Diesel or petrol... can't seem to decide - vjohn82

I've been here a few days and everyone I converse with is steering me towards petrol cars.

I do a fair bit of mixed driving right now but in a few months I'll be making longer trips (60+ miles to 120miles+ return trips).

My thinking was that a diesel would be the answer to my prayers (fuel cost wise) but I'm being scared off Mondeo diesels with stories about the DMF and turbo problems.

I have driven a Rover 220 SDi before and never had a problem with the engine components (always electrical). The coolant cap was left off for quite a while and it didn;t miss a beat. Ran on the lowest oil for I don't know how long because the oil cooler had split and was peeing it everywhere while driving.

So with that experience of diesels... I have been more than happy (not that I would ever want to repeat them).

I'm eyeing up the Mondeo and Focus now (TDCi versions) and I'm going out tomorrow morning to hun and hopefully come away with something.

Should I be stopped from buying something I might regret???

Diesel or petrol... can't seem to decide - Avant

Don't get the impression that diesels are no good at all. They're still a better bet on balance if your mileage is higher than about 15,000 pa: but avoid them if you do a lot of short journeys.

Also if you're buying secondhand, avoid high-mileage diesels except those with engines of older design (like the VW Group 1.9 TDI). Newer designs have appendages like DPF and DMF which can fail expensivey at high mileages.

I don't know how big a car you want or what your budget is, but there are some very efficient smaller petrol engines about now which are worth a look if you're buying new or nearly-new.

Edit - now I've seen your other thread! If your budget is below £2,000 I stringly suggest a petrol. The Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Nissan Almera and Mazda 6 are all very durable.

But ultimately it's condition rather than make and model that should be the deciding factors for you at this price range.

Edited by Avant on 24/01/2012 at 23:24

Diesel or petrol... can't seem to decide - ChannelZ

You don't say what age of Mondeos or Focii you're looking at.

The 2.0TDCI in the Mondeo doesn't have a DPF, but some have issues with DMF. They're not wonderful for fuel economy either, especially in 130hp guise. The 115hp version seems better on fuel, and kinder to DMFs. Mk4 Mondeo is 1.8TDCI and a new 2.0TDCI.

Focus, well, Mk1 Focii all use the old 1.8TDCI, which is the tarted up 1.8TD from the Escort. Good enough engine. Mk2 Focus uses either the 2.0TDCI from the Mondeo, the same old 1.8TDCI tweaked, and the newest of the lot, the 1.6TDCI. The 1.8TDCI is 115hp (no DPF), the 2.0TDCI is 130hp (DPF), and the 1.6TDCI is available with 90hp (no DPF) and 110hp (Eyols DPF). Avoid the 90hp 1.6TDCI, it's pretty miserable and doesn't get much better economy than the 110hp version.

Personally, I'd still go for the 1.8TDCI in 115hp form, I think it's the most solid engine, having been in Ford's lineup for decades. Either than or a 1.6TDCI with the DPF removed and mapped out.

Diesel or petrol... can't seem to decide - BenG

I had a Focus Mk1 1.8TDCI for 5 years and was happy with the performance, especially given a Celtic Tuning remap which made the car much more responsive and improved economy by 2-3mpg (52-53mpg at indicated 75mph). The engine is noisier than the 1.6 and 2.0TDCIs though.

The engine is a known quantity now and the likely faults are known, i.e:

i) DMF failures - can occur from around the 60k mile mark, depending on driver behaviour.

ii) Cam sensor failure - this happened to me and stopped the car, but a cheap fix for a sensor you can easily fit yourself.

iii) Fuel pump failures - these seemed to occur in the early days but probably not an issue with the Mk2 version. Like all common rail engines, needs an uniterrupted supply of quality diesel (i.e: avoid supermarket) to lubricate the pump.

iv) EGR clogging - due to soot build-up. Best solution is to replace as cleaning does not seem to have worked long-term.

If there's no DPF then that's a good reason to go for the 1.8TDCI, unless you routinely drive long distances at high speeds.

Check out FFOC dot co dot uk for plenty of information on the Focus range etc...