Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - oldroverboy.

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The VW up is the wurst small car!

Edited by oldroverboy. on 26/10/2017 at 15:12

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - focussed

And shock horror -!!!!

Alfa Romeo came out ahead of Honda!!!

That put the stylish Italian marque just ahead of one of Japan's most trusted manufacturers, Honda (84.9 per cent), which builds all Civic hatchbacks for the global market in Swindon.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - badbusdriver

Hey Argy bargy, did you look at this, ford b max is the most reliable mpv! .Not sure if that includes the powershift though.......!

Anyway, still not as reliable as our jazz

:)

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - daveyK_UK

To be fair, the VW Up is a hideous car with the automatic gearbox - horrible drive and problematic

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - argybargy

Hey Argy bargy, did you look at this, ford b max is the most reliable mpv! .Not sure if that includes the powershift though.......!

Anyway, still not as reliable as our jazz

:)

A very pleasant surprise indeed, BBD.

I use an online forum for B Max owners (yes, there is one) and the problems discussed tend to be minor ones such as bulb replacement, and are often prompted by the sometimes misleading, occasionally downright inaccurate guidance in the Ford handbook.

Its a really pleasant car to drive when running well, and in fact one subscriber said that in 40 years of motoring its the most comfortable car he's owned. Maybe the others were built by John Deere.

Take the Powershift out of the equation and it might just have scraped 99.999 per cent recurring. ;0)

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - nellyjak

one of Japan's most trusted manufacturers, Honda

Not sure McLaren or a certain Mr. F. Alonso would agree...lol.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - bazza

What's going on at Mazda? Poor showing from the Mazda 2 petrol and the MX5, both I find suprising. I suspect data glitch, unless anyone knows better.

Interestingly, a poor result for the Volvo V40. A friend has a 65 reg D4 diesel, a lovely car but in the 6 months she's owned it it has had a whole new emissions EGR system and 2 attempts to fix faulty clutch hydraulics. Not good.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - Engineer Andy

What's going on at Mazda? Poor showing from the Mazda 2 petrol and the MX5, both I find suprising. I suspect data glitch, unless anyone knows better.

Interestingly, a poor result for the Volvo V40. A friend has a 65 reg D4 diesel, a lovely car but in the 6 months she's owned it it has had a whole new emissions EGR system and 2 attempts to fix faulty clutch hydraulics. Not good.

I still think that many of these co-called surveys are not that accurate in terms of the expectations of the car owners themselves, the type of owner (private or company car) and how the data is analysed. Do they rank faults by seriousness, how long it takes (including number of times in the garage) to rectify them, how the owner drives and the type of driving/distances covered?

One problem (obviously not with the Mazda MX-5) that often drops up is where people buy/lease for work cars that un wholy unsuitable for the type of driving they do, such as diesels for predominately short trips and generally low annual mileages, or in the case of people buying dual clutch driven cars (funny how all the 'dieselgate follow-the-fix' issues and DSG woes don't seem to show up across all VAG cars in the 'survey' [I would've though they would in the 'top rated' A3, though many of those faults don't show up in year 1) or those with larger turbos, not driving them sympathetically as recommended by the manufacturer in the handbook. Obviously people can ignore such advice, but I still suspect some dealerships and even whole manufacturers are still actively lying to customers to shift diesel cars, especially at the moment when there's a glut of them following dieselgate.

Mazda has suffered from problems with its (bought-in) diesel engines, which yet to be proven to have been fixed, so if customers are (which I'm not implying they are) sold a bill of goods when buying one or choose to ignore advice, it may mean many who buy a diesel powered car end up with problems. What would be interesting as regards the MX-5 is to see where the FIAT 124 Spider came, given, other than the engine, a few other components and some of the bodywork, they are the same car, given the disparity in the scores posters here have alluded to as regards the Up/Mito/Citigo and Aygo/C1/108.

Also, I wonder if this 'survey' is only a snapshot at, say 1 year from new. If so, its hardly a representative lifetime of ownership of a car.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - Steveieb

Interesting to me is the demise of Nissan Sunderland which produced the Primera, one of the most reliable cars ever made but rarely loved except by taxi drivers , compared with the sought after models they now produce using Renault mechanicals which have replace the totally reliable Nissan powertrains and electrics.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - Manatee

What would be interesting as regards the MX-5 is to see where the FIAT 124 Spider came, given, other than the engine, a few other components and some of the bodywork, they are the same car, given the disparity in the scores posters here have alluded to as regards the Up/Mito/Citigo and Aygo/C1/108.

Two models of the A3 sportback (in the family car section here) came in at 60%~ and 70%~, vs the saloon (in the executive section!) which is supposedly 100% reliable. Pick the bones out of that. It's driv el, anecdotes from self-selecting respondents presented with spurious accuracy to 3 significant figures.

Re the MX-5 vs. 124 Spider - there won't be enough Spiders, and there might not be that many MX-5 responses either. Neither do I get why some owners apparently paid for their repairs when the model listed is 2015 on, and they are all still under warranty.

Edited by Manatee on 27/10/2017 at 16:23

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - Engineer Andy

What would be interesting as regards the MX-5 is to see where the FIAT 124 Spider came, given, other than the engine, a few other components and some of the bodywork, they are the same car, given the disparity in the scores posters here have alluded to as regards the Up/Mito/Citigo and Aygo/C1/108.

Two models of the A3 sportback (in the family car section here) came in at 60%~ and 70%~, vs the saloon (in the executive section!) which is supposedly 100% reliable. Pick the bones out of that. It's driv el, anecdotes from self-selecting respondents presented with spurious accuracy to 3 significant figures.

Re the MX-5 vs. 124 Spider - there won't be enough Spiders, and there might not be that many MX-5 responses either. Neither do I get why some owners apparently paid for their repairs when the model listed is 2015 on, and they are all still under warranty.

Sounds fishy to me. Given my Mazda3 has never liked sitting around doing nothing for 2-3 weeks between uses (forgetting what that would do in winter [I then use it once a week rather than a longer gap on a good run to keep the battery topped up]) as regards brakes binding, I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone with an MX-5 who uses it as an occasional 'weekend car' suffers from the same issue, which I doubt would be covered under the warranty.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - V4 Heaven
No surprises other than Alfa Romeo storming up the charts ahead of so called 'reliable' German cars!

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - Steveieb

Interesting that Which chose the Alfa as one of the few DONT BUY cars in their recent survey.

Divergent reviews and I know which one I believe.

Best and worst - Best and worst no surprises then - Engineer Andy

Interesting that Which chose the Alfa as one of the few DONT BUY cars in their recent survey.

Divergent reviews and I know which one I believe.

Exactly - how can a car or car company do so well in one survey and so badly in another, given both surveys are essentially doing the same?

The JD Power surveys, if I recall, were always respected because they appeared to confirm what most people discovered when running cars. Like with politicial opinion polls, I think many people now lie when responding to opinion surveys because either a) they don't want to be shown up as being wrong/stupid for some decision (purchase or opinion) and/or b) want to manipulate the results for some reason. I also think theses surveys don't take into account the differences in each person's expectations of ANY car, which is just as much dependent upon their buying history, driving style, wealth, upbringing AND age group, as well as the demographics of the readership of the magazine/website that carries it out.

I can't believe any of the surveys take this into account, and of course, people with 'problems' (see above) with their car are far more likely to repond to surveys than those who don't, especially of working age (who often have more important things to do).

 

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