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Who to inform - someone driving without licence  
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - wazza
There is someone locally who drives a car without a driving licence. She often drops her children off at school. Who is the best authority to inform?

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Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Pugugly {P}
The only realistic choice is the Police. I would suggest phoning Crimestoppers. I've had some involvement (charity stuff, glint off tooth). Get as much info as possible, times, vehicle make colour and reg. They will inform the local cops keeping you out of the mix and due to the way the info is audited you're almost certain of something being done. 0800 555 111.

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 12/11/2007 at 21:41

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - hbosken
And let's hope they catch her quickly before the kids become ex-kids.

Bet she doesn't even have the correct seats / bolster cushions for the kids either.............
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Dwight Van Driver
How do you know she has no Licence?

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Who to inform - someone driving without licence - OldSock
Try phoning that TV programme - what is it now? Ah yes, "Grass on your Neighbour"
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
Is this a troll? I find it hard to believe that on the information given a normal person would consider scurrying off to the fuzz and sneaking, or telling anyone else that was what they were doing.

Is it suggested the woman is a dangerous driver?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bell boy
ER lud next doors car got whacked by a uninsured no driving licence vehicle last week and if sneaking to the fuzzies is being a troll then let me tell you

IM A TROLL :-)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Statistical outlier
Ditto, I'm off to find a bridge to hide under.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Carse
If they haven?t got a Licence there is usually a very good reason, they are unsafe and unable to drive to the required standards. They should therefore be stopped immediately

Carse
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
usually a very good reason they are
unsafe and unable to drive to the required standards. They should therefore be stopped immediately


Like a substantial percentage of drivers with licences you mean?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Round The Bend
Well at least we can assume that they were able to drive to the right standard at the point of obtaining their licenses.

Not sure what Lud is trying to protect here. Are you advocating total deregulation of the roads?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ruperts Trooper
If they've got no licence, they'll be uninsured even if they actually paid a premium - being uninsured is enough to shop them in my book.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
Are you advocating total deregulation of
the roads?


Of course not.

But I do think you need to have an assessment of the person you are grassing up. Might be a lethal slobbish don't-give-a-damn yobbo's doxy and brats, might be a struggling single mother trying to get her kids to school and wishing her driving test would hurry up so she wouldn't be illegal. There's a considerable difference.

Of course I can be accused of sentimentality and having never grown up. Perhaps the mature attitude should be heartless, bureaucratic and indiscriminate.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - escort man

"There's a considerable difference"

Indeed there is, and that?s for the courts to deal with ..... (supposedly)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - nick
If she has no licence presumably her insurance (if she has any) would be void in the event of an accident?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Leif
ER lud next doors car got whacked by a uninsured no driving licence vehicle last
week and if sneaking to the fuzzies is being a troll then let me tell
you
IM A TROLL :-)



Me too.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Zippy123
LUD - you are right - there are graduations.

However, I would not want to be in an accident with her either.

Police to be informed!
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
Suppose it was a small accident and she said sorry and gave you the 20 quid or whatever to put new lipstick on your silly back bumper?

Would you grass her up then?

Seems to me that proper people admit it and pay up or try to. They also drive with care and try not to cause crashes. I don't think they should be persecuted by sneaks and po-faced self-righteous people who have somehow found the money to be legal and spent it in that way, but think that last week when they couldn't they were inferior and persecutable.

I don't want to insult the OP, it's just a question of what he knows about this poor woman (if she wasn't poor she would have a licence or driver). If all that is known is that she hasn't got a driving licence, I would say that was a despicable reason for putting the bubble in for her.

Who else in the BR can remember bubble in that sense?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - BobbyG
Lud, "if she wasn't poor she would have a licence or driver"

Where do you come from with this conclusion? Only poor people drive without licenses?

Do we now have separate laws depending on income?

Complete and utter tosh.
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2005 Skoda Fabia vrS
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - nortones2
Our local drug dealer (probably one of several) never had any "papers" as the police put it. I suspect they are an impediment to a career in crime. However, he seemed to have owned several properties. Not poor in money terms. Gone away for a while I believe:)

Edited by nortones2 on 13/11/2007 at 20:42

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Zippy123
And what if she runs over you. An honest accident, did not see you in the low winter sun.

She won't have insurance and you could be crippled or killed. Would you be able to cope if injured. Would your family cope without recompence.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Pugugly {P}
Having no licence is no bar to having Insurance. Pound to a penny that your certificate will say something along the lines of "holds, has held or is not disqualified from holding a licence" .

The OP asked for advice on how best to report, he has measured and weighed his own ethical and moral values and has decided on a course of action.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Robbie
I don't want to insult the OP it's just a question of what he knows
about this poor woman (if she wasn't poor she would have a licence or driver).
If all that is known is that she hasn't got a driving licence I would
say that was a despicable reason for putting the bubble in for her.
Who else in the BR can remember bubble in that sense?


If she's that poor how can she afford to run a car?

Similar case on Road Wars last week - it's been repeated numerous times - where someone "put the bubble" on a woman driving wiithout a licence. The Officer told her that as she had no licence she was not insured.

Do you approve of driving whilst uninsured?

I'm not sure that I could "grass" someone up, but I have every sympathy with the OP and wouldn't condemn him.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - jbif
might be a struggling single mother trying to get her kids to school

I don't think they should be persecuted by sneaks and po-faced self-righteous people

I don't want to insult the OP, it's just a question of what he knows about this poor woman (if she wasn't poor she would have a licence or driver).


Lud, you asked "Is this a troll?" On the contrary, your posts partially quoted above seem to be more in keeping with someone on a trolling expedition. Or have you just found another thing that poor single women are now entitled to do in nuLabour's Great Britain?

Robbie said "Similar case on Road Wars last week - it's been repeated numerous times .."
Yes I saw that one. The number of outright lies that the woman and her husband were coming up with had to be seen to be believed. Her husband only shut up when threatened with perjury.
The woman was driving erratically, was not a single mother, and her family certainly did not seem "poor". All these go against the perception Lud has of these types of drivers.
I agree with those who say "If you don't have a licence, Don't drive"

Lud, I take it you do have a licence, dont you?

Edited by jbif on 13/11/2007 at 21:06

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Simon
Its a bit of a dilema I suppose but at the end of the day why should she get away with driving when she hasn't passed the test, which is something the rest of us have had to do in order to be entitled to drive. Whether I'd be prepared to grass her up or not (if I was you) I don't know but I certainly wouldn't be pleased that she was driving without a licence.

As for this correlation between being poor and not having a driving licence I think that thought is way off the mark. Even the celebrities seem to think that they can get away with driving without a licence. Two of the regulars who seem to have been in the papers more than once for this offence are Kerry Katona and Jade Goody - neither are short of a bob or two.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Pugugly {P}
My very first case was an elderly driver of Jaguar who had been driving for a number of years with no licence. He was male, not a parent, wealthy and a very nice man. He used to wave at the local Cop every time he saw him. His offence came to light after an accident.

Over the years I have dealt with the very poor, the poor, the not so poor the moderately wealthy the rich and very rich, most were guilty of transgressing some offence or other, there is no demographic for offenders.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - jbif
Pugugly - what does the "has held" bit in your quotation "holds, has held or is not disqualified from holding a licence" mean in plain English? What sort of situation is that legalese supposed to cover?

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Pugugly {P}
When you licecne runs out - happens you know !
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
I wouldn't dream of suggesting that anyone should drive without proper papers, although many have who are now bureaucratically straight.

But I can't really sympathise with the view that anyone who is known not to be strictly legal ought to be bubbled.

If they are cynically saving money or stupidly just not bothering, and they get run in, serves them right. If they are dangerous or look likely to become so, bubble them by all means.

But there are cases of a very different sort. There's no need to spell them out, everyone knows. Why pretend not to?

That was what I was trying to talk about. A moral rather than legal position. They don't always coincide as many have discovered. Of course some people will disagree strongly with the views I have expressed and have a right to. But most of these strongly legalist arguments are based on supposition of worst case. It can happen. But how often does it?

Edited by Lud on 13/11/2007 at 22:22

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ruperts Trooper
But most of these strongly legalist arguments are based on supposition of worst
case. It can happen. But how often does it?


You could use the same argument to justify driving without insurance or driving dangerously if you have accidents rarely - but I wouldn't.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
I wasn't trying to justify anything illegal.

I was just casting doubt on the wisdom or ultimate justice of reporting someone merely for not having a driving licence. They might deserve a short sharp shock, but they might not. Any idiot can see that.

Someone said the courts could deal with it, or should, in principle. Well, if it comes to it, yes.

But what has this poor woman done to so frighten wazza that he thinks her life should be disrupted by a tiresome and expensive drubbing in the courts?

She may have done something like this. But he doesn't tell us what it is.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - FotheringtonThomas
I was just casting doubt on the wisdom or ultimate justice of reporting someone merely
for not having a driving licence. They might deserve a short sharp shock but they
might not. Any idiot can see that.


It is not "merely not having a driving licence", though, is it, as discussed elsewhere in this thread.

I'm a troll, too. Are you?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - pendulum
Any idiot can see that.


Oh really.

Surely "any idiot can see" that if someone has not bothered to take, or could not pass, a driving test, which is a basic test of skill, then that is either because they are bad drivers, or they have a blatant disrespect for the law, or both. Either way they have no valid insurance, which means if they hit me, they probably can't afford to pay for the damage. Guess what? ANY IDIOT CAN SEE that people without licences are at a higher risk of crashing and research has backed that up.

She shouldn't be on the road. End of. No licence, no insurance... just the sort the police ought to be cracking down on.

OP is absolutely within his rights to report this woman and shouldn't have to listen to you suggesting he is part of a group of: "sneaks and po-faced self-righteous" people.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ian (Cape Town)
Surely "any idiot can see" that if someone has not bothered to take or could
not pass a driving test which is a basic test of skill ...


Ok, slight thread hijack here... it ain't just skill.

Passing your driving test, IMHO, means that you have shown sufficient ability in vehicle control, sufficient knowledge of the signage and regulations of driving (ie a knowledge of the law), shown sufficient confidence in your ability to drive, and shown your ability to adapt to situations which may arise.

Not being 'good enough' on any of the above is a failure, and rightly so. I do not wish to share the roads with you.

Now, shove this logic into a different endeavour - medicine, perhaps?
Those universities and hospitals train up folk to become doctors, dentists and pharmacists.
If I was aware that somebody was practising these professions without a license, i'd grass them up - for the greater good of society.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - CGNorwich
What does the "has held" bit in your quotation "holds, has held or is not disqualified from holding a licence" mean in plain English? What sort of situation is that legalese supposed to cover?

I would suggest that this is a slight misquote of the policy wording. The usual wording is "holds or has held and is not disqualified from holding a licence"

i.e it is designed to provide cover if you have had a licence but it has expired as long as you are not disqualified from holding a license. It there to ensure that you are not without insurance just because you have forgotten to renew you license.

If you have never held a license you are definitely not covered
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Pugugly {P}
You're quite right, thanks for the clarification - the magic word is "and" so if your license has run out you're covered - technically.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - ForumNeedsModerating
The OP sounds quite right to be concerned about the potentially bad outcomes for the illegal driver, her children, other road users & himself if he/she doesn't flag this up in some way.


That it could even be suggested that this is prejudicial or unfair simply beggars belief & would make one question whether such a viewpoint would be consistent with an understanding of right & wrong.

Edited by woodbines on 13/11/2007 at 23:57

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Blue {P}
I'd shop her without giving it a moment's hesitation. I waited until I'd passed my test to start driving and I'm damned if I would let someone get away with not doing what I had to.

An ex-friend mine got done for drink driving and lost her licence, she didn't stop driving, or even tell her mother who's BMW she drove around in until she was caught driving with no licence by an ANPR system. If I'd have known I would have shopped her myself whether she was a mate or not.

Blue
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - sierraman
'Who else in the BR can remember bubble in that sense? '


I do,'bubble up' is the expression I know,from bubble and sqeak=speak.Also used for Greek as in 'Nick the bubble' in Lock,Stock etc.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - motorprop

Do the bint ... her selfishness is beyong imagination. She isn't insured and probably as somebody else already mentioned is a very bad driver who failed tests aplenty .

I remember as a young lad watching That's Life on the box and they showed some uber- dumb farmer's wife who failed her test something like 53 times ( it was over 50 ) and they thought it was hilarious and that prat composed a song about her ... They didn't seem to realise that this person was simply not up to the complicated task of driving - Just like the Lithuanian who a) drove into the back of me on the North Circular whilst I was waiting at lights b) Got out of the car and blamed me !! Just as well I had my camera on me . I wanted to offer her the chance to settle for cash but she said she wanted me to pay her damage - How much for East European driving tests - £50 ??

The point is, just as most of us would / could never be pilots / brain surgeons / plumbers because we don't have the requisite skills , some people should never get behind the wheel . The right to drive is not enshrined in the Magna Carta - I say fail the test 3 times and you must wait say a year before a re-test with about 20 certified lessons .
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ian (Cape Town)
>>They didn't seem to realise that this person was simply not
up to the complicated task of driving -

>>The right to drive is not enshrined in the Magna
Carta - I say fail the test 3 times and you must wait say a
year before a re-test with about 20 certified lessons .

>>

I'll agree with you 100% on this one. Unfortunately the way of the world seems to be these day that 'it is our right to...' as opposed to the logical 'driving is a privilege one has to earn'.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bell boy
a good friend of mine murdered 22 people in cold blood last night and left thre scene in a car,im not going to report them because i remember that they once gave me a lift back from the pub and i was the grateful one (and not dead)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - L'escargot
a good friend of mine murdered 22 people in cold blood last night ........


Fibber!
--
L\'escargot.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - legacylad
Bell Boy
If I were you'd lay off the cheese late at night.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
Sorry chaps. Can't agree that driving without a licence is comparable in any way to cold-blooded murder. Don't agree either that non-possession of a licence necessarily means the person can't drive (and we all know, don't we, that possession of a licence doesn't mean that a person can). Whether a person needs or deserves to be grassed up - perhaps Blue's ex friend is an example of one who does - depends on who they are. Woman taking children to school doesn't say that to me. More detail is needed.

All of you harsh legalists seem to make assumptions about the woman that aren't supported by the facts given.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Leif
My opinion is that this is a serious crime and more serious than petty crimes such as shop lifting. I would not feel any issue with referring to such people as scum and low life. The rest of us have to prove that we can on one occasion drive to a sufficient standard. So what is so special about this person? and what happens when she drives into the side of some pensioner's car, and has no insurance? Who pays the pensioner's repair bills? As I say, such people are low life.

And the "she might be poor" claim does nothing for me. Does she smoke? Does she drink? If so, then the cost of smoking and/or drinking far outweighs the cost of taking a test, and buying insurance.

And in any case what would the punishment be? From cases I have heard about, if she is an otherwise honest person, she will get a warning, maybe a small fine, and maybe a suspended sentence. But she really is scum, then she will get what she deserves.

Incidentally, my step brother once regularly drove without a licence, until his mother stopped him. If I had known, and had be continued to drive, then yes I would have shopped him. As it is, the action taken was enough IMO.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - L'escargot
and what happens when she drives into the side of some pensioner's car and
has no insurance? Who pays the pensioner's repair bills?


In exchange for a paltry £100 (the excess on my protected NCD comprehensive policy) my insurer would sort it all for me, same as they did before I became a pensioner. Provided none of the occupants of my car suffer personal injury, I don't care what uninsured driver drives into my car. What they do is their business. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. You have to look after yourself in this life.
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L\'escargot.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - pendulum
And if the pensioner has TPF&F only?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - FotheringtonThomas
All of you harsh legalists seem to make assumptions about the woman that aren't
supported by the facts given.


No licence = no insurance, and that's a fact.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bell boy
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Who to inform - someone driving without licence - UncleR
Lud, I think you are missing the main point with your liberal approach.

The fact is that this driver is uninsured. No 'ifs' or 'buts'.

However good this person is, if they run you over and paralyse you, your liberal attitude to the crime she is committing will not pay for your care. That is what insurance pays for.

A 'good' person does not drive without a licence. A stupid one does, and deserves to be caught.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Big Bad Dave
My life hasn't always been a walk in the park. Won't give details but I've been in dire straits, I've driven without tax and insurance. I did what I did until I dug myself out of a hole. One of my neighbours knew this and helped me out and I'm very grateful to her.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ian (Cape Town)
Devil's advocate time.

With respect to the original poster ...

There is someone locally who drives a car while as inebriated as a newt. She often drops her children off at school. Who is the best authority to inform?


Same logic applies - IF said unlicensed/totally bladdered woman hits you in your vehicle, due to inept behaviour behind the wheel...

They shouldn't be on the road - end of story.

NOW ... shall we start a new thread - "I saw some bloke drink 15 pints of lager, and get into his car. Who do I inform?"
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - milkyjoe

NOW ... shall we start a new thread - "I saw some bloke drink 15
pints of lager and get into his car. Who do I inform?"


his liver specialist?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ian (Cape Town)
SNIPQUOTE!
his liver specialist?


That would be Best ...

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 14/11/2007 at 18:52

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - artful dodger {P}
>>NOW ... shall we start a new thread - "I saw some bloke drink 15 pints of lager, and get into his car. Who do I inform?"

I have seen in the late afternoon a very drunk driver who was unable to keep to the left side of the road, he even crossed double white lines several times. I called the Police with the registration number of the car and details of the main A road it was travelling on. The reaction I got amazed me. "Were there any other witnesses?" Just my wife and daughter with me. "Did he hit another vehicle or object?" No. "Then there is little we can do other than note your comments." So this driver got away with it because the Police could not be bothered to make any checks. It made me wonder if I would bother phoning another time.


--
Roger
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - captain chaos
If you do phone them another time better make sure you're on a hands free or they'll scramble the chopper... ;-)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
Clearly I am not going to convince anyone here. And they are not going to convince me. Where I come from it is considered dishonourable to run whining to the authorities and make trouble for people without a good reason. It doesn't seem to me that the mere knowledge the person has no licence is a good reason. Of course wazza may well have a good reason that he hasn't given. So no offence to him.

But I accept that not everyone shares my outlook. So I won't go on repeating myself.

For the benefit of some posters however, I refer you to PugUgly's post above, to the effect that not having a driving licence is no bar to having insurance. It is often claimed that the insurance is invalid if the insured hasn't got a licence, but my impression is that this isn't really true.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - nick
Dream on. You try claiming when you have no licence. You'll be dropped like a hot brick.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ian (Cape Town)
Without a good reason?
Sharing the road with me when she shouldn't be behind the wheel is reason enough for me.
It is NOT a question of dishonourable or honourable - IF by keeping the silly bint off the road you MAY prevent an accident, then can that be a bad thing?

See my 15 pints analogy - neither are entitled, by their own actions or lack thereof, to be on the road.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
by keeping the silly
bint off the road you MAY prevent an accident then can that be a bad
thing?


On that basis Ian it's a good thing to get anyone you can off the road, because by so doing you may be preventing an accident. But you will have your work cut out calling the Cossacks over every couple of mph over the limit and every blown brake light bulb. Life's too short.

On the question of insurance, setting aside the multiple-death bloodbath crashes - not unknown on the school run but hardly commonplace - that seem to loom so large in everyone's imagination, I would far rather be involved in a traffic nerf with an honest unlicensed uninsured driver than some snivelling crook with all the insurance in the world. And the one is just as likely as the other in my experience.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - FotheringtonThomas
SNIPQUOTE!
On that basis Ian it's a good thing to get anyone you can off the
road because


But that's not addressing this specific case, is it - and it is true to say that the person in question should not be driving, isn't it. There is a very good case that it would be a failure of one's duty *not* to report such a thing.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 14/11/2007 at 18:52

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
There is a
very good case that it would be a failure of one's duty *not* to report
such a thing.


Of such bon enfant attitudes, writ sufficiently large, are totalitarianisms constructed, no offence Fothers.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - fordprefect
>> There is a
>> very good case that it would be a failure of one's duty *not* to
report
>> such a thing.


>>Of such bon enfant attitudes, writ sufficiently large, are totalitarianisms constructed, no offence Fothers


Lud, would you take the same view if you knew of a person with an unlicensed firearm?
Cars kill more people in the UK than firearms do so statistically are more dangerous.


Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
would you take the same view if you knew of a person with
an unlicensed firearm?
Cars kill more people in the UK than firearms do so statistically are more
dangerous.

>>

Couldn't agree more. Yes, I would take the same attitude. I'm not superstitious about bureaucracy or firearms. Unfortunately these days we are all legally required to be. But I'm not.

If I knew of a firearm in the hands of a crazed toerag and would-be gunman I would disapprove and take appropriate action. If it was an innocent collector or responsible person who liked and understood firearms, I would let him or her be.

As a lot of people have noticed, the ridiculous clampdown on firearms by the last government, much the same as the ridiculous foxhunting ban in general feel, has penalised innocent firearms owners without having the slightest effect on the toerag element.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bell boy
i take you to post 15.21 me Lud

'quote..........One more word.......unquote'

i count 116 extra words here ;-)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
Damn! I hoped no one would notice. I didn't myself until too late.

People keep saying things that are like puce rags to a chipmunk or something.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - FotheringtonThomas
>> a failure of one's duty *not* to report such a thing.
Of such bon enfant attitudes writ sufficiently large are totalitarianisms constructed no offence Fothers.


Ridiculous (no offence, Lud). I am very glad that the majority don't abrogate their responsibilities, and remain good citizens, by reporting such offences as this, as well as others. The mention of "totalitarianisms" makes no sense whatsoever in this context. I have no wish to be in a totalitarian State, nor a criminal one - or to have uninsured people incapable of meeting their potential obligations on the road, because they do not have a driving licence or insurance, either.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
I have no wish to
be in a totalitarian State nor a criminal one


Of course not Fothers, that's why I said no offence.

Still all this stuff about sharing the road with the unlicensed mouse in a Saxo when it is also infested with all sorts of much more dangerous carp, most of it self-consciously legal and even legalist, does depress me a bit.

You have somehow manoeuvred me back into this thread after I had signed off.

I suppose the polite thing to say is congratulations.

:o{
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Altea Ego
blimey, I aint eard the term bint for ages.. Dunno where you get the bubble term from Lud, in my mannor its means havin a laugh or a greek bloke.


Anyway. Shop em? depends on the circumstances. If I kow them to be decent I wouldnt.
If they aint? well its grass them up time.
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< Ulla>

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 10/03/2008 at 19:21

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - pendulum
All this talk of whether the insurance is valid or not... let's be realistic. She probably doesn't have any insurance to speak of, just like most unlicensed drivers. If she's prepared to drive without a licence then she'll no doubt be prepared to not spend hundreds on "unnecessary" insurance.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - pendulum
The fact given is she has no licence. That alone is enough to justify the criticism she is getting.

No licence? No drive.
No money to pay to learn to drive? No drive.
And no excuses!!!

You'd feel so differently if she hit your car, I'd bet.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - nick
It beggars belief that anyone is trying to condone driving without a licence. She's breaking the law with potential major consequences if she injures someone. Her gender, number of children, wealth or lack of wealth are irrelevant. If this was a 17 yr-old chav would it make any difference?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
I would add: it is not 'condoning' driving without a licence to refrain from reporting it. It is simply staying on the sidelines and maintaining a watching brief.

A carbon neutral approach so to speak

:o}
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - nick
Where do you draw the line? What other offences would you see committed and happily ignore?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Ian (Cape Town)
Silence = Consent.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Carse
Lud,

You seem to be missing the point, even if the woman is insured; this insurance will become invalid because she is breaking the law. She is only insured IF she owns the car and owns a provisional licence and driving with a qualified driver (FACT)

Therefore unless her children are qualified drivers she is BREAKING THE LAW and therefore her insurance is INVALID.

Carse
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - daveyjp
I could print this discussion and show it to a colleague whose mum was killed and twin sons injured after an unlicensed/uninsured driver in an untaxed, no MOT car mounted the pavement and pinned her against a shopwindow.

I wonder how many people knew of his driving status and said nothing to the Authorities?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bathtub tom
I originally come from an area where it was considered 'not the done thing' to grass up a neighbour, and anyone caught doing so would 'feel the consequences'.
Thankfully I have managed to to maintain my integrity, and move away.

Where does anarchy begin?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - 1066
I originally come from an area where it was considered 'not the done thing' to grass up a neighbour, and anyone caught doing so would 'feel the consequences'.

keeping silent in these areas is mainly why these estates contunuie to breed the lawless types.

grass em up i say.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - UncleR
Give up the argument lud. Sometimes you have to concede the majority might just have a point.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bell boy
hancock here...............what if she is innocent though? members of the jury????








only kidding...................hang her
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - bathtub tom
>>only kidding...................hang her

Or use the gas chamber. I was reading somewhere here about two week old lohnjohns ;>)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Round The Bend
Must n't use the gas chamber. Think of the carbon footprint!
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
LOL bb, and I have given up Uncle. It's just that people keep coming up with further points down here in the bottomless morass of what probably shouldn't be called moral philosophy...
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
One more word, because I am being slightly misunderstood here: daveyjp's stoned idiot driving a dangerous car dangerously is just the sort of person who ought to be reported. But we all know - or anyway I do - that there are others who are earnest, careful and perhaps only illegal on a temporary basis and unwillingly.

When such a person comes to grief, the courts may understand who they really are and use a light touch, but everyone knows they don't always do this. Anyone in the law or law enforcement knows that there are teflon villains who wriggle out of everything and mucky mamas who take undeserved falls despite their best efforts. That's why it seems to me we shouldn't be too quick to report mere technical illegalities of this sort. We may be doing the world a favour, but we may be messing up an already difficult life. That's my last word in this thread.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - 1066
technical illegalities of this sort. We may be doing the world a favour, but we may be messing up an already difficult life. That's my last word in this thread.

yes we may be making a difficult life even more so, but that isnt our problem. this woman needs to learn another way of sorting he commitments out until she can pass a test like everyone else
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - doug_r1
So does the op know for sure she doesn't have a licence, everyone has speculated about her failing to pass a test, is there something we don't know about? Is she banned?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Alyn Beattie
It is very noticable the O.P. has not contributed since his/her starting of this thread. The information given was sketchy to say the least.

Some of the comments and assumptions made above are incredulous.

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Alyn Beattie

I\'m sane, it\'s the rest of the world that\'s mad.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Carrow
Shop her. How angry does it make you when you read in the paper, a story about an innocent person run down or fatally injured in a crash with someone who LEGALLY can't be driving a car?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - joenormal
Well, irrespective of all issues. We All have our licenses, we all pay our tax, insurance and look at our MOTs. So why should others be exempt. If we comply, and pay a pretty penny for the privilege, why should others get away with it.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - L'escargot
It would be interesting to know whether any Backroomers drive without a licence, tax, insurance or MOT. I bet there's one or two lurking somewhere!
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L\'escargot.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - b308
Where do you draw the line? That she is driving an uninsured car with young children in it is bad enough, but then driving it into one of the most dangerous driving situations, namely outside a school at opening/closing time for the school is criminal.

No doubts at all, she should be shopped and stopped before anyone gets hurt......

If you are so worried about "reporting it", then why not have a quiet word, or leave a note on her windsreen along the lines of "stop driving or you will be reported" - that way her reaction will tell you whether she gives a toss for others' lives......
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - artful dodger {P}
>>even if the woman is insured, she is BREAKING THE LAW and therefore her insurance is INVALID.

I always thought that an insurance company would meet a third party claim even if the driver broke the terms of their insurance. It is for this reason I always have fully comprehensive insurance with legal protection to claim for any excess. Luckily in 35 years of driving I have never had to make a claim for an accident.


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Roger
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - L'escargot
I always thought that an insurance company would meet a third party claim even if
the driver broke the terms of their insurance.


Well, not in 1981. The other driver's insurer got out of paying my uninsured losses because their client hadn't reported the accident to them.
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L\'escargot.
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Garethj
You'd feel so differently if she hit your car I'd bet.


Not necessarily because I bet she'd pay up for damage in cash pdq. Probably better than 3 months of legal wrangling to end up with 50:50 and a loss of no claims discount.

*Lud made me say that*

:-)
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - mondeo1306
I passed a test
Im insured
my car is taxed and tested
I observe as much of the law as is possible
my tyres are legal


why should anyone be exempt?


"dont report her, shes a single parent"


did i get her pregnant too?.....i dont remember if i did!

Edited by mondeo1306 on 02/08/2009 at 15:09

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - captain chaos
Please please don't anyone complain about rising insurance premiums thanks to the MIB paying out for injuries caused by uninsured and/or unlicensed drivers
No, insurance companies won't pay out if you don't have a license. They won't pay out if you fit a rear spoiler without telling them, either.
Too late when she knocks down a child and kills them. Then drives off.
Unlicensed, uninsured drivers? Burn the lot of 'em

Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Bagpuss
Please please don't anyone complain about rising insurance premiums thanks to the MIB


MIB = Men In Black?
Who to inform - someone driving without licence - Lud
insurance companies won't pay out if you don't have a license


They won't pay you for anything that is your fault, however comprehensive the insurance may be. But they will pay out for third party liability, which is what counts here.

Surely it must be a myth that insurance premiums are so high because of all the uninsured and unlicensed drivers? I would have thought it had more to do with the absurdly inflated cost of repairing minor body damage to bumperless, fragile modern cars driven by licensed and insured incompetent twerps. In fact I would bet money on it.

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