What cars have electronic parking brakes?  
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - legacylad
My gf has covered 60k totally reliable miles in her '07 Passat Tdi and we had a brief look at the new Skoda Superb. She refuses to drive an estate, and a hatch would be very useful in her next vehicle...company or otherwise.
The electronic parking brake is a must, she is addicted to it now!!
What other vehicles have this?

Removed make and model as not relevant for question, Rob.

Edited by rtj70 on 02/02/2009 at 12:44

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What cars have electronic parking brakes? - daveyjp
Cars I've driven with it:

A4,A6, Jag S Type, Jag XF
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Jase
Our C-Max has it (Ghia model only I believe)

I thought Mercs had had them for ages too.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - TheOilBurner
2006- Volvo S80s have it, as do 2007- V70s/XC70s. Although not on the base models, presumably to suit the many doubters still out there.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - tack
C4 Picasso, comes on with manual intervention, or automatically when ignition turned off.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - OptimaBen (formerly SeeFive)
New Citroen C5 exclusives and the C6 have electric handbrakes.

So do the higher model Vauxhall Insignias.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Stargazer {P}
Also, current Laguna (well at least the diesel estate I hired last week did).

StarGazer
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Robin Reliant
In all my years driving whenever I have applied the handbrake I have never thought, "Blimey, I wish there was an easier way of doing this".

A daft and expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - the swiss tony
In all my years driving whenever I have applied the handbrake I have never thought
"Blimey I wish there was an easier way of doing this".
A daft and expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Which way do these operate?
failsafe on, not nice if you need to move the car, worse if your driving at the time....

or...

failsafe off, not nice if parked on a hill.........
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - gordonbennet
There's 2 things about electric handbrakes i really dislike.

You cannot partially release as you judge the take up of clutch bite on a hill, presumably there's some sort of hill assist device as well, (i do hope so, something else to go wrong).

Secondly, as the car ages and things do deteriorate, you have a certain 'feel' when applying the normal handbrake whats happening at the business end, and you know when you have to apply a couple of extra clicks to park on that regular hill that something needs adjusting up or looking at.

You cannot have that same relationship with the electric brake, all you hear is a whirring and have to hope that all is well, and with some modern (automated manual) gearboxes that cannot be left in gear easily thats something i do not want.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - grumpyscot
There's 2 things about electric handbrakes i really dislike.
>>


No 3 - You can't do handbrake turns either!
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - DP
The Scenic II has one as well.

re gb's comments on partial release, this is unnecessary, since the handbrake releases at just the right moment for a perfect hillstart. It took me months to trust it, but it really does work well. Just pull away as normal, and as soon as the drive causes the car to squat on its rear suspension, there's a whirr, and the handbrake disengages.

My friendly mechanic greases the linkages at every service, otherwise it's needed no attention in 4 yrs / 62k

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - TheOilBurner
You cannot partially release as you judge the take up of clutch bite on a
hill presumably there's some sort of hill assist device as well (i do hope so
something else to go wrong).


You don't need to. Hill start assist is quite common, as is electronic handbrakes that release themselves when you start to drive forward.

So hill start involves simply leaving the handbrake on and pulling forward. It works, I've tried it in a new S80 and fell in love with it.

It's not like old fashioned handbrakes were always so great, ask just about any Vectra or Signum owner...
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - andyfr
Why do we need them though?
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - the swiss tony
>>
Which way do these operate?
failsafe on not nice if you need to move the car worse if your driving
at the time....>>
or...>>
failsafe off not nice if parked on a hill.........


Im still waiting to learn.... anyone any idea?
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - TheOilBurner
Im still waiting to learn.... anyone any idea?


Dunno, but I'd ask this instead: what's the fail safe on a normal handbrake?

Perhaps we should ask all those Vectra and Signum owners whose car has rolled away with a properly applied traditional handbrake think?
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - William Stevenson
I wish I had put it as well as Robin, whose entertaining post could be sub-titled: 'An End to Handbrake Application Misery?'. How lazy do you have to be to find this an intolerable chore? On the other hand, I thought this about the electric windows in the 94 Astra, which never faltered in 14 years, and I also thought that indexed gears on cycles were un-necessary, and they're good as well. Therefore, the question is: Are these non-manual parking brakes better and why, or do they cause more problems than they solve?
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - TheOilBurner
Here's one problem the electronic parking brake solves: when I apply the handbrake in SWMBOs Zafira, I do it so far up that poor Mrs Oilburner struggles to release it again.

No matter how many times she (rightly) chastises me for this, I still do it all the time.

Install an electronic handbrake and problem simply goes away.

Ta da!

I'm sure there are more benefits if I stopped to think about it.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - daveyjp
When I've used them one advantage is you have no doubt the handbrake has been applied properly - you can hear it applying to the rear brakes.

Hill starts are also easy and cause no fuss whatsoever, which is why at present they aren't permitted during driving tests.

You get more room between the seats and the LHD handbrake on RHD cars problem doesn't exist. This is an issue on the A3 as having the passenger seat too far forward to give my daugher room in the back means my hand fouls on the seat belt bracket mounted to the passenger seat and the handbrake can't be applied fully.

No such issue with the new A4.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - TheOilBurner
Ah yes, good point. It will also prevent accidental fondling of passengers right legs in LHD handbrake cars!

Or maybe that's not so bad after all.. :)
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - DP
When I've used them one advantage is you have no doubt the handbrake has been
applied properly - you can hear it applying to the rear brakes.


The Scenic even tells you "PARKING BRAKE ON" in the computer display, along with the more traditional (P) warning lamp. It then flashes up (surprise surprise) "PARKING BRAKE OFF" when you pull away.

I will never forget the first time I test drove one, and having to do a hill start at a set of lights just 200yds from the dealer, and with a queue of cars behind me. It is the weirdest feeling in the world to place trust in something you've never even heard of before (as I hadn't until that point)
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - movilogo
Why do manufactures fit electronic parking brakes in the first place? Is it cheaper than conventional one?
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - DP
Why do manufactures fit electronic parking brakes in the first place? Is it cheaper than
conventional one?


In the case of the Scenic, it's to free up space in the centre console area.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - MrDanno
In all my years driving whenever I have applied the handbrake I have never thought, "Blimey, I wish there was an easier way of doing this". A daft and expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I tend to agree, Not because I'm Luddite but, Because I see no point in making things unnecessarily complicated and expensive.

The electronic handbrake modules on some new cars cost several hundred pounds to replace when they fail (and they do fail). On the other hand a new hand brake cable costs about £12 and will last at least 15 years on a well serviced car (provided the design of the hand brake system is good).

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - flipz

I know this is now an old thread but I am interested in the same question; Which cars have electronic handbrake and hill-start assist?

Just to update previous posts, these features ARE now allowed on driving tests, and to those who wonder what use they are, they are a great help to people with disabilities that prevent effective and safe normal use of the handbrake.

Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Avant

2009 was probaby the last time anyone actually said they wanted an electronic parking brake (EPB), although some people have got used to them.

VW and Audi have EPBs on most bigger models, and they have recently infected the Golf and A3. All Skodas have proper handbrakes: the new Octavia I've got on order has spece for a mbile phone tray as well as two cupholders beside the handbrake, so I can't imagine what other space needs to be freed up.

I think Ford dropped it from some models as they listened to their customers. BMW 5s and 7s have EPBs I think but the 3-series still has a proper one.

I'm sure others can supply further information.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - oldgit

Annoyingly, this wonderful extra space that VW have given us in their new MK7 Golf, now fitted with an EPB, has resulted in a larger storage space (similar to my MK6's one with sliding cover),but which has now two fixed cup or bottle holders!

These, stupidly, cannot be removed as I'd prefer, to free up proper storage space for more useful things. And so from my point of view I would now have a space that can only be used for things I rarely ever have in my cars.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - drd63

Good to see the flat earth society having their say.

I've got EPB with hill start assist, superb idea all round.

I've just had a hire car on holiday with traditional handbrake and managed to resist the only benefit (hand brake turns) while bemoaning the many shortcomings of such antiquated technology - hire car also lacked auto wipers and headlights two other great conveniences.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - wrangler_rover

Toyota Avensis facelifted version late 2008 onwards.

These have an electronic parking brake mounted on the dashboard, the difference is you push the button to apply the parking brake and pull it to release. There is no hill assist but it automatically releases as the clutch is released so you never roll back.

The 2013 Avensis has the facility where the parking brake can be programmed to automatically apply when the engine is turned off.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - gordonbennet

Good to see the flat earth society having their say.

I've got EPB with hill start assist, superb idea all round

Hope its got ESP or whatever the latest must have acronym is too, it would surely slide straight off the road in the event of rain otherwise.

:-))

gb...fully signed up member of the ''if it aint broke don't fix it'' club.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - galileo

gb...fully signed up member of the ''if it aint broke don't fix it'' club.

Me too, new,"improved" versions of things on my computer (Excel, iTunes etc) take a long time to get used to and don't have enough advantage to be worth the effort.

I do appreciate not having to adjust contact breaker points, carburetters etc.these days, I spent hours doing such things in the past, but EPB's seem like a step too far.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - unthrottled

bemoaning the many shortcomings of such antiquated technology - hire car also lacked auto wipers and headlights two other great conveniences.

I know how you feel. Sometimes I drive for miles in pitch black darkness with the windscreen covered in water because the switch is-like-all of six inches off the steering wheel. I mean what a drag! And having to check your mirrors every time you want to manoeuvre! It's like totally too much effort.

Some people need taxi vouchers.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - daveyjp
Traffic Cops has just shown how much of a pain these can be. An Evoque 'dies' in the outside lane of the M62. Within 20 minutes there is a five mile tailback. Police can't push it out of the way because the handbrake won't release. Car is dragged onto a recovery vehicle, no doubt flat spotting four brand new tyres.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - gordonbennet
. Car is dragged onto a recovery vehicle, no doubt flat spotting four brand new tyres.

RTFM.

Should be an emergency release mechanism for any car with one in case of failure, especially a LR..;)

For C4 Picasso there is a thing in the tool kit that looks suspiciously like an IUD, this thing is inserted through a rubber bung in the left hand side of the front transmission tunnel and engages with a drive. Winding it up breaks something with a bang, had to do this when delivering brand new, parking brake is now broken but relessed and has to go to the main dealer for repair...brilliant i must get one..:-)

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - daveyjp
The officer was too busy RTFM to find out how much of the front of the car needed dismantling to get to the towing eye!

He was fortunate the owner had the manual in the car.
What cars have electronic parking brakes? - gordonbennet
The officer was too busy RTFM to find out how much of the front of the car needed dismantling to get to the towing eye!

:-))) love it

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Ordovices

But how retro do we go?

hand adjusted timing, no servo brakes, vacuum powered wipers, exterior door handles only, foot switch for high beam (if you've got these new fangled electric light things, carbide all the way for me)....

It may not be welcomed by all, but I like my EPB. One less thing to think about when pulling out (means I can carry on texting whilst safely maintaining control by having a hand on the steering wheel).

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - gordonbennet

But how retro do we go?

Good question.

We all have different desires in our cars, and we have different life expectances from them too.

I'm a used car buyer generally, prefer something substantial but without too many toys unless Japanese or other far east build, its got to last up to 20 years or maybe more (my 17 year old MB is having a lot of money spent this year to ensure a much longer life) if its something to cherish/enjoy.

Even if its not desirable or beautiful or future classic i don't want or need traction/stability controls cruise climate automated anything (except TC auto gearbox if available) memory seats or such garbage, unless as i said its a Japanese build when all such systems are more likely to last the course.

Others, who get such cars new as company cars want all the toys and get shot when the warranty expires, for those if it all goes wrong its someone elses headache and bill so why not.

The people i don't understand are used car buyers who voluntarily buy the most complicated 'fully loaded' models from makers well known for their customer contempt.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - oldgit

.........One less thing to think about when pulling out (means I can carry on texting whilst safely maintaining control by having a hand on the steering wheel).

Good lord. I don't bother having hands on the wheel when I am texting. I just jam my legs hard up against the steering wheel, thus leaving both hands free to text quickly.

Incidentally, getting back to EPB and Autohold as fitted to the new Golf and others, I assumed that pulling up on hills, inclines etc or pulling up on the level in traffic jams it was the Autohold and not the EPB that held the car from moving, and this was accomplished by maintaining pressure in the brakelinest - the EPB was just used when parking up.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - unthrottled

But how retro do we go?

hand adjusted timing, no servo brakes, vacuum powered wipers, exterior door handles only, foot switch for high beam (if you've got these new fangled electric light things, carbide all the way for me)....

There were compelling reasons to replace these devices-they did not function very well. The conventional car controls do work well. The worrying aspect is that some drivers are too lazy to operate their vehicles but still want a steering wheel to play with. Driving is a repetitive activity that requires constant vigilence.

The simple act of deciding to switch the windscreen wipers on reminds you that that the road surface is wet and that traction will be reduced. Manual headlight operation forces the operator to at least consider light levels. Once you automate everything, it is very tempting for the driver to become a steering wheel attendent in a well insulated bubble.

And if anyone thinks total automation is the way forward just consider the airline industry. Autopilot has been capable of taking off, flying to a destination and landing the plane without any intervention from the pilot for decades. Yet every commercial plane still carries two expensive pilots. Now consider how much more choreographed the flight path of commercial air traffic is compared to vehicles on roads...

Slobs should buy a contract with a taxi firm, rather than having their indolence indulged with gadgets.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Ordovices

The electric parking brake is one less distraction when pulling away/hill starts. I doubt that hill starts will ever become a reflex, so that every decision will involve use of capacity, little touches like self cancelling indicators negate the need to primarily consider them. Conventional controls may work well, but they can be improved or removed, take e mail, it has dented the snail mail hold significantly and is undoubtedly an improvement, not that snail mail did not work, just that e mail does it better. Gadgets are fun for some, if you can't afford to maintain them then that's another matter.

I think that your faith in fellow road users associating windscreen wipers with lack of traction is misplaced, and how many drivers who have started a journey in the dark and progressed into broad daylight do you see, still with headlights blazing even when there's an off switch available (or worse driving around built up areas in the dark oblivious to the gloom owing to street lamps lighting the way), very little consideration for light levels there, or driving down the motorway for several miles watching the right turn signal of someone who joined the road minutes ago, despite the incessant tick, tick, tick . ABS, TC, EBD et al are there to make bad drivers less of a danger by limiting their scope to screw up.

I suspect that the two pilots carried on airlines has more to do with emergency situations (eg Hudson River) and customer confidence, I know I felt quite vulnerable when I first sat where I thought the driver should be on the DLR.

I suspect that there will never be a concensus on this, however, we are a gadget hungry society and it can lead us up some very strange paths (angry birds used to be what was left in cooking lunch on a Sunday when we went down the pub, now it's a game).

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - colinh

Auris Hybrid offers both an electronic park mode with HSA, as well as a mechanical handbrake

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - oldgit

The trouble is that when we all start discussing automation or what we consider now necessary in our cars today, we start making rather silly observations.

When I bought the first of my Four Austin Healey Sprites, starting in 1959, I had to specify a heater as an optional extra and a windscreen washer was some simple device I had to buy from the local motoring shop and consisted of a dashboard mounted pump action button squirting water from a plastic reservoir mounted on the bulkhead somwhere and may have held about a pint of water. We have come a long way since then and expect things to more advanced than that - but we've gone too far in certain respects.

However, I wouldn't buy or want a car that didn't have air conditioning. As I have aged I have become much less tolerant to heat and humidity and wouldn't go anywhere in a car nowadays that amounted to little more than a very hot metal box fitted with glass (and more of the latter).

But enough is enough when it comes to silly things such as the subject of this thread. I'm sure that these devices are fitted not for our benefit but for those of the manufacturers and extra space on the centre console simply won't go down with me.

I am now used to auto- wipers, auto headlights and auto-dimming rear view mirrors but could easily get used to not having them after a very short while. I frequently turn off my auto lights as they keep on flashing on and off under certain conditions of sudden shade, overhead trees etc. which possibly could be misconstrued by oncoming vehicles. Similarly, on a late Summer's evening, the headlights will come on unnecessarily when there is plenty of daylight available.

I could go on about the auto wipers. Very useful for about 75% of the time but I would rather have fixed interval ones back, I think, as at least you know when the next wipe of the screen will be and I won't have to manually intervene because those darned auto wipers don't think fit to clear the screen because the spots of rain are not in the right place on the sensor.

Edited by oldgit on 10/09/2013 at 15:39

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Hamsafar

There are two types of EPB, one where a motor pulls on what is effectively a conventional cable-operated brake (e.g. LR Discovery) and the other is effectively cordless drill-like motors in the rear calipers that wind the calipers on and off the disc (such as VAG)

I only have experience of the latter and would never go back to an old stick between the seats that you pull up on a ratchet any more than I would squeaze a bulb for the horn or yearn for a choke to 'finely' control my start and warmup mixture.

If it failed to release, I would call green flag to undo it with a hex socket or do it myself if at home.

If it failed to apply, just use park or gear and park against something, same as a handbrake.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - oldgit

....................If it failed to apply, just use park or gear and park against something, same as a handbrake.

A rather cavalier attitude, if that's the right word. Anyway the problems and costs arise when these super new gizmos need maintenance. I would think you could not replace your own unit at home as it needs a 'computer' to set the clamping action up again, I believe and therefore your expensive main dealer is your only recourse.

Their probably fine if the car is company owned, leased etc. or you only keep you car a few years but 10 year down the line, well........................heap big trouble

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - unthrottled

I would think you could not replace your own unit at home as it needs a 'computer' to set the clamping action up again, I believe and therefore your expensive main dealer is your only recourse.

Sounds like the old wheeze of floggng gas BBQs. The appliances are sold at a loss. The profit is made on selling canisters of propane at a huge margin.

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - Hamsafar

....................If it failed to apply, just use park or gear and park against something, same as a handbrake.

A rather cavalier attitude, if that's the right word. Anyway the problems and costs arise when these super new gizmos need maintenance. I would think you could not replace your own unit at home as it needs a 'computer' to set the clamping action up again, I believe and therefore your expensive main dealer is your only recourse.

Their probably fine if the car is company owned, leased etc. or you only keep you car a few years but 10 year down the line, well........................heap big trouble

EPB failingis less of a problem than with a stick-brake, as a stick brake will fail and change state from on to off (as could be seen by numerous stories on BBC's Watchdog and various recalls). At least an EPB will fail and remain on or off.

They also offer built-in 'virtual' wear indicators using the hall sensors that count the number of shaft rotations and report back to the instuments, they also reapply on hot discs as they cool so no more rolling away like Vauxhalls' and Renaults' with stick-brakes.

EPB can also be applied as emergency brake as it is programmed to activate ABS up to a certain rate of deceleration, if a passenger was to apply a stick brake due to the driver having a health problem, the rear wheels would probably lock up and the car spin.

The EPB pads can be changed on VAG cars with the use of a laptop and £8 ebay cable, or even a hand-held module for about £30. You can even use mobile phones' and tablets' web browser now with a wireless web-server module, but that's expensive until the Chinese can copy it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDv0TgeN8YU

Edited by Hamsafar on 12/09/2013 at 18:20

What cars have electronic parking brakes? - galileo

Vauxhalls and Renaults with 'stick brakes' would not roll away if their drivers did what they are supposed to do when parking on a gradient, i.e. leave them in the appropriate gear and turn the front wheels to the kerb; standard recommendation for years as a 'failsafe' practice.

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