Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

We've just re-insured our three cars at an average cost of just over £200 each, fully comp, protected on two policies, legal protection on all three, all including yet more tax taken by any increasingly indebted state.

Considering just how incompetent so many drivers are these days, and how greedy some people are re jumping on the claims bandwagon for the slightest nudge, isn't car insurance at an all time relatively low cost for most of us?

Its never been as cheap in real terms as it is for us over the last 5 years.

Some young people spend what we spend on a year's car insurance on a night out.

How long can this go on, will we see massive rises in coming years?

Will the state, for instance, get round to invoicing the insured held to blame for state (police, coroner, hospital etc) costs for accidents where fatal and serious injuries result leading to apparently huge £1m+ costs? if the state did that could be a game changer, or does the state do that already?

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Andrew-T

I presume you are on the maximum maximum NCD, GB ?

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

I presume you are on the maximum maximum NCD, GB ?

On two cars yes, but two years NCD only on the third policy (ironically the cheapest, below £200) which now covers my 21 year old 320 Merc.

I investigated classic insurance for the Merc but it was no cheaper, and they were reluctant to cover commuting, and part of the pleasure of owning the the old girl is going to work in it in nice weather otherwise it would seldom get used as we now have three dogs and they are definately not allowed in that.

Been lucky claims wise, so far, and i don't claim for glass either because the whole screen scene is a rip off, i can get new screens fitted for about twice the price of the excess by avoiding the usual suspect heavy advertisers, and i do have new screens as soon as they start to chip or scratch.

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/02/2017 at 09:56

Insurance, remarkable value for money - SLO76
Have to agree. I hear plenty of people complaining about insurance costs but shop around and there's money to be saved. Our CRV with much younger other half (and her one claim) is £259, our Polo £185 and the Cougar V6 I had as a toy until recently was £210 despite having no NCB I could use on that policy. Low risk area helps hugely.
Insurance, remarkable value for money - RobJP

I'm 47, SWMBO is 46. We live in rural North Wales.

2015 Z4. Just renewed the policy last week. £212, 6k miles per annum.

2013 325d MSport touring. £236. 15k miles per annum. Up for renewal in April.

2007 Shogun Sport (winter/farm vehicle). £197, 6k miles per annum. Renewed in December.

All policies SDP, commuting and business use.

I remember paying £450 per annum for a Rover 213S worth £4k when I was 20, and I was earning about £120 per week. Going by the same earnings inflation and upping the value to modern prices, the 325d would be costing me in the region of £4-£5k to insure. Even allowing for huge NCD it would still be 4 figures.

EDIT : I typed the 325d insurance wrong. Fat fingers. Actually 236, not 326 !

Edited by RobJP on 17/02/2017 at 11:06

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Andrew-T

I'm 47, SWMBO is 46. We live in rural North Wales.

2015 Z4. Just renewed the policy last week. £212, 6k miles per annum.

Can anyone say how much the premium is affected by quoting an annual mileage of (say) 4K compared to 10K ?

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

Can anyone say how much the premium is affected by quoting an annual mileage of (say) 4K compared to 10K ?

Very little i would suggest between those two for mr average, i think postcode is a biggie just as claims and offences history, i also suggest people should not claim for glass unless absolutely necessary, it may not affect NCD but it will be noted as a claim.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Andrew-T

Can anyone say how much the premium is affected by quoting an annual mileage of (say) 4K compared to 10K ?

Very little i would suggest between those two for mr average, i think postcode is a biggie just as claims and offences history, i also suggest people should not claim for glass unless absolutely necessary, it may not affect NCD but it will be noted as a claim.

That was what I suspected. There is therefore little point in nominating a mileage limit just to save a few quid, in case circs change and you have to do extra miles. Allow plenty of wiggle room.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Wackyracer

Can anyone say how much the premium is affected by quoting an annual mileage of (say) 4K compared to 10K ?

For me the difference between 4k and 10k was a whole £9 when I enquired a couple of years back.

I think age and location has alot to do with the price, Moving out of London reduced my insurance alot. My insurance would be more expensive if I said the car was parked in my garage overnight rather than parking it on the drive.

My parents (both retired) pay just £140 for comprehensive insurance.

Edited by Wackyracer on 17/02/2017 at 12:22

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Steveieb

Are you able to give us a clue towards the name of your insurer

Insurance, remarkable value for money - RobJP

Are you able to give us a clue towards the name of your insurer

Not sure which of us this is directed to.

I'm with Cornmarket.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - RT

Are you able to give us a clue towards the name of your insurer

Not sure which of us this is directed to.

I'm with Cornmarket.

Is that the IAM Surety insurance? It's excellent value and their under-writers don't over-load premiums after a fault write-off.

BUT - every 4-5 years the premium goes sky-high and you need to get them to "price-match" which they've never failed to do for me - but we shouldn't have to ask.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - malcolmgg

For many years I have had very reasonable premiums, but wait until you retire, my policy with John Lewis nearly doubled last year. I changed company, but according to my broker, this is now the norm. I do far less miles, no business use, but still the massive rise.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Miniman777

For many years I have had very reasonable premiums, but wait until you retire, my policy with John Lewis nearly doubled last year. I changed company, but according to my broker, this is now the norm. I do far less miles, no business use, but still the massive rise.

Thanks for that nugget - I will keep working part time then rather than be fully retired. :)

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

For many years I have had very reasonable premiums, but wait until you retire, my policy with John Lewis nearly doubled last year. I changed company, but according to my broker, this is now the norm. I do far less miles, no business use, but still the massive rise.

That's not been SWMBO experience with Saga, yes they did increase the premium at last (or was it the one before? hmm) renewal but were happy to match the lowest quote from a proper company, be interesting to see what her renewal is like this time.

Just out of interest, as others have found Direct Line offered the cheapest onlne quote this time, they don't feature on the comparison sites so you have to try them direct...boom boom.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - RT

For many years I have had very reasonable premiums, but wait until you retire, my policy with John Lewis nearly doubled last year. I changed company, but according to my broker, this is now the norm. I do far less miles, no business use, but still the massive rise.

That's not been my experience - when I retired (early) I declared lower mileage and no need for commuting or business use and the premium went down - premiums do rise with age over 70 but very slowly.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

Are you able to give us a clue towards the name of your insurer

If that question is for me, i'm with Cornmarket in Belfast, who specialise in HGV/PSV and IAM qualified drivers.

They send their renewals out and most times they are as good as any, but if you do an online search on one of the comparison sites and its cheaper they will look to see what they can do.

I play this game fairly with them, as you know there are some insurers (brokers) out there who are known for giving cheap quotes then hitting you for excess 'admin' charges whenever they can and if you were foolish enough to have a car change mid term its bend over time, i wouldn't do any decent company the disservice of even mentioning a quote from one of these, so i scan the quotes until a find a company i would use, then when we've adjusted the excesses and added legal cover, oh and applied 'protection', very often the prices are so close as to be not worth mentioning anyway, but if there is a substantial difference they will do their best to keep you as a customer.

I will add that Cornmarket have proved good to deal with, i haven't to claim myself by my son's colleague has and the non fault claim was handled superbly.

SWMBO (retired) is with Saga (one of the three cars), who have proved good to deal with and helpful at car change time without trying to burn you, very fair pricing, her premium Outback H6 with LPG £208 inc legal and protected plicy.

I was with NFU for years for cars home pet etc, in my honest opinion NFU are probably the best insurer out there for all types of cover (local office at Pitsford), unfortunately insuring just one of my vehicles with them would cost around what i pay for all three, so i pays my money and hopes for the best.

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/02/2017 at 15:37

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Falkirk Bairn

A few years ago Son & DiL, late 30s were some £650 for a Panamera & 3 series Touring - Full NCB.

Off to the USA for a few years - after 3 years their premium is just under £2,000 for an BMW X5 & 430 - & that is for 6 Months!!

Back here is brother is £700 for a year old M3 & new Mini.

You could say car insurance here is cheap.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Steveieb
Joining Boundless which was Civil Service Motoring gives members free legal assistance and a discount from LV which are rated up there with NFU in Which but at a fraction of the cost.
And a total of 15 % discount if you take their Home Insurance too.
Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

I tried to buy insurance from LV once, it proved almost impossible to even pay them a premium, which is something all other companies have no trouble with, i gave up and went elsewhere, Coop IIRC that year.

I had a short fuse with companies and call centres at the time, having been a victim of NTL, dear Lord.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - RT

I tried to buy insurance from LV once, it proved almost impossible to even pay them a premium, which is something all other companies have no trouble with, i gave up and went elsewhere, Coop IIRC that year.

I had a short fuse with companies and call centres at the time, having been a victim of NTL, dear Lord.

I've never managed to get a quote of of LV - obviously the "wrong" sort of profile!

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Miniman777

NFU are picky on occupations. I am a journalist by trade, and they would not offer a quote for motor or house insurance, yet I am as normal as the next bloke....

Insurance, remarkable value for money - SLO76
I'm with Direct Line. They always try to load it the following year, it shot up to over £440 until I shopped around and called them to see if they'd match and they almost always do. Esure supplied the £210 quote on the Cougar with zero NCB and I was 39 at the time.
Insurance, remarkable value for money - Fishermans Bend

LV here, mother too. Always easy to deal with, premium hardly rises each year unlike previous companies.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

Just renewed the two cars with Cornmarket once more, the old Merc less than £200 (renewed), the Landcruiser quote was up to just short of £300.

A run round the comparison sites found Saga offering £273, wife happy enough with them and i would have been happy to change, unfortunately their website wouldn't play ball and a phone call to them proved pointless because they couldn't find my quote on the system, and a telephone quote was some £300, so scotch that.

Today i searched Direct Line who came in at £250ish, protected policy, £250 total excess, legal.

Would have been quite happy to go with them, but Cornmarket once again met the challenge so have stayed with them, £40 saved.

We keep hearing premiums are rising which is not my experience, is this becoming a postcode based pricing problem more than just general rises, where those in cities and other more busy areas are seeing the large rises.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - 72 dudes

Just renewed the insurance on my fun car, 2006 SLK350. £167 including a £20 discount for renewing online. Full protected NCB, Legal Exp, 4000 miles p.a SDP and Business Use. Hefty excess of £300 though. IAM Cornmarket have failed to price match on this car for two years running, so I've stuck with GA,

2007 Merc A180 CDi, 8000 pa SDP and Business Use, max protected NCB, Legal Exp, zero excess was £201 due April, this is with Cornmarket.

So I agree that shopping around can produce some low insurance quotes. I think it helps considerably that I live in Suffolk.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - oldroverboy.

I agree that shopping around can produce some low insurance quotes. I think it helps considerably that I live in Suffolk.

I live in Essex... Kia venga 2 1.4 manual 8k pa.. social domestic commuting and between hospitals for swmbo.. EU cover included.....£185 ish fully com £200 excess, coupe of £ more than last year but ok.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Engineer Andy

Just renewed the two cars with Cornmarket once more, the old Merc less than £200 (renewed), the Landcruiser quote was up to just short of £300.

A run round the comparison sites found Saga offering £273, wife happy enough with them and i would have been happy to change, unfortunately their website wouldn't play ball and a phone call to them proved pointless because they couldn't find my quote on the system, and a telephone quote was some £300, so scotch that.

Today i searched Direct Line who came in at £250ish, protected policy, £250 total excess, legal.

Would have been quite happy to go with them, but Cornmarket once again met the challenge so have stayed with them, £40 saved.

We keep hearing premiums are rising which is not my experience, is this becoming a postcode based pricing problem more than just general rises, where those in cities and other more busy areas are seeing the large rises.

I quite agree - when I moved out of my parents' home about 12 years ago (I was in my early 30s), from a small-medium sized town near London (lots of traffic) to one half the size in a rural area with only a rush hour in the evening and quiet the rest of the day, my car insurance (same cover, 8 years PNCD, same insurer [Esure]) was £50 (12%) lower at £367. Its gradually dropped to what it is now, about £250 (same circumstances). Only one year did it go up, and only to about £300 from £280.

It seems as though, once you've been driving (whether you first own a car at 17 or like me, starting at 24 [previous car]) for 5-7 years, your insurance drops like a stone (it did on my previous car, a 1.0 Micra from the 1990s, and for many people I know), but living in a 'high risk' area (though they never seem to take into account where you work, which I would think is VERY important) known for accidents, thefts and/or fraud (cash for crash etc) seems to make a reasonable difference.

What would also be interesting is to hear the views of any backroomers who are older than 70, maybe 75+, as it seems as though they are now being more heavily penalised for their age than used to be the case. My dad, who's nearly 75 himself and who worked in insurance for 35+ years, said that age premiums for older drivers seem to be rising faster than for middle-aged ones. I must admit feeling very sorry for younger drivers, as they seem forced into getting those telemetrics gizmos and still have to pay really steep prices for the first 5 years even if they don't have any claims or accidents (i.e. non-fault).

To me, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of transparency in the industry as a whole as to how they often get wildly different quotes for the same cover, even for 'very low risk' people/cars - whilst there seems to be a lot of competition with lots of firms, I'm not so sure, as many are just 'names' owned by larger insurers, and, like with fuel prices, seem to base their pricing structure on what the 'market leaders' are charging rather than what they can afford plus a decent profit margin.

What would be useful is how the quality of customer service differs from one insurer to the next, when you need to claim. I suppose it often comes down to a cost-benefit analysis as to the premium paid versus the frequency of claims and potential claims experience you may get from them. Its always difficult to ascertain the quality of these products unless you actually make a claim, and even then it could be luck either way - unless many others have also given their opinion on them for claims, your experience might be the anomaly.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - skidpan

We've just re-insured our three cars at an average cost of just over £200 each, fully comp, protected on two policies, legal protection on all three

I renewed the insurance our our Suberb, Note and Caterham back in November. Fully Comp, protected no claims on all but the Caterham total cost £480. I have an seperate Legal protection policy which covers all 3 cars and the house for £25 a year, far cheaper than buying with each insurance. So an average of approx £166 a car.

Should add that the wife had an accident In August when white van man (a plumber actually) rear ended her. Notified insurance but he paid the garage direct for the repairs (£1600) so no claim really. Based on the multiple posts on this forum I expected the insurance to increase but Aviva garanteed the non claim would not affect the premium. When the renewal arrived it had actually increased by only £2 from last year but after a phone call they agreed to drop the cost for the Note and Skoda by £35.

Result.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

A blanket legal cover, why on earth didn't i think of that.

Any pointers please Skidpan?, this is definately something to look at, and now i think of it it's entirely possible my union membership (Unite) automatically covers me anyway.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Miniman777

Yes what a great idea. More details please.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - colinh

Beware which email address you use with Admiral!!

""The investigation, carried out by The Sun newspaper, saw a series of insurance applications submitted via comparison websites Confused, MoneySupermarket and GoCompare. By keeping all details the same and just changing email address from Hotmail to Gmail, premiums increased by £5.60 with confused, £6.57 with MoneySupermarket and £31.36 with GoCompare."

Insurance, remarkable value for money - skidpan

A blanket legal cover, why on earth didn't i think of that.

Any pointers please Skidpan?, this is definately something to look at, and now i think of it it's entirely possible my union membership (Unite) automatically covers me anyway.

I use a company called MEM online. Not had a claim so no idea how they actually perform but when the wife was rear ended last August they were strait on it and checked the other parties details whilst I was on the phone. Since the other chap paid for the repairs direct we never got to the claim stage.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - gordonbennet

I use a company called MEM online. Not had a claim so no idea how they actually perform but when the wife was rear ended last August they were strait on it and checked the other parties details whilst I was on the phone. Since the other chap paid for the repairs direct we never got to the claim stage.

Much obliged for that, i'm definately going to look into this.

Unfortunately we're all a bit green about how good any service provider is when the stuff hits the fan, as i've said before i found NFU insurance to be above and beyond the call of duty when needed, but they are just so expensive now that i can't justify.

Insurance, remarkable value for money - Manatee

Beware which email address you use with Admiral!!

""The investigation, carried out by The Sun newspaper, saw a series of insurance applications submitted via comparison websites Confused, MoneySupermarket and GoCompare. By keeping all details the same and just changing email address from Hotmail to Gmail, premiums increased by £5.60 with confused, £6.57 with MoneySupermarket and £31.36 with GoCompare."

This report

www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/102422/your-hotmail...s

can't make up its mind which way round it is, whether gmail or hotmail is best.