Is diesel suitable for my situation - voteforpedro

I'm in the market for a new used estate car, something sub-£10k with reasonable fuel consumption. I had ear-marked something Golf-based, like the Octavia or Leon with the new TSI engine which I can just about stretch to within budget.

I have disregarded diesels because a) I've had bad experiences in the past and b) I don't think it suits my situation.

I do over 10-12k miles per year which (I think) puts my just about in the bracket where I should consider a diesel. However, I do most of this travelling (holidays, weekends etc). My daily commute at the moment is only 10 miles per day. I'm sure this style of driving - daily short journeys plus frequent-ish long hauls - would cause issues for a diesel engine.

Am I right to discount diesels and look for an economical petrol?

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Avant

I think you're right, and the 1.4 TSI petrol in VW group cars is as torquey as a diesel, with plenty of oomph, and not far off it in economy. An Octavia or Leon will be cheaper than a Golf of the same vintage. Go for a manual as some DSGs can be unreliable.

Is diesel suitable for my situation - slkfanboy

If you're going VAG ensure you avoid older chain driven 1.4tsi engines, Newer belt driven cars again seem ok.

Lastest 2014 > DSG seams (fingers crossed) ok, but always get them serviced via VAG to ensure all the latest software updates.

Is diesel suitable for my situation - craig-pd130

I currently do 12K miles per year, of which about 8K miles is journeys of less than 10 miles in urban limits. My daily commute is 4 miles to work, and 4 miles home.

My past 3 cars have been modern DPF-equipped diesels (a Mondeo IV and two Volvo V60s). None has had any DPF problems at all.

The caveat is, they've all been company cars so I've had them from brand-new, and they go back after 3 years. This may not be long enough in my ownership to highlight problems.

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Bracket

"My daily commute at the moment is only 10 miles per day. I'm sure this style of driving - daily short journeys plus frequent-ish long hauls - would cause issues for a diesel engine."

Depends on the engine. My retired neighbour has a 13 year old Peugeot 307 2.0, Drives to 8 miles to Sainsburies and back every day and never changes the oil. I don't know if it has a DPF. It's done 137,000 miles.

But you can play safe and buy a petrol model if you have doubts. There's a lot of choice.

Is diesel suitable for my situation - scot22

Having a diesel has cost me over £1,000 in additional costs. So if its marginal I wouldn't. Also, O.K. nobody's got a crystal ball, I suspect that at some point in the near future private owners of diesels will get tax penalties.

Unless buying new, I have heard from many sources turbo and super charged engines have had excessive oil consumption and over heated pistons. I don't understand that much mechanically but consider carefully before buying ( stating the obvious !)

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Gibbo_Wirral

Depends on the engine. My retired neighbour has a 13 year old Peugeot 307 2.0, Drives to 8 miles to Sainsburies and back every day and never changes the oil. I don't know if it has a DPF. It's done 137,000 miles.

Its probably the 90bhp model (there's a sticker on the driver's door pillar), those beasts are pretty bullet proof and suffer little problems from local trips, other than the EGR valve getting gummed up.

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Wukl

I'd say, for heavens sake please don't buy a car "...which I can just about stretch to within budget...". Buy something you are comfortable with financing, and leave yourself a decent float for 'problems'. The more I read of Honest John, the more I see of massively expensive problems with cars outside warranty.

Absolutely, I urge a petrol for your mileage, preferably non-turbo. You've had bad experiences in the past with a diesel you say; you'll kick yourself if you go wrong again this time. I know past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but I’d be sick as the proverbial parrot every time I turned the key, and that is a poison that can’t be underestimated.

Ultimately - financial borderline as you are - which do you prefer to drive?

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Big John

Last year I changed to a 1.4tsi Superb ii after 10 years with my fantastic Superb I 1.9 PD. Hard shoes to fill

I was wanting to avoid a DPF as even though my commute is long you never really get up to speed

Tsi/PD comparison:-

Economy - With my mileage I had calculated a 10year diesel/petrol payback comparing the cheaper petrol purchase price (1yr) to the difference in economy. I estimated (courtesy of HJ real life mpg) 42mpg petrol & 52 mpg diesel (my old Superb did 50mpg on my commute). The surprise has been the Superb 1.4tsi has been doing about 46mpg

Performance - The tsi hasn't got quite the same low down tourqe. However keep it spinning above 1500rpm and it tugs the bus along surprisingly well and keeps going as the revs rise. Just remember the 6th gear is tall 60mph = 2000rpm (must be a mega overdrive - at 6000rpm you'd be near 180mph if it could do it - er no)

Refinement - This is the tsi trump card, under most circumstances its very quiet. So much so that I've been confused when the stop start hasn't kicked in for some reason (wrong type of rain?) - when setting off I haven't heard the usual starter relay click/motor and semi panicked only to realise the engine is still actually running

Mine is the EA111 can chain engine. I'm aware the more powerful twin charge versions have had major issues (latest revisions sortred) and some early versions have had cam chain /tensioner problems. So far so good (33k miles) and it's never been topped up with oil.

The later EA211 engine is totally different (turbo/exhaust on the other side of the engine near bulkhead, low mounted oil filter, cam belt) - initial reports good

Remember no EGR and DPF on tsi (NB beware the GPF on some petrol cars from about 2017)

Edited by Big John on 08/07/2016 at 00:03

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Bracket

Dacia Logan DCi 90 estate here. 62-67 mpg, no VED, cruise and all the toys in the Lauréate version. 650-700 mile tank range. Annual service: £150.

Three year to seven year warranty, no DPF issues, and no VED. About £11K or less, new.

Keeps up with Golf Tdi's. Lovely motorway car; 70 mph is just 2000 rpm. 90 mph is 2500 rpm, where limits allow. No issues with short journeys.

Is diesel suitable for my situation - Big John

Dacia Logan DCi 90 estate here. 62-67 mpg, no VED, cruise and all the toys in the Lauréate version. 650-700 mile tank range. Annual service: £150.

Three year to seven year warranty, no DPF issues, and no VED. About £11K or less, new.

Later diesels with DPF's generally better behaved now (as per the Dacia above) as the DPF's are better integrated into the car design rather than an add on further down the exhaust. Many are close coupled to be near the exhaust manifold which means more frequent passive regenerations (regen just on running combustion heat) rather than active regenerations (extra diesel injection before the exhaust stroke). I've avoided myself due to my slow speed commute.

DPF problems frequently not covered by the warranty - as it can be down to driving style!

Many later Euro 6 diesels also have SCR (Adblue) to reduce NOx emmisions - another complication

Edited by Big John on 08/07/2016 at 12:02

Is diesel suitable for my situation - RT

Many later Euro 6 diesels also have SCR (Adblue) to reduce NOx emmisions - another complication

DEF/Adblue is indeed extra complication but it significantly reduces the use of the EGR, on some models eliminating it completely - so given a long-term choice of potential Adblue problems and probable EGR problems, I'll stick with the Adblue my car uses, despite being a PITA to refill it.