Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - IRC

It. Will soon be time for a new car for my wife. Her current 2007 Micra is getting given to our son once he passes his test

She wants something slightly bigger since with our dog occupying the bag seat the Micra boot is pretty small.

Logic would suggest a small hatchback - Fiesta, Corsa etc. She prefers the looks of the crossovers though. A touch extra ground clearance would be useful for some of the local speed bumps.

Annual mileage is 4000 per year with many short 2 Mile journeys which the Micra has handled well. So looking at petrol, manual gearbox, anything with an electronic handbrake ruled out.

Current favourits are the Juke or Vitara. Anything from new to 3 years old Depending in prices . Probably rather buy new at around 14k than 1 year old at 12.5. No need to think about why car was sold. Get full 3 years warranty.


Looking to keep the car long term. I,m wondering if the Nissan 1.2 engine with turbo is likely to be reliable or the 1.6 non turbo Vitara might be a better bet.

There are some good PCP deals on Micra's. I, have aways bought cars cash before. Am I correct that with a PCP I can opt to either buy or return the car after the set period. So deferring the decision to keep the car long term until we have run it for 3 or 4 years?


Any other gotchas to worry about on these two cars.


I know some other cars get better reviews in some areas but my wife liikes the looks of these two. If she is happy then I'm happy.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - SLO76
These small crossovers often have little or no extra room than the superminis they're mostly based on and the higher centre of gravity does the handling and ride balance no favours but I get the appeal of sitting a little higher and in owning something a little different to the sea of ordinary superminis in every car park.

The Juke I don't like, it's nothing more than a Renault Clio on stilts with a higher price tag, no more room inside and far worse handling and high speed stability. It uses a Renault engine, Renault gearbox, Renault electronics etc etc. Don't buy one thinking you're getting Japanese reliability, you're not. Saying that, as far as French motors go they're ok reliability wise as long as they're serviced properly and the timing belt is done on time, they're known for snapping if not. I wouldn't buy one.

The Suzuki Vitara is a much more practical motor and likely to outlast most things on the road in 1.6 petrol form. There really is little to fear but I'm personally no fan of the styling, it's a bit bland. The 1.4 turbo is still unproven but reviews are good, it goes well and should with Suzuki's reputation be reliable. You aren't looking at diesels anyway but the only choice here is a Fiat design so I'd avoid in any case. A good car if you like the looks but a bit cheap looking inside I think.

The best of these mini SUV's is the Mazda CX-3 2.0 in my opinion. They're based on the excellent Mazda 2 and have simple normally asperated petrol motors which should outlast the next ice age if looked after. They handle and steer better than any rival too. A great car but a bit dearer as a result. Upside is it'll be worth more when you come to sell on.

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Edited by SLO76 on 21/10/2017 at 16:00

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Engineer Andy

Bear in mind that whilst the extra ground clearance does help with speed bumps, it isn't by any means the thing that makes the most difference, apart from when you are looking at a proper performance car. A longer wheel base, higher profile tyres and a more forgiving suspension make far more of a difference to occupants (as does a good seat design, though that won't help a dog!).

As such, the sub-model will make as much of a difference as the model itself - running a (so-called) luxury, flashing looking or higher performance model will mean it comes with low profile tyres and firm suspension, not good over the humps or poorly surfaced roads, leaving the driver to either put up with a terrible ride and large bills to replace tyres/fix suspension parts regularly, or having to ensure slow cars overtake you when driving over speed humps at 5mph, similar to the pimped-up BMWs, Golfs and Saxos of this world.

Of the two you're currently looking at, the (current shape) Vitara is, in my view, the better buy, with the make having much better reliability than Nissan, though the 1.4T is still quite new, so it would be difficult to say if any longer term problems will develop. It also says in HJ's review that the Vitara only comes with the 'tube of goo' instead of a spare tyre - I would check to see if one can be fitted and the price, both at new or an aftermarket one. Quite a few do this (the Mazda CX-3 being one, and a spare costs a staggering £395 from Mazda). Personally speaking, I think the Juke is a 'today's fashion' item which could easily and quickly go out of fashion, given its very odd looks and poor reliability, and with many other makes recently entering the market with better looking, driving and reliable alternatives.

I think also it depends upon what budget you are going to have and how long (PCP terms aside) your wife would LIKE to keep the car. It would also be useful for you to tell us which other cars she's looked at and said no, plus the reason(s) why, as this would be a good indicator as to what she wants in the car other than the info you've already given. There's also quite a bit of variance in performance, handling and practicality in this type of car: The Mazda CX-3 and new SEAT Arona on the sportier side (ride dependent on model/tyre choice, especially the CX-3), the Honda Jazz slow and average at handling (new 1.5 coming along soon which, according to HJ, is faster) but very practical and reliable, with others in between.

The CX-3 is expensive (even in the best value/most comfortable SE-L Nav spec) with little discounts via brokers (the only decent deals force you to take PCP contracts), the SEAT much better value as you can get better discounts (after the initial few months on sale - its only just come out) via brokers. The Jazz also won't attract much of a discount due to its (and Honda's) long term good reputation for reliability.

I would also suggest (presumably you put your dog in the boot with the parcel shelf removed and possibly a dog guard installed in between that and the back seats) you may wish to measure up the boot space of any car you look at, or if the dealership allows, put the dog in the boot in the showroom to see how much space it has, boot lip height (higher ones not so good for smaller or older dogs who can't jump up). As usual, a decent length test drive over several types of roads and speeds is essential to ascertain driving comfort and whether it meets minimum levels of handling and performance.

Only when those more 'tangible' criteria are met, then styling can come in. If you really like something and can't afford it, find out how long it would take to save up enough to afford it (and run it, if its more expensive for maintenance, insurance etc), as this may be better than getting a car that currently fits your budget but is a significant compromise. If you can, its always better to wait a bit/save up a bit more if the car you really want is only a few months saving up away.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Engineer Andy

Sorry - just re-read the original post and saw the budget, which rules out brand new versions of those I suggested, at least (for the Arona) for now. As SLo suggests, a second hand (up to 2yo) CX-3 would be in that price bracket, but most I find on sale are the base SE or expensive (and hard riding on 18in rims, plus a much smaller boot due to the upgraded ICE) Sport Nav models (often ex-demos or cars probably PXed because the ride was too firm) - very little SE-L Navs for sale because they are the best blend of kit and comfort (still on 16in rims) and owners like them (I almost got one earlier in the year but they were just too expensive [with discounts via brokers, they were more expensive than the Mazda3] by £1-2k for the same spec). At least it comes with standard handbrakes...for now.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Miniman777
I have a Juke Tekna 1.5 diesel, now 2 years old, done 42000 miles and they've not been gentle. Overall pleased (8/10) with it but some issues, namely:
Stop/start function failed last week, new battery under warranty.
Parcel shelf is naff fibre stuff, two of the holes worn so shield drops off occasionally
Biggest gripe is that air con pipes were poorly positioned, chaffed from
New and no one aware, so wore through. 3 months on I am still waiting for replacements under warranty and no one at Nissan has a clue when back order will be satisfied. Model now at end of production so could arrive anytime in next 6 months.

Tyres (Continental) have been excellent, 38k from
One pair and 40k from others. Performance good but I run it in sport mode which makes it a bit more lively.

Tried a CX3 but Mrs didn't like faux leather seats (clammy on bare skin), driving position felt low for baby SUV and nasty vibrations on clutch pedal on diesel. Also didn't like single main dial on dash with digital speed display as an afterthought. Suzuki front pig ugly and blingy imo.
Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - badbusdriver

Given a choice between the vitara and juke it would be the vitara for me no question. Even ignoring the looks which is entirely down to personal preference, the vitara is simply a better car. More reliable, more spacious and surprisingly light in relation to its size (meaning that the n/a 1.6 has plenty of performance for most). I'd also suggest you take a look at the ssangyong tivoli which has an extremely generous 5 year unlimited mileage warranty.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - nellyjak

For me...no contest.

From the 2 choices given it would be without doubt the Vitara.

I'm not the biggest fan of Nissans.

We did briefly (very) look at the Juke when my wife swapped her car some 18 months ago....I wasn't impressed tbh and it was an easy decision to stay with Toyota and simpy buy a much newer Yaris..which she adores.!

Edited by nellyjak on 21/10/2017 at 18:16

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - IRC

Thanks for all replies. sounds like the Vitara is the one out those two. I'll get her to look at a Yaris and Honda Jazz in the flesh as well. While she prefers crossover styling maybe once she is actively looking at cars in the flesh her opinion might shift.

The Mazda CX3 looks interesting though would need a budget rethink.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - nellyjak

Both the Yaris and the Jazz are sensible considerations...I can thoroughly recommend the Yaris as my wife is on her third one now and all have been good reliable cars.

She currently has the 1.33 4 door.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - KB.

As others might have gleaned I keep wondering what I might get next time round and the CX3 and Vitara keep re-appearing in the consciousness. The Vitara seems to be more affordable than it's competition and has a certain "work-a-day" appeal although everyone says hoe cheap the interior plastic looks (haven't yet been to see one in the flesh myself).

As I will have mentioned, my nearest dealer offers continued parts and labour warranty if you have it serviced there, which is a bonus.

It seems to have a lot going for it. I just wish they would put the 1.4 turbo engine (along with its associated torque converter auto box) into the less sporty models .. not keen on the bling of the 'S' model.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - SLO76

Thanks for all replies. sounds like the Vitara is the one out those two. I'll get her to look at a Yaris and Honda Jazz in the flesh as well. While she prefers crossover styling maybe once she is actively looking at cars in the flesh her opinion might shift.

The Mazda CX3 looks interesting though would need a budget rethink.

Yaris and Jazz are both excellent little cars. Utterly practical, cheap to run and neither will ever cause a moment of grief. The latest Jazz in particular is a massive step up from the last model in every way except performance which is still pretty flat out of town.
Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - gordonbennet

Remember new Juke out next year, looks even dafter than the present one to my eyes, one mans meat etc, but i would expect the old model's values to plummet quite quickly once the new one arrives.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - IRC

Remember new Juke out next year, looks even dafter than the present one to my eyes, one mans meat etc, but i would expect the old model's values to plummet quite quickly once the new one arrives.

Good point. Need to Keep an eye on that.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Engineer Andy
I have a Juke Tekna 1.5 diesel, now 2 years old, done 42000 miles and they've not been gentle. Overall pleased (8/10) with it but some issues, namely: Stop/start function failed last week, new battery under warranty. Parcel shelf is naff fibre stuff, two of the holes worn so shield drops off occasionally Biggest gripe is that air con pipes were poorly positioned, chaffed from New and no one aware, so wore through. 3 months on I am still waiting for replacements under warranty and no one at Nissan has a clue when back order will be satisfied. Model now at end of production so could arrive anytime in next 6 months. Tyres (Continental) have been excellent, 38k from One pair and 40k from others. Performance good but I run it in sport mode which makes it a bit more lively. Tried a CX3 but Mrs didn't like faux leather seats (clammy on bare skin), driving position felt low for baby SUV and nasty vibrations on clutch pedal on diesel. Also didn't like single main dial on dash with digital speed display as an afterthought. Suzuki front pig ugly and blingy imo.

I thought the driving position of the CX-3 was fine, and higher than the 3, which is quite low compared to my older version. I test drove a CX-3 in Sport Nav form, like you did, but in the petrol version (the dealership didn't have any demos of that car in SE-L Nav spec, why by all accounts is much smoother riding, although the Sport was okay, better than the corresponding 3 with 18in rims, perhaps it has more suspension travel? It's a real shame Mazda has, in my view, overpriced the CX-3 as it's a very good car generally, except some rivals now are coming through with more boot space.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Nickdm
I've got my eyes on either a Vitara 1.4 turbo or a CX-3 for some time next year, but in this price/size segment I keep being drawn to the new Honda Civic hatchback, which seems amazing value for a lower price?
Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - catsdad
The Jazz magic seats offer a good dog space. The door sill is lower than any boot lip and the dog can nestle down on the floor. I am not sure how you'd fit a harness if you use one but I expect there are solutions available.
Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - daveyK_UK
Suzuki Ignis, its brilliant for its size, plenty of space and a lovely engine
Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - KB.
Suzuki Ignis, its brilliant for its size, plenty of space and a lovely engine

But for those who take notice of NCAP ratings it's a drawback that there's so much brown and orange on the [driver's side] caption on the NCAP assessment of the Ignis ... even the one fitted with the "Safety Pack". A headline rating of three stars (with four if the pack is fitted) isn't good IMHO. In fact why would they even offer the car without the pack fitted when it only attracts a three star rating?

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Engineer Andy

Personally speaking, any make that cannot achieve at least a four star NCAP rating on a new car deserves contempt, given its not exactly difficult or that expensive to do so. To me, its just penny-pinching or just sheer laziness on their part.

Its not as though the cars are 'unsafe', given they are probably sigificantly superior to ones like my 11.5yo Mazda3 with its 4star rating (when given in around 2003) as the test has got much more stringent over the years, but almost all cars, cheap and expensive, now can easily achieve a 4 if not a 5 star rating without too much bother.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Ethan Edwards

It's five ncap stars with the brake assist pack that is standard on the SZ5 version.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - KB.

It's five ncap stars with the brake assist pack that is standard on the SZ5 version.

Stand corrected re. stars, i.e. 3 without the brake assist pack and 5 with.

However, in either model (with and without the extra kit) the drivers chest rating is coloured brown (WEAK) and the drivers lower legs are orange (MARGINAL).

If buying a brand new car with, apparently, the most recent safety kit and design, I would aim for better than that.

Edited by KB. on 22/10/2017 at 23:01

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - Ethan Edwards

I see what your saying but thats assuming everything has already gone awry isn't it. ie Secondary safety.

The Brake pack monitors your progress and if it thinks you are not braking hard enough it does it for you. Thats Primary safety.

You could of course choose a ex Military Ferret or Dingo scout car and thats small arms fire resitant too. But you have to draw the line somewhere don't you.

IMO it's plenty good enough. After all I used to ride a motorbike and that had little in the way of crumple zones etc.

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - KB.

Don't quite see it that way myself.

What I see is an NCAP chart that suggests that certain areas of the driver's anatomy are at greater risk of injury due to the design of the car when compared to other comparable models which offer better protection in the event of a collision involving the areas specified in that particular situation... (sorry for excessively long sentence).

I see the (greater) potential for injury regardless of whether I drove into something, or if something coming from the opposite direction drove into me.

HOWEVER .. I own two cars, one has a good NCAP rating and a higher seating position and has a reasonable amount of bonnet in front which one hopes might help.... but the other is a (previous shape) Hyundai i10, and I accept that isn't as highly rated.

All I'm saying is ... for a brand new model I would have hoped to see a better rating and that if buying new it would be a fairly major consideration.

Re. motor cycles. Yes, used to ride one when I was 17. Managed not to fall off, and for that I remain grateful. But despite the possible enjoyment and slightly increased freedom etc etc of two wheels and despite the very occasional hankering for a new "retro" Triumph bike, the vastly increased likelihood of death or disability remains enough to prevent it ...whenever I read of local accidents involving bikes it's NEVER the rider that comes off lightly...even if he/she wa totally blameless. I like my legs the shape they are at the moment and don't want them re-profiled by the front of another, four wheeled, vehicle who's driver "just didn't see me, mate"

Edited by KB. on 23/10/2017 at 16:15

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - bazza

All good points but we can over-worry about such things. Life is really a complete lottery, two examples this week. I was driving along a few days ago and a young lady driving an SUV coming the other way crossed the double whites into my path, I was braking and bracing for an impact when she wrenched the steering wheel and avoided me, yes, she was using her phone and looked up at the last microsecond! I would probably be dead or seriously injured but for that fraction of a second. Maybe modern crash protection would have saved me, who knows? Secondly on Sat night, we were nearly taken out by a 44 tonner , all main beams on steaming towards us cutting a right hand bend. That was close, heart-stoppingly close and it would have been curtains for the five of us in the car. I guess I am saying that NCAP is a factor but it depends what you hit! My wife survived a 2 car 40mph head -on a few years ago in a MK1 Octavia, fortunately hit a similar weight car. Both cars were completely destroyed, but only minor injuries. Thanks to NCAP and modern vehicle strength, she's still around!

Nissan Juke Suzuki Vitara - New Car Time. Juke or Vitara - KB.

And, indeed, more good points worth rasing and considering.

BUT (there's always a BUT isn't there?) ... I recall as plain as daylight, when I was at work, attending, a few, what in those days were called, RTAs, involving Austin/Rover Metros. And swore I would never let myself, or my wife, travel in one. You can still see videos online of one being tested at NCAP. In those days there were others almost as bad but equally there were some which could be seen to hold up far better. In times past there wasn't anything like the attention paid to these things and we all must have had little cheapies to run around in without worrying ourselves too much. My Triumph Herald or Austin 1100s might have been pretty grim without realising it at the time, but nobody gave it much thought then. And let's not even think about my 1953 Morris Minor or the subsequent Ford 100Es (all without seat belts).

But nowadays there's no excuse for not being informed how well your steed is likely to do in a crash and some are, without doubt, worse than others therefore I'm saying why not go out of your way to pick one with established credentials given that some examples are proven to directly affect (for better or worse) the likelihood of you or I ... or our families, surviving an accident..

Has to be said I saw a good number of accidents and there were times when the outcomes were eye opening. I think one of the more major conclusions I might have come to is not to hit trees and lamp-posts sideways on. If you hit one hard enough no amount of safety protection will help... but having said that we now have side airbags and strengthened panels that would help ... but still, a stout tree struck mid-ships on the side where you're sitting is bad news.

Edited by KB. on 23/10/2017 at 23:38

 

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