As a warranty is a contract, either party is entitled to stick to the stated terms, and if a warranty company has stated its exclusions, it will stick to them.
I suggest that if anyone takes out a used car warranty, you should:
- read the policy from cover to cover
- make a list, in two columns, of what is covered and what is excluded
- decide whether you can live with the exclusions (imagine making a claim)
- ring the company if anything isn't clear. If they won't let you spek to a human being, don't buy from them (that applies to all insurance companies!).
Hopefully this may avoid the unpleasant surprise of having what you consider a justified claim turned down.
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Is the intercooler damaged, or does it just need flushing out to remove oil?
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Reading para 13 page 9, on which WD direct rely. It states "breakdown or damage caused by frost, water, freezing liquids, carbon build up, corrosion, oxidation, blockages, contaminants building up, sludge or silt, or other waste matter that has prevented the parts from working properly." Now my reading of how this might be interpreted is that the exclusion relates mainly to defects building up over a period of time. Certainly the word contaminants is accompanied by the phrase "building up". Thus i'd distinguish this scenario from the results of a defect caused by a warranted article which has failed catastrophically and suddenly. Casings are so covered. Therfore, a strong argument that the intercooler damage is of a like nature. Ejusdem generis is the latin tag. I now retire to the barrack room:)
Edited by nortones2 on 13/08/2010 at 21:59
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thank you dave n, i was starting to think i was on my own and going crazy. im realy angry with wd that they acuse me of driving my car when the turbo blew. as i changed into 4th gear it went, loss of power plumes of black smoke behind me. i put the car into neutral as quick as humanly possible and coasted to the side of the road and stopped, a biker, off duty police man and rac patrol stopped to assist me. wd state no get out clauses beleive me theres loads. in the policy booklet page 5 '' whats covered '' turbo, intercooler,wastegate,actuator. then following page uses big words not to cover intercooler etc,etc. i asked what will happen if my new turbo fails cos of the intercooler will you again cover the new turbo wd reply was no cos you havent replaced the intercooler. so im stuck with a big bill that i have to borrow the money to pay for e.g intercooler 307.00 , cat unknown yet, x2 lots of oil filters, towing fee and flush and labour probably 600.00 or more. i trusted davey from wd when he phoned me i purchased and paid for the policy in full. i havent been able to work for the last seven years due to a tumour on my spine, but for ten years i did voluntary work over 20 hrs a week as a special constable ''il wait for the abuse now lol'' along side my full time job as a senior quality tech.
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Warranty Direcxt themselves say the following:
With alternative warranties disputes often arise in respect of wear & tear because they incorporate a "wear & tear" exclusion clause. At the time of any claim it is all too easy for the administrator to refuse your claim by saying; "of course it's broken, the car's done 40,000 miles and it's worn out."
Some companies have also started offering the option to pay extra for "premature wear" cover , we believe that such cover does not treat the customer fairly and is a "weasel word". Don't be confused by anyone offering you a warranty which mentions "premature wear"
All Warranty Direct polices protect you against failure caused by wear & tear because parts can fail due to wear & tear at anytime. Consider these facts, the average motorist covers about 10,000 miles per year so by the end of the normal 3 year manufacturer warranty the vehicle has covered about 30,000 miles - yet 44% of vehicles require repairs in year 4 and many of these repairs can be attributed to 'wear & tear.' So beware of any policy that doesn't offer, or even suggests you don't need, wear & tear cover and always pay any extra demanded if wear & tear is unwisely promoted as an option.
If you are extending an existing warranty or we have inspected it prior to coming on cover - your wear & tear protection will start from day one - otherwise your vehicle's wear & tear cover will start after the first 90 days. We adopt this policy because our years of experience have shown that wear & tear failures arising in the first 90 days on cover are almost always pre-existing faults that were apparent before the vehicle came on cover. Upon renewal, this cover obviously applies from day one. This policy is unique to Warranty Direct and reflects our position as industry leaders for customer service and satisfaction.
If your vehicle has a mileage of less than 60,000 we will pay the full cost of parts and labour. For vehicles over 60,000, the table below shows the percentage we will pay depending on the vehicle's mileage at the time of breakdown. We always pay the labour cost in full.
Mileage
Parts
Labour
Up to 60,000 miles
100%
100%
Up to 70,000 miles
90%
100%
Up to 80,000 miles
80%
100%
Up to 90,000 miles
70%
100%
Up to 100,000 miles
60%
100%
Over 100,000 miles
50%
100%
Our simple chart lets you know exactly where you stand from day one, avoiding dispute and annoyance on your part. Some companies will cover you against wear & tear and then exclude 'normal deterioration' - watch the small print.
A good example of a wear related failure is a failed water pump, which is as a result of worn bearings This type of claim will be rejected by a warranty policy that does not cover failure caused by wear & tear.
Edited by Avant on 16/08/2010 at 17:48
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intercooler is contaminated so every mechanic ive asked even vw say change it, if i dont change it wd wont cover me
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Tazmania - who wrote the post two up from here starting "With alternative warranties...." ? It's in your name but it looks as if you're quoting from somewhere.
We want to help you as much as we can but we have to be careful not to advertise anything unofficially.
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its from warranty direct advert, is that ok
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OK - I'l edit it and make that clear. Otherwise we get complaints!
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I don't think they are saying don't change it - just that they are currently asserting that the intercooler failed because the turbo failure cased the damage to it and their engineers report suggests you drove on after the turbo blew.They have agreed to pay for the turbo damage but are currently not agreeing to replace the intercooler because they believe there may be an element of contributory negligence on their part. They quote the section in the policy on which they are relying.
If you do not belive there was then you need to assert that to them in a formal letter and argue out your case, supporting it with evidence from others if necessary.
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hi lucy, it was impossible to drive the car when the turbo blew because of the amount of black smoke that was coming out of the backend of the car and loss of power. they are paying for the turbo, oil and filter plus 4.7hrs labour so by the end of this im left with a bill of. intercooler 300.00 longlife oil/filter 45.00 flush 18.00 recovery fee not known yet, cat 595.00 labour 200.00 maybe more total 1158.00 probably over 1200 with the tow fee so im paying more than them like they told me on the phone if i dont change the intercooler they will void any future claims, not that i will be dealing with them again as for the engineers report talk about get out clauses and weasel words there they are in the reply from wd themselves.
maybe i should have just slammed the brakes on and caused a mass pile up on the road i was on because that would have been the only quicker way to stop
Edited by tazmania4580 on 17/08/2010 at 18:01
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What I am saying is you need to argue your case with them. The comment above was from one of their customer service people. It seems they are open to possible discussion.
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hi lucy, and thanks again for your reply.
ive spent all of last week on the phone 3 times per day to them 'vicky beesley' to the point it made me ill, ive stated the facts to them e.g the intercooler and cat being contaminated because of the turbo failing but no joy with them, i know im correct in what im saying , people reading my posts also know im rite but wd wont admit this fact just like dave n post telling wd to do the honest thing and repair my vehicle like it says on my policy, im worried sick how much this is going to cost me.
i read the policy before i paid for it in full and fell for it,
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thats over 1200 potential customers that have viewed this topic just on this site and may have been put off now. for the sake of covering my intercooler i would have been happy .
if honest john hadnt contacted them they would not have paid for anything thats a fact because they quoted the website to me.
Edited by tazmania4580 on 19/08/2010 at 17:27
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Hi Taz, I may be mis-reading you, if so appologies but you do yourself no favours with the layout of some of your facts. For example I asked you how long after purchase did you make the claim. You stated 5 months. Well 5 months = 150 days & lets be generous & say you mean less the 2 weeks before your first post = 136 days. This is more than a month out of the 98 days that is now been stated. You will struggle to get sympathy from anyone other than the "all special coppers & INSURANCE COMPANIES are b******s" brigade by exaggerating your side of the story
Saying that, I am genuinely stunned that WD are claiming that oil comtamination of a covered part due to failure of a coverd part is not included.
It would help your case if you could provide evidence of the recovery; can you?
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bonzo....i was 98 days into the policy, doesnt matter if it was 91 0r 101. i miss read what you were asking , myself and others have gone over the policy and agree that wd are in the wrong, once this is proven may take a year, i will send the outcome to hj and request that he passes a copy on to you by post. trading standards have taken this on so evidence of the recovery...........yes i can.
also thank you for your oppinion on special constables, nice to know that someone appreciated me giving up my time for the community.
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Hi Taz, the point on your wording was meant to help:- I have much experience of many people putting in fraudulent insurance claims & as a rule those that shout loudest or exaggerate are usually the ones doing so.
I asked about the recovery evidence in case you had not thought of this tack - you have done so, good.
The comment on the special constables was my attempt at humour. I should have put in a smiley & sincerely appologise for any hurt felt. I view all police, regular, special or PCSO as invaluable to our society
Good luck
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hi bonzo, sorry m8 im stressed out with it all, when i bought the car i thought it would be a good idea to take out a warranty after seeing the advert on t.v etc, i had the car sometime in march and purchased the warranty in april. the care had its m.o.t in the first week of june and passed with flying colours. if i was pulling a fast one how did i take the car for an m.o.t '' record of this with vosa'' and do mileage during may , june , july , august, etc during the m.o.t they rev diesels pretty high for the smoke test if the turbo had been faulty it would have smoked like hell so the turbo was fine at that time for sure. im under no illusions that some people take out a warranty after theire car developes a fault but im not one of them. sorry again for snapping at you, i thought you were having a go.
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Hi , I just bought an R class mercedes CDI 7 years old with 110000 miles / full dealer Service history , the car very well maintained and in very good condition in and out . I purchased 2 days ago a WD cover including wear and tear(W&Tcover after 90 day) . reading all the above and other reviews , i started having doubts if the WD warranty have any added value ?
I paid 700 pounds and i don't want to end up chasing them for each claim . I understand thinks might changes since 2010 but i would be grateful for any one feedback and if there are any particular conditions or closes need to be negotiated with WD to get a better deal Or if there are any other providers who can provide a better service
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After market warranties are hardly worth the paper that they are written on by my reckoning, they aren't there to just pay you back out on a whim, that's not how they make money. Expect to have to jump through many hoops if you even think about trying to claim on it. Plus even if you do manage to claim for a failed component, any subsequent damage done to other items caused by the first failure is rarely covered. If I am wrong I am sure someone will be along to correct me...
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Hi Simon
Many thanks for the reply , I think i will clarify with them many points before the 14 day passed by , otherwise it is a catch 21 , all the part are failing because of other influence , for example compressors and alternators can fail because of bearings and can result of cam belt to snap and may damage the engine ,if i understand your commnet correct in this case they will cover only the bearing on the compressor or the compressor it self .
but how a car user /driver can predict all this if the car i passed MOT and service checks?
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