bell boy said: >>"you read it from me first" >>
Not true. You read it from me first - see
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=77520&...e
" ... negative effect on the independent traders and garages that used to survive on business from selling/servicing/repairing 10-years plus older cars... "
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There were never many old cars to be seen in Germany;most were taken "home" by the "gastarbeiter"-foreign workers-mainly Turkish.
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There were never many old cars to be seen in Germany...
Well, 2M were found from somewhere to chopped in as clunkers.
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Not a manufacturer, but distribute 24 different product ranges.
Re-read the article and if that distributor has up to date vehicle population stats and can manage his product ranges effectively then his obsolete stock should be minimised. That trade magazine is full of aftermarket doom mongers harking back to the good old days that I find hard to recall in the 21 years I've been in the motor industry. It's been hard work all the way.
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if I ring my factor up for lets say a wishbone for a mk4 fiesta with power steering i would expect him to have one in stock
however if 400,000 10 year and older cars are being scrapped what percentage of that number is indeed a mk4 fiesta?
so what you are actually saying is dump something like this arm as the market has gone/diminished as there are now x less of these on the road
why not just make anything over 10 years old not allowed on our roads?
oh-the govt mentioned this a few years ago didnt they
fast moving lines only dont make a factor,depth of stock makes them and woe betite the ones that dont stock moving depth
theres more to fast movers than to just sell car smellies and pink fluffy seatcovers?
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Surely the scrap yards are full of stock controlled parts that you need having been removed from these wrecks as part of being scrapped.
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Surely the scrap yards are full of stock controlled parts that you need having been removed from these wrecks as part of being scrapped.
Alas... No, due in part to the amount of scrappage vehicles, the dismantlers are unable to keep up, so many cars are just getting crushed.
you cant get many decent 2nd hand parts of a cube of scrap......
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Well, more fool the dismantlers. There's brass in that muck!
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spood my local end of life centre have a backlog of cars that need decontaminating and crushing,if you post your address up and how much room you have spare on your lawn (only 3 high mind thats the law) i can tell my local man he can drop some off with you and you can have anything you want apart from the cats and batteries.deal?
:-)
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Surely they could be dropped off at local comprehensives near you and let the teenagers who complain they have nuffing to do, could be employed to strip the surplus down. Kill two birds and all that ;-)
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All these 10 year old "bangers" might indeed be good for a few more years, but people are no more going to buy them instead of a new one than they would buy a second-hand tube-type telly if there's a cheap flatscreen available; especially given the financial incentives like cheap tax.
Perhaps we need to stop kidding ourselves that cars are any different to other consumer items like fridges, washing machines and even computers. With the possible exception of the latter, there are still old 'uns doing good service (a parallel to the banger or even classic movement) but the majority get recycled before they're completely beyond repair, mainly for reasons of perceived savings due to higher efficiency; it's becoming no different with cars.
Edited by Harleyman on 01/10/2009 at 00:36
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All these 10 year old "bangers" might indeed be good for a few more years but people are no more going to buy them instead of a new one than they would buy a second-hand tube-type telly if there's a cheap flatscreen available; especially given the financial incentives like cheap tax.
Sorry, but your soo wrong!
many people who buy the old bangers do so because they either cant, or wont, take out a loan..
then there is the financial losses in buying a new car, the depreciation for one, and the costs of servicing for another.
Plus in my case, there inst one car on the market today, Id want to buy!
right now, Im struggling to think what I may want in 5-10 years as my 'banger' and drawing a blank.
I wouldnt have a CR diesel if you paid me, all cars have far too many expensive electronics that will be going wrong by then (if not now!) and IMO most current cars are ugly!
Perhaps we need to stop kidding ourselves that cars are any different to other consumer items like fridges washing machines and even computers.
you lost me there!
whens the last time you had a service done on your fridge or washing machine?
Ill agree that cars todays are bland and boring, like a washing machine, but I dont think thats what you meant!
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There are plenty of cars on the road down here in NZ that are over 10 years old and still providing good service. Most are kept in good nick and seeing as the average annual mileage here is something around 8000 miles/year they'll be good for at least 12+ years I imagine. Loads of local independent service outlets are ticking over nicely.
Many such cars still fetch a couple of grand (pounds) or more when for sale too. It's a very healthy used car market, and nobody is indebting themselves to get the latest plate or latest model. Very refreshing. Scrapping a 10 year old car just because it's 10 years old seems madness!
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>>>many people who buy the old bangers do so because they either cant, or wont, take out a loan..
then there is the financial losses in buying a new car, the depreciation for one, and the costs of servicing for another.<<<
And with an older car, ya can just have TPF&T insurance.
Buyers of new cars will more or less be tied to the pain dealer for servicing - my Nissan dealer wants £80 just to change the oil on my Almera :-D
Yes, most cars are boring these days IMO, take the Focus - great car and all that but, boring as ****
Perhaps the answer (for some) is to buy a classic like the ole Borgward I posted earlier - depreciation = nil.
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my Nissan dealer wants £80 just to change the oil on my Almera :-D
I don't have a Costco or whatever card, I am not in the trade so I am pretty much at the mercy of the high street. I can't even buy the oil the manufacturer of my car recommends for £80.
In the UK it would cost me over £100 just to get the filter, oil and crush washer to do it myself so paying the main dealer half an hours labour and disposing of over six litres of used engine oil for me is no real pain.
Yes, the dealership will get the oil cheaper and make more of a margin on it but I don't have access to his supplier.
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>>>I can't even buy the oil the manufacturer of my car recommends for £80.<<<
Maybe I'm just living in the past? I wouldn't use any old oil btw - only The Best! + a genuine oil filter.
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No doubt BB will be pleased that they have extended the scheme with another £100 mil!! Not!
I agree with BB, I don't like the scheme at all... but if it was to make sense then they should have done a sliding scale of payments dependant on where the car was built... max for UK, 50% less for EU and 75% less for outside the EU, at least that way home manufcaturers and those we trade with the most would have been the main beneficiaries.... Oh, and exclude all cars over 20 years old to prevent rare cars being scrapped...
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>>>but if it was to make sense then they should have done a sliding scale of payments dependant on where the car was built...<<<
Make sense! come, come now - you surely don't mean that do you?
And anyway, that would whiff of protection-ism & we can't be aving any of that now can we - now that we all Europeans :(
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The French do it all the time... its about time we did...
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>>>The French do it all the time... its about time we did... <<<
I wholeheartedly agree! This country is in a 2 and 8 m8 - the likes of which will be revealed in the coming year or so, so NOW is the time to support British workers, that's you & me!
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Talking protecting your markets ,i wonder how many people on here are aware that the president of the usa put a 35 per cent additional import duty on Chinese tyres 3 weeks ago . He didnt do that without good reason did he,i see dumping tyres the same as dumping £5000 cars
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