First car questions - fivebyfive
Hi,

I am working for a year (gap year) and then I am off to uni. I have got a job and I pretty much need a car to get there. Most of the trip is on the motorway and its about 13 miles journey. However I plan to use the car when I come back from uni in the hols, so it's got to last a while.
I've been looking at cars, so far at VW Golf's and Fiestas as they are cheap to run and insure. Corsa's have also been suggested. The main issue is money, I have about £2000 limit on spending on the car, however the less money I spend the better. Obviously I want something that is reliable, cheap to run and cheap on insurance. Anyone have anymore suggestions or more specific ones?
I have a question about insurance aswell; I am going to insure my Mum as the main driver as she is obviously going to be cheaper then me to cover. Can she use her no claims bonus on my car even though she is already using it on hers? My car is going to be bought in her name. I've been driving for over a year insured on my sister?s car as a second driver. Due to this I cannot do pass plus? Thanks for your advice it is much appreciated.
First car questions - steveo30
old mk2 polos are good...late 80's early 90s are solid little tanks that dont rust or wear out

worth a look if dont mind the looks
First car questions - fivebyfive
Thanks, i'll take a look at them.
First car questions - Welliesorter
I have a question about insurance aswell; I am going to
insure my Mum as the main driver as she is obviously
going to be cheaper then me to cover. Can she use
her no claims bonus on my car even though she is
already using it on hers?


I'm pretty sure that it's not possible to use the same no claims bonus on two cars. Part of the reason is to prevent just the sort of fraud you're talking about.

I believe if you were to make a claim, and the insurance company found out that you were really the main driver, you could be in trouble. I'm sure someone with more knowledge of these things will be along shortly to confirm or refute this.
First car questions - Adam {P}
I would be very very careful. Last year when I got my first car, the plan was to put Mum on and then me as a named driver. The insurance company said if we did this, I could only go on 2 journies a week and neither of those could be to a place of work or education. This sounded strange so when we queried it with other insurance companies, they all said the same (and I'm talking about main ones). Prior to that, I was insured on Dad's car from when I first started to drive but only as a named driver so I was in pretty much the same situation as you are now.

Essentially, you know and they know what you're trying to do so you can see why they do it. If you crashed (which statistically you are more likely to) then you're really in trouble because then I would presume they start looking into who drives the car mainly.

Dad has told me they even go so far as looking at CCTV at places of work to see how many times the car is parked there.

Sorry
Adam
First car questions - Adam {P}
God only knows why I've spelt journeys like that. It's been a long day.
Adam
First car questions - fivebyfive
Thanks for your advice, does not sound like such a good idea. You know what money is like when your a student though, it doesn't grow on trees.
Is there anything i can do to make my insurance lower? Like i said i think its too late for me to do pass plus.
First car questions - Welliesorter
though, it doesn't grow on trees.
Is there anything i can do to make my insurance lower?
Like i said i think its too late for me to
do pass plus.


Shop around and then shop around some more!

Liverpool Victoria/Frizzell (same company) have a good reputation and are often good for inexperienced drivers. When I started driving (albeit at a much later age than you) I found they beat the nearest quote by several hundred pounds and still offered better cover.
First car questions - Adam {P}
Really?

My Mum swears by LV but they were...not the cheapest shall we say, for my first car, and the one I've just got. My first year I went with Tesco which hands down were the cheapest. The second, oddly enough they were one of the most expensive so I left.

Give Tesco a go online. 10% discount as well.

ALSO, if you insure it in your name, you're building up no claims which you have to get sometime.

Good luck
Adam
First car questions - hxj

Just remember that headline price is not the only thing that counts.

I am with Frizzell and always find them very competitive and in particular really helpful and realistic when you are faced with a challenge. That latter point is worth a lot more than saving £50.
First car questions - fivebyfive
Thanks guys, you've given me some really good advice. Tesco do look very cheap. Looks like its going to cost £1000 to insure me! I'll let you know how i get on, in the mean time if anyone else has got any more suggestions then i will be happy to hear them.
First car questions - andymc {P}
One web-based insurance site is www.confused.com - they claim to do a search of most of the insurance companies in the country (97%?) in order to find the cheapest quote. I don't know whether that's a gimmick or not. I've heard of another company that do something similar, but can't remember their name. I found elephant.co.uk pretty reasonable when I was getting high quotes after a claim a few years back, and they have a "bonus accelerator" scheme whereby you pay for 10 months' insurance - so long as you're claim-free during that period, they'll give you a full year's no-claims bonus at renewal. You can do that till you've got a full five years, but it may not pay for itself. I did it for a couple of years, but then their renewal costs started to become uncompetitive.
Endsleigh claims to specialise in providing cover for students, so they might be worth a try. I've also seen a company called Club 17-40 (or something like that) which claims to provide cheaper insurance for younger drivers. Adrian Flux is another like this, although I think they target younger drivers of fast/modded cars. Can't do any harm to check them out.
If you're a member of the AA (or, presumably, another organisation such as RAC, GreenFlag), they'll give you a discount on their insurance. That's what I did last time around. I clicked on their popup ad on this site to get the quote, which generates some income for this site and helps to keep it going - hint, hint ;)
Many banks are now offering insurance to their customers and it may be worth checking out whether any of them have offers/discounts for those who lodge their student loans in their bank.
If either of your parents is in a union or professional body, they may have access to some kind of deal whereby their family can access whatever discounted offers the union has secured for their members.
And yes, whatever you do, get it in your own name. Might still help if your mum is on as a named driver.
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First car questions - fivebyfive
Thanks Andy, elephant.co.uk have quoted me £529 for 10 months. Not bad.
First car questions - fivebyfive
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First car questions - andymc {P}
50k miles since 1993? I'd make sure the service book backs that up. It says "service history" in the ad, rather than "full VW service history", which is not necessarily the same thing. Plus, I've seen a few Mercs of a similar vintage for that sort of money on Autotrader! Admittedly with nearly treble the miles, but you get my point.

The ad says that all their cars come with a 6 month warranty, but that's pretty much down to the lemon law that came in last year, which means that if you buy a car from a trader and it goes wrong within the first six months, the onus is on the trader to prove the problem did not exist at the time of sale. If the trader can't do this, I can't remember if the only requirement is for the trader to fix the problem FOC or if there's also something about partial refunds/rejecting the car. Perhaps someone else can help here. Regardless, what I'm saying is don't let this be used as a selling point - all traders operate under this condition.

I'm not saying it's a bad car - it might be in sound condition. That's a very high price though. For comparison, near me there are a couple of examples of the same model you're looking at, one the same year with 68k miles, but for £450, another one a year older, for the same price, both being sold by traders. Another trader has a 1995 model with 56k miles and full MOT for £850.

Try searching for a Nissan Micra or Toyota Starlet, see what you come up with.
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First car questions - fivebyfive
Thanks Andy, your input is much appreciated.
First car questions - Mark (RLBS)
Whilst one must disclose everything to an insurer, one can also do it quite litereally.

If you are not using the vehicle to & from Uni and over the year your Mother is the main user, tehre is no reason why you should not insure it in her name with ehr as the main user. Although she will not be able to use NCD earned on one vehicle as a discount on two.

But, are you sure that she will be the main user ? Especially given that she has her own car ?

The limit of two jurnies (Thanks Adski) per week to Uni is not so much a logical limit as much as clearly showing that at more than that you are clearly the main user, not her.
First car questions - Roberson
Hi,

I start uni this year too and learned to drive last year for pretty much the same reason. (Need a car to get there). You say that you have looked at Fiestas because they are cheap to insure. When we looked for a car, it turned out that these were bad to insure because some insurance companies charge more for different specs. I.E One could cost over £100 more to insure just because it has different upholstery and a sunroof!

IMO getting insured on someone else?s policy is more hassle than it is worth. You don?t even get any no claims bonus for when you get your own policy. Actually, I have just renewed my car insurance and found that many of the companies recommended by others here were not that cheap, especially not if your going to get your own policy.

Trying to keep the cost down is difficult (God knows, I've tried hard) Third party is what I have gone for. Fully comp was quite reasonable with only 1 years no claims but its just not worth it on a car worth as little as mine. Also make sure that your quotes are based on realistic mileages. (Don?t get insured for 10K if your really going to do only 8K). Apart from this, there is nothing else you can do to keep the cost down apart from shop around and get a small car.

I found that Norwich Union was the cheapest available in my first year, giving a quote of £919 for 12 months on a 1043cc 1993 Polo Genesis, covering 8000 miles a year with Pass Plus.

However in my second year Admiral was the best, quoting £715 for the same scenario with 1 years no claims. Tesco was expensive in my view, but hey, shop around like williesorter says.

As for the car, I find the 1990 to 1994 Polos one of the best. The example you have there seems OK, but I agree with Andy that it is a little expensive. Try elsewhere as you can get the same car or better for less money. 50K is low, meaning that it could have been used for door to door runs, but if the service history is OK then it may not represent a problem. A Full VW S.H is good but not essential on these cars. There are a few things you should check, like:

-After a long run, make sure it starts after 10-15 minutes rest. If it fails to start, then the distributor has gone.

-Make sure the idle is smooth and steady. If not, the breather system is shot.

For more details see www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index...m

If you can, get a Genesis model. They come with either 1.3 5 Speed or 1.05 4 speed, Tinted windows, rev-counter, sunroof, split fold rear seats and nice upholstery all as standard.

Hope this helps
First car questions - Adam {P}
It does pay to shop around as I'm with Norwich Union now who were pretty bad in the first year.

It should be noted that when talking to my mates, they all stare at me with blank faces (not unusual) when I mention the 2 journey limit and say they've never heard that. Mind you, one reckons he's insured for £400 so either he knowingly isn't insured or thinks he is insured and isn't.

5 of the insurers named in this thread told me about the 2 journey limit, 4 of them as if it was common knowledge.

I'll back Roberson up re the Fiesta insurance. I paid through the nose because it was a 16v and a Ghia. Why fake walnut trim would make the car more crashable though...;-)

Hope this helps
Adam
First car questions - PhilW
When students my daughter found Endsleigh the cheapest and my son used Direct Line - they also liked Clios!
First car questions - Hawesy1982
Endsleigh can be good as long as you have a small, low-powered car - which you should have so give them a look.

They didn't like my 306 DTurbo or Escort 1.6, offering me £3000 a year compared to Elephant/Admiral offering £800.



BIG (LEGAL) WAY TO SAVE MONEY FOR YOUNG DRIVERS!

Ok, as far as i can see this is perfectly legal, and has been saving me around £150 a year for the past two years.

I have my own fully comp policy, and add my parents (both with clean driving history) as named drivers on my car below me.

Firstly this could conceivably be handy if for some unknown reason one of my parents needed to use my car, in which case they'd be fully comp rather than third party under their own policy.

Secondly, because they are named drivers, the insurance company presumably thinks that they will be doing a portion of my cars mileage, therefore for those miles the car is lower-risk, therefore lower premium. As i said above, for the last two years the difference has been around £150 for me, and i see no illegality or deception in what i am doing - please correct me if im wrong!
First car questions - David Horn
I went through an independent insurance broker to get my insurance - following his advice, we registered the car (Citroen Xsara 1.9TD) in my mum's name, and took out the policy in her name, but me named as the main driver. I pointed out to him that I'm heading off to Leeds (from Devon) this September and he assured me it would be fine. (Insured with the Co-Op.)

Total cost was £800 last year, and £815 this year with a 1 year no claims. (I'm the main driver, so I get the NCD ;-)) They apologised for pushing the price up so much, apparently it's people crashing uninsured. I let my parents deal with it and then write them the cheques!