Are cars sentient? - mss1tw
I ask as every news report about some muppet stacking it at this time year generally states something similar to "The car left the road".

So far my car has done only anything I tell it to do. And even then it makes a lousy cup of tea.
Are cars sentient? - oldroverboy.

My car refuses to do anything unless I make it!

But it is good at boiling water, and it smokes too! But there again it never washes itself either.

Are cars sentient? - mss1tw
Spare the rod, and spoil the motor!
Are cars sentient? - RobJP
I ask as every news report about some muppet stacking it at this time year ...

I know it's the season of goodwill and all that, but I found that highly funny.

Many thanks.

Are cars sentient? - mss1tw
There were three separate accidents today serious enough to warrant a 'blob' on Google Maps within about a 5 mile radius of my house.

My part of Surrey/Hampshire seems to have been plagued with traffic incidents for the past couple of months (Seems like every other day!) so I have to admit my sympathy has run out in the majority of cases.
Are cars sentient? - hillman

I once overheard a man tell a shopkeeper about his son's accident. The lad had said to his father about the car, "She went out of control, Dad".

Are cars sentient? - brum
. So far my car has done only anything I tell it to do. And even then it makes a lousy cup of tea.

Think yourself lucky.

In time you may find your car occasionally refusing to cooperate. It may be just a minor rebellion like refusing to start. Or if you are really unlucky, you might find it refuses to go in the direction you command it, and it tries to commit hari kari.

Are cars sentient? - NARU

Surprised nobody has mentioned Fawlty Towers yet! Just give your car a damn good thrashing from time to time!

Are cars sentient? - peter moss

I has a mk2 cortina in the 80s had to get out in a hurry got in turned the key and the battery went flat i got out went around the front and gave it a kick in the mouth my foot went through the aluminium grill and i fell over ,the wife came out to see where i was and started laughing as did passers by so got another battery but the car got its own back as i was driving home on a busy carraigway the bonnet flew up i pulled over and jumped up and down on the bonnet to shut but the hinges had streched so i tied it up with some wire people were still laughing ,

I got over those days but then cars were cheap the ford was £50 !

Are cars sentient? - mss1tw

Think yourself lucky.

In time you may find your car occasionally refusing to cooperate. It may be just a minor rebellion like refusing to start. Or if you are really unlucky, you might find it refuses to go in the direction you command it, and it tries to commit hari kari.

I've never owned a car that even has traction control. I doubt I have godlike driving abilities, yet have never managed to close a motorway or overturn a car.

Are cars sentient? - gordonbennet
I've never owned a car that even has traction control. I doubt I have godlike driving abilities, yet have never managed to close a motorway or overturn a car.

I think in a way us older drivers, who could only afford older than us cars when we started have an advantage over new drivers who often have almost or new cars immediately.

We learned PDQ how little grip there was at the wheels, whether cornering accelerating but especially when braking, so we learned to read the road ahead and the surface and to take extra care when the steering went light, i don't think this has ever left us hence why we don't expect dry road grip on wet greasy or ice cold roads, nor do we expect the vehicle to drive for us to maybe the same degree as younger drivers.

This applies to vehicles of all types from motorcycles up to the biggest lorries, all of which had to be driven half decently or the journey was likely to end quickly for one reason or another, even on our bicycles those simple rubber brake blocks were virtually useless when wet so maybe we learned when still in short trousers.

Modern vehicles of all types can have grip and stablity capabilites that are fantastic in comparison, until that is this seemingly limitless capability runs out, when it does it's usually too late to recover from and disaster beckons.

This TC you mention or ASR as its called on my lorry is an interesting one, basically the lorry can still get wheelspin under power in the wet on a straight wet road in 11th gear of a 12 speed box especially when the drive axle tyres are down to about 5mm, what i have noticed is that its entirely possible, if you don't as a driver deal with it and cut power it can send you sideways quickly, interesting effect with an empty tanker on the back leaving a roundabout when oversteer then kicks in, when both wheels spin up the vehicle doesn't sense it so doesn't take over and cut the power, certainly not quckly enough, and i wonder how many inexperienced drivers come to grief because they have these electronic systems and come to rely on them, and find too late these wizard electronics aint quite as wonderful and infallible as we might be led to believe by the hype.

Are cars sentient? - galileo

GB, your present lorry clearly isn't lacking in torque, wheelspin in 11th is impressive (if not what you actually want at the time!).

When I had a Ford Zephyr, wheelspin on wet roads and especially on the granite setts we had around here was easily provoked, when it snowed the common fix was a couple of bags of cement or paving slabs in the boot.

As far as cars being sentient, I sometimes threatened reluctant starters that if they didn't fire up they were going to the scrapyard, which did sometimes have the desired effect.

Are cars sentient? - gordonbennet

GB, your present lorry clearly isn't lacking in torque, wheelspin in 11th is impressive (if not what you actually want at the time!).

When I had a Ford Zephyr, wheelspin on wet roads and especially on the granite setts we had around here was easily provoked, when it snowed the common fix was a couple of bags of cement or paving slabs in the boot.

As far as cars being sentient, I sometimes threatened reluctant starters that if they didn't fire up they were going to the scrapyard, which did sometimes have the desired effect.

When loaded i can assure you @ 10bhp per ton, its seriously lacking in torque when needed :-)

The wheelspin is purely down to premium brand hard wearing tyres designed primarily for a long life, if they were fitted to cars the term ditchfinder would be applied liberally, fortunately i'm long enough in the tooth to have cut my lorry teeth on Michelin X's, enough said, i bet there are some here who had Mich X and ZX on cars and found wet grip to be 'interesting'.

Ah the old chuck some slabs or sandbags in the boot, a bit of weight and narrow tyres we managed pretty well as i recall on RWD, anecdote time, my youngest lad was in hospital at the time and a serious snowfall more or less blocked the roads between the towns, i had a good old Volvo 245 estate at the time and the back roads the only ones not blocked with stuck vehicles, came up to the high ground and found a works mini bus turning round because snowdrifts ahead, about 8 or 9 workers piled out the bus and started to make their way home on foot, i stopped and offered a we'll risk it offer, they all bundled into the old Volvo, lots of heavy blokes bodies in the boot and we went for it and got through seemingly impossible drifts with a bit of a lick on, i wouldn't have had the weight on the drive axle to get through without them, they would have struggled to walk it.

Were we all a bit more muck in and get along we each other then, would such a thing happen any more now unless in remote areas where people have a bit more community spirit about them, dare say in other countries they help each other without giving it the slightest thought.

Are cars sentient? - RT

Some of us oldies got a big advantage, inadvertently, by learning to drive in old cars, on poor roads, with few safety regulations.

The bad winter of '62-63 gave us young teenagers the chance to try driving an old banger on the frozen gravel pits - a few years later my first car was a £40 12-year old banger with bald tyres which I took out "for fun" during the first snowfall and then a week later "had" to do a 120 mile cross-country journey on polished packed snow. I learnt very quickly!

Whilst I appreciate the modern aids like ABS, TC and ESP it's a matter of personal honour not to activate them during normal driving.

An hour's lesson on a skidpan with modern aids switched off would do everyone good and should be compulsory for learners.

Are cars sentient? - madf

Cars may be sentient but a lot of their drivers appear not to act like sentient beings.

Are cars sentient? - mss1tw
Indeed!
Are cars sentient? - Andrew-T

Cars may be sentient but a lot of their drivers appear not to act like sentient beings.

I received an unexpected Christmas gift about lunchtime on 24th, just about the time every relevant business premises was closing for the break. I was proceeding normally homewards, with about half a mile to go, when a white Audi TT emerged from a blind turning about 15 yards ahead, crossing my path. At around 30mph (the limit) there was no escape, but luckily damage was not massive, and the offending party immediately admitted liability, and their insurance co. has been helpful (thinks - must inform mine, although they say no need).

Also luckily, daughter is selling her MINI, so we have a courtesy car in the family ....

Are cars sentient? - bolt

An hour's lesson on a skidpan with modern aids switched off would do everyone good and should be compulsory for learners.

You might think so, but some people do not have the nerve and likely panic during a skid, I remember a mate years ago skidded on snow,lost control and hit another car.

I was in the passenger seat, and as he started the skid He closed his eyes,he never got behind the wheel again

Are cars sentient? - RT

An hour's lesson on a skidpan with modern aids switched off would do everyone good and should be compulsory for learners.

You might think so, but some people do not have the nerve and likely panic during a skid, I remember a mate years ago skidded on snow,lost control and hit another car.

I was in the passenger seat, and as he started the skid He closed his eyes,he never got behind the wheel again

A good reason for getting everyone on a skidpan where they can lose control safely.

Are cars sentient? - peter moss

63 i was in that one my sister married well and he bought her jaguar we were driving down a lane towards chesham in bucks and i said slow down she said i know these roads like the back of my hand with that we went around a bend to see a 7.5 ton truck on its side in the road she put the brakes on and we slid gently through the roof of the truck ,i started laughing we did speak to each other for weeks !

Are cars sentient? - mss1tw
The roads seemed quite quiet this morning heading into London (On two wheels), I wonder if the apocalyptic snow meant people couldn't go to work?

Fair play, I'd rather they were at home than crashing into each other
Are cars sentient? - mss1tw
Just for clarity, my post was more to do with drivers either being pandered to or avoiding responsibility with these half-truth mealy-mouthed reports.

Whether at 'fault' or not, ultimately the driver crashed the car.
Are cars sentient? - drd63

The easiest way to learn about grip and feel is to ride a motorbike through a winter, even a modern bike will be an education to most car drivers. Skid pans are a good idea in theory but I think are more a bit of fun than serious education, too much playing with rear drive and oversteer when most cars are fwd and grip limits and speeds so low that the snap back when the slide stops is anything but realistic. I'm old enough to have driven rwd escorts and Vivas but for all the fun me and my mates had in them we did crash a lot! I'm much happier knowing my boys have abs, esp etc even if it's not as much fun.

 

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