories written on that red bus too

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 17:58

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - SteveLee

Let me guess, you believe in the fairy stories written on that red bus too

The government have already increased NHS funding beyond the figure on that bus - not that the press have made a song and dance abut it, what about the 500-800K finance jobs that were supposed to be immediately lost by voting leave? The emergency budget? I could carry on listing project fear tems that didn't come true - but of course they say - "oh but we haven't left yet" when the claims were made about voting leave - not actually leaving. If you think the above are fairy tales, imagine an EU that replaces a democratically elected prime minister for daring to offer their citizens a referendum on EU membership - or raids the PRIVATE accounts of a whole nation's citizens to give them a haircut - I can't believe that given the above events HAVE happened, there are still gullible fools who think the EU is benign force for good.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 18:33

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Andrew-T

<< I can't believe that given the above events HAVE happened, there are still gullible fools who think the EU is benign force for good. >>

... and none who think it is a malign force for bad? As usual, some (most) people believe what they want to believe, sometimes to the point where no-one else can persuade them of anything different.

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Wed 6 Mar 2019 00:09

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - SteveLee

... and none who think it is a malign force for bad? As usual, some (most) people believe what they want to believe, sometimes to the point where no-one else can persuade them of anything different.

Okay, So how would you describe an unelected body of bureaucrats who remove a democratically elected leader and raid and plunder the private bank accounts of a whole nation of citizens because their government broke a rule? Can you remind me when or where we (or they) voted for this?

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Thu 7 Mar 2019 13:14

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - alan1302

... and none who think it is a malign force for bad? As usual, some (most) people believe what they want to believe, sometimes to the point where no-one else can persuade them of anything different.

Okay, So how would you describe an unelected body of bureaucrats who remove a democratically elected leader and raid and plunder the private bank accounts of a whole nation of citizens because their government broke a rule? Can you remind me when or where we (or they) voted for this?

What are you on about?

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Sun 3 Mar 2019 21:53

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - T Lucas

I think overall the EU has been very good and progressive for road safety,just a few that come to mind,Hi Viz jackets,first aid kits and spare bulbs.I get that there is a sizeable number of people in the UK that think anything from the EU is wrong but that usually demonstrates a lack of sense/education.BTW if anyone thinks that there is about to be a conscripted EU army i think they need a lie down followed by a serious head examination.Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!!

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Thu 7 Mar 2019 20:29

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - SteveLee

.BTW if anyone thinks that there is about to be a conscripted EU army i think they need a lie down followed by a serious head examination.Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!!

A couple of years ago Nigel Farage was called a "dangerous fantasist" during a public debate by Europhile Nick Clegg for suggesting the EU wanted to form an army. Who was right? And who mentioned conscripted? The EU wants to absorb all member state armies and take control of foreign policy. Of course it needs to do this pretty quickly, as in the next 30-40 years, many native populations will realise they are fast becoming a minority in their own ancestral homelands, there will be widespread civil unrest that need to be crushed by the EU - also, as a last harrah of the dying cultures, so called popularist parties will briefly gain power - and they will not be allowed control of their own armies for obvious reasons.

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Thu 7 Mar 2019 22:44

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - alan1302

.BTW if anyone thinks that there is about to be a conscripted EU army i think they need a lie down followed by a serious head examination.Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!!

A couple of years ago Nigel Farage was called a "dangerous fantasist" during a public debate by Europhile Nick Clegg for suggesting the EU wanted to form an army. Who was right? And who mentioned conscripted? The EU wants to absorb all member state armies and take control of foreign policy. Of course it needs to do this pretty quickly, as in the next 30-40 years, many native populations will realise they are fast becoming a minority in their own ancestral homelands, there will be widespread civil unrest that need to be crushed by the EU - also, as a last harrah of the dying cultures, so called popularist parties will briefly gain power - and they will not be allowed control of their own armies for obvious reasons.

Of course the EU hasn't suggested an EU army...don't let facts get in a way of what you want to believe.

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Fri 8 Mar 2019 00:46

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - FP

"Of course the EU hasn't suggested an EU army...don't let facts get in a way of what you want to believe."

You need to do some research. An EU army is very much a part of the European Project.

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Tuesday endorsed the creation of an EU army, siding with French President Emmanuel Macron..." tinyurl.com/yauvc77q (14th November 2018)

There's plenty more out there to back it up.

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Fri 8 Mar 2019 22:40

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - alan1302

"Of course the EU hasn't suggested an EU army...don't let facts get in a way of what you want to believe."

You need to do some research. An EU army is very much a part of the European Project.

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Tuesday endorsed the creation of an EU army, siding with French President Emmanuel Macron..." tinyurl.com/yauvc77q (14th November 2018)

There's plenty more out there to back it up.

Plenty to show what they really want as well:

EU Army

Of course one or two leaders of a EU country wanting something does not mean that the EU wants that overall. It is just what there thoughts are. If President Marcon says something that does not mean the EU want it.

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Sat 2 Mar 2019 18:07

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Engineer Andy

The article is quite clear that it can be either over ridden or turned off. We're about to commit to economic kamikaze because people who can't or won't read an article to the end have grabbed the controls.

What does UK government have to say about it in Council of Ministers or via our MEPs? Whatever influence we have there is about to be chucked away but as you OP observes we'll be stuck with it anyway. Indeed it's already present in numerous models and like everything from screenwashers to ABS it's safety gains are such that it's becoming mandatory is pretty much a given.

If indeed the kit be be overridden, why have it? I wouldn't be surprised if over-riding this will then send data to an insurance black box which will penalise you come renewal time, even if (as others say) the unit is faulty about your location. GPS/map-based satnav systems are nowhere near 100% correct on speed limits, so why should these be, especially in rural areas that are less likely to be surveyed and/or regularly.

As regards our 'influence' in the EU and regarding safety standards, most safety standards across many industries originate from member states first, not from the EU , and then are adopted because they are seen as good or at least acceptable.

Most engineering standards used in Europe originated from British Standards (the vast majority of the rest of the world base their standards on ours), so we are perfectly capable of designing safety standards that benefit consumers if the right people are in government and the civil service.

If not, what does that say about how we are governed that we 'need' to rely on an unelected bureaucracy to make our laws without our censent? Maybe they need replacing.

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Sun 3 Mar 2019 16:14

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Smileyman

I can recall riding in taxis whilst in Singapore back in 1988, every time the driver went over a certain speed a bell would ring ... linked to a network of road speed limits.

I'm comfortable with a dashboard light operating whenever the car is going above a pre-set speed, as long as only the driver sees it and the activation is silent!

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Wed 6 Mar 2019 08:54

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - expat

I have a speed alarm in my car - 2003 Ford Australia Falcon station wagon. You can switch it on or off as it suits you and set any speed you like. It beeps a couple of times when you exceed the preset limit. I use it all the time. It is a real licence saver. On long country roads it is easy for your speed to gradually creep up without noticing. All it does is beep at you. It does not contact big brother and automatically give you a speeding ticket. I would have liked cruise control but that wasn't offered on the base model which was what I got.

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Wed 6 Mar 2019 09:47

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - gordonbennet

Oh i can't wait for those who welcome across the board speed limiters to discover the 'benefits' for themselves.

We've had this on lorries for over 20 years now, and most car drivers hate the elephant racing aspect as much as we do, well dear proles for what you are about to receive, you will not enjoy limiters one bit because they lead to anger frustration bunching tailgating fatigue and more, not to mention the very worse aspect the dumbing down of driving abilities.

As for being able to be overridden, yes of course that will be the case until they get a few high profile cases so they can remove the override a few years down the line.

It has been obvious for years the German dominated european project is all about total control of europe, eventually to become eurabia, they couldn't manage it with arms and mass murder previously, this time they've doing it by stealth and the destruction of other european economies by various means...and some people think it would be a good idea to hand over control of a european army (which Sir Clogg assured us was pure fantasy) to them, you could not make this stuff up.

In time to come, the freedom loving peoples of all of europe may be rather thankful Russia and the surviving at the time Visegrad countries arn't playing and won't be dictated to, whether we will stand with Russia in defence of German led aggressive expansion once again remains to be seen, the events of later this month and over the next couple of years we will have an inkling.

It won't be long before people with views like mine will be sent for re-education to the new gulags, already those with the wrong views are being hounded bullied no-platformed and sometimes have their very careers destroyed by the army of useful idiots, well represented on facetwit

I feel sorry for these useful idiots in some ways, they forget that the way they are encouraged view and despise previous generation's opinions and values, that their current views and actions will be equally reviled when the next generation have been programmed with the next stage, and its happening to ever younger children, didn't Pol Pot use similar methods.

Edited by gordonbennet on 06/03/2019 at 09:47

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Wed 6 Mar 2019 10:05

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Brit_in_Germany

GB, can you really see a speed camera obsessed UK not implementing such a requirement if the EU adopts it?

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Wed 6 Mar 2019 10:13

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - gordonbennet

GB, can you really see a speed camera obsessed UK not implementing such a requirement if the EU adopts it?

No, absolutely, we all know its coming just a matter of time whether the EU does it or not, i just wish people didn't view such things with rose tint glasses, limiters are horrid things and the vast majority of people will not like it when it comes to pass.

Another ratchet up to the total surveillance total control state we are sleepwalking into, unfortunately welcomed by so many.

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Sat 9 Mar 2019 00:32

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - edlithgow

Pretty confident the EU has no plans for my car.

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Sat 9 Mar 2019 00:36

Your car - Why no discussion of what the EU has planned - Ethan Edwards

Pastor Niemoller means nothing to some of you doesn't it. Give these people an inch and they will take a mile. The spy in the cab remember that?

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