Any - Plod's luxury cars - Snakey

I see the A1(M) around my way is now sprinkled with lots of coppers 'spy' cars - the jam sandwich is no more.

What I find rather incongruous is that they are all brand new Mercedes, BMW and Audis. Austerity obviously doesn't apply to this lot. Bleating about cuts is one thing, but rolling out in a car most of us can't afford (as a private car anyway) sticks in the throat.

I'm sure someone will stick up for them telling me its all about value for money yada yada, but in no way is it justified tooling them up with luxury branded cars - unless of course they're a reward for their fine collection ability. They aren't for stopping speeding around here as the a1(m) is covered in speed camera and you're lucky if you can top 40mph on a good day.

Anyway rant over. I'm sure next time I scratch my nose, or lift my hand from the steering wheel for a second to change the radio that a black,unmarked ferrari will pull me over for a £60 fine....

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Hamsafar

I agree. In most other European countries they have basic cars.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Bromptonaut

What's 's your objection, the cars themselves or their supposedly 'stealth' livery?

While cameras are OK for catching plain vanilla speeding they're useless for more egregious and truly dangerous driving. Nor can they pursue villains on the run.

The fact is Police have always had high powered cars for these sort of roles. Way back when they were Jags, SD1 Rovers or the higher end of the Vauxhall or Ford ranges - Ventoras or Zodiacs. They, and todays Audis etc were workplaces. I doubt t hey've got the full luxury trim of the top of range showroom model and they'll be packed with police kit, radios etc. Do you really think driving one of those for an eight hour plus shift, interspersed with attending crashes and other crime scenes, is somehow like hiring one for a fun weekend?

And I'm sure N Yorks police have more basic models patrolling the streets of Northallerton. Although, when our neighbours phoned 999 at 01:30 following an attempted break in it was a M/way car that attended 'cos being on the M1 at time it was nearest.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Brit_in_Germany

Perhaps it is another police car scam.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10866270.Lancashire_Constabulary_Detectives_sacked_for_car_buying_scam/

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Snakey

Does make you wonder! Doesn't matter how you cut it, a Mercedes is going to cost more than a Mondeo, and the mondeo is more than fit for purpose.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - RobJP

Does make you wonder! Doesn't matter how you cut it, a Mercedes is going to cost more than a Mondeo, and the mondeo is more than fit for purpose.

But is it really fit for purpose ?

Try spending 6-8 hours a day driving. A mondeo seat isn't the most comfortable place to be. A decade or 2 ago, a lot of the police big utility cars for M-way use were Volvos or Range Rovers - the Volvos especially were reknowned for being comfortable to drive, sue to the seat design. The RRs were used because they could see over traffic, and had the sheer grunt to haul almost anything out of the way if needed.

These days, they are using 5-series estates, A6 estates and E-class estates for the same purposes. If you go to a county fair this summer, you'll probably see a police stand. Go over and have a look at the amount of gear they carry, and the 'luxury' spec you seem to imagine their cars are fitted out with. You may just start to change your mind a bit

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Bromptonaut

Does make you wonder! Doesn't matter how you cut it, a Mercedes is going to cost more than a Mondeo, and the mondeo is more than fit for purpose.

It's the total cost over the car's operational life that counts. Purchase, conversion, running and depreciation to final sale price on being withdrawn from service. ISTR those here concerned with leasing company cars point out that monthly payments for a MErc or BMW are much closer to a Ford than you might think.

Something to do with higher residuals.

If you're that bothered some FOI requests to police authority and engagement with your electd Commissioner might be in order.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - alan1302

Does make you wonder! Doesn't matter how you cut it, a Mercedes is going to cost more than a Mondeo, and the mondeo is more than fit for purpose.

But how much do the police pay - they obvisouly get them discounted and probably lease rather than buy them.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Auristocrat

As far as I'm aware police forces moved away from Range Rovers towards BMW X-series due to the reliability factor, Some forces still use JLR products - West Mids use the Jaguar XF.

The police have also centralised their purchasing - rather than each force carrying out procurement - and this has led to fewer suppliers, larger contracts, and less specialisations in terms of equipment.

Approx 3 years ago West Midlands Fire Service started a pilot exercise for fast response vehicles and used Discoveries. When the pilot was over, and judged to be a success, they eschewed the JLR products and bought modified Toyota Hilux vehicles, as these were more suitable for the purpose (and also considerably cheaper). They've bought more Hilux pick ups (more standard in terms of eqiuipment) and use these for general duties.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - TedCrilly

If that is your biggest gripe in life.........I am jealous.

I cant imagine the police being badge snobs, if the Audi/BMW/MB option provides the best compromise I dont have a problem. If we the public are going to expect them to catch crims its not unreasonable to expect them to use vehicles that perform in the same way the crims vehicles do.......give us the tools to do the job etc.

Consider also that maybe the cost is offset by using cheaper vehicles where they can and for general use, Hyundais and Protons and bargain basement Fiestas and Corsas.

The police will always attract a share of negativity but at the end of the day if you dont give them a reason to bother you they generaly dont.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Snakey

I guess that article answered my question. 6 to 12 months later they're bought by plod privately - who probably are badge snobs, they can't take their mondeo down to the lodge when everyone else has a MB.

I'm sure the legions of Mondeo drivers would argue they're no worse than a bmw/audi/merc for sitting in all day.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Bromptonaut

I guess that article answered my question. 6 to 12 months later they're bought by plod privately

That was a case of officers in one unit of one force. They were detectives in a specialised branch who were too stupid for belief. And now they're out of a job. What are the career options for a copper sacked for dishonesty?

Covert operations are NOT the same thing as using unliveried* cars for motorway enforcement. If items such as blue lights behind the rad grille and a festoon of aerials are obvious to a passing motorist they're not going to pass muster staking out a bank heist are they?

If you really think N Yorks officers are on a similar scam you have a DUTY to report it to the Commissioner.

* Thinking about it I seem to remember a suggestion that the value of 'jam sarnie' livery was being questioned. While it certainly creats a law abiding 'bubble' around individual vehicles it has little real deterrent value. Furthermore its application, requirement for a pale coloured base coat and removal at end of service life add a significant cost.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Snakey

If that is your biggest gripe in life.........I am jealous.

I cant imagine the police being badge snobs, if the Audi/BMW/MB option provides the best compromise I dont have a problem. If we the public are going to expect them to catch crims its not unreasonable to expect them to use vehicles that perform in the same way the crims vehicles do.......give us the tools to do the job etc.

Consider also that maybe the cost is offset by using cheaper vehicles where they can and for general use, Hyundais and Protons and bargain basement Fiestas and Corsas.

The police will always attract a share of negativity but at the end of the day if you dont give them a reason to bother you they generaly dont.

Nope, not my biggest gripe in life. However I was under the impression this was a motoring forum, and this is a motoring observation.

Back to discussing the longevity of Ford Focus clutches then...

Any - Plod's luxury cars - RobJP

I guess that article answered my question. 6 to 12 months later they're bought by plod privately - who probably are badge snobs, they can't take their mondeo down to the lodge when everyone else has a MB.

If you go to auctions, you'll see ex-police cars there regularly. Dashes with holes in (mounting brackets for radios, etc) roof with holes in (aerials), 100-200k miles on the clock, strip marks on the bodywork where the logos and stripes were.

So the cars are sold at auction, and are tatty when sold. I've seen them, at BCA and others.

And yet you believe the police are buying them out themselves. Got any evidence to back that up, or is it another conspirscy theory from the tinfoil-hatted brigade ?

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Ian_SW

I think quite a lot of the reason why they use BMWs and Audis is they are the only suppliers of properly quick diesels. Both Ford and Vauxhall don't do anything above the sales rep 2 litre 160bhp, which isn't quick enough for fast response/pursuit cars. Back in the day when fuel was cheaper, a Vectra V6 GSI was a very common traffic or response police car. Its modern equivalent, the Insignia VXR would cost more in extra fuel over 150k miles, than the price difference to a 3 litre diesel Audi A6.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - TedCrilly

Many many years ago I relaised its pointless debating with cynics, even less trying to reason with them.

If you can provide evidence that the police buy hi-spec/performance cars outright and then auction them off within 12 months I will go to the top of the road I live on, drop my pants and stand there for 1 hour.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - alan1302

Many many years ago I relaised its pointless debating with cynics, even less trying to reason with them.

If you can provide evidence that the police buy hi-spec/performance cars outright and then auction them off within 12 months I will go to the top of the road I live on, drop my pants and stand there for 1 hour.

I do hope they can't prove it now!!

Any - Plod's luxury cars - gordonbennet

Me too, picture evidence please of Ted Crilly being handcuffed and shoved into the rich velour back seat of some overluxurious patrol car.

Hope it's not cold that day, or will modern zoom do...

:-))

Any - Plod's luxury cars - dan86

The police drive Hyundis round here unless their the response units witch are exclusively BMW 530 diesels.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - daveyK_UK

There was an unmarked 5 series estate 3.0 diesel on a 08 plate with 81k on the clock and 13 services sold at Preston BCA today.

Anybody know what it went for?

There was no trade guide price provided on BCA as the car was 'police spec'.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - RobJP

There was an unmarked 5 series estate 3.0 diesel on a 08 plate with 81k on the clock and 13 services sold at Preston BCA today.

Anybody know what it went for?

There was no trade guide price provided on BCA as the car was 'police spec'.

That is a remarkably low mileage for one of those, after police use.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - daveyK_UK

I did observe the police know when go get shut of their vehicles before they require extensive major work.

They get rid of their fiat/GM 1.3 diesels around 80 - 95k, my experience and that of many users of this engine is they begin to become expensive at 80k onwards.

Likewise, they run their astra 1.6 petrols upto 150k; again the experience of the few people on the vauxhall forum who have high mileage 1.6 petrol astras is the cars suffer major failure after 150k

Testament to Suburu cars and Mercedes Benz vans, the police seem to keep them until 10 years old regardless of mileage.

I have not noticed many I30s showing up in the auctions to date, some of you may be aware that Hyundai are the choice of many police fleets.

Its rumoured Hyundai have taken a loss on the police contract to under cut Vauxhall and get some market share.

Edited by daveyK_UK on 28/05/2015 at 00:38

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Auristocrat

Hyundai won their police contract in 2010, and last year were awarded a place on the Crown Commercial Services Vehicle Purchase Framework, which continues their access in supplying vehicles to 'blue light' services and widens their access to include the broader public sector (central and local government, health, education, defence, and 'not-for-profit' organisations).

As to whether any manufacturer makes (much) money on such contracts and frameworks is open to question. The 'advertising' factor of the public seeing their vehicles used by the emergency services, central government departments, local government, etc, would probably be worth it to the manufacturer.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Andrew-T

<< That is a remarkably low mileage for one of those, after police use. >>

Must have been clocked then? If it looks too good to be true, ...

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Wackyracer

I met the owner of a company that supplied cars to film sets some years ago and he had a good range of police vehicles still in full livery, He bought those directly from the Police forces and they had low mileages.

Getting back to the point of the OP's post, The Police have always had some top of the range cars Jags, Rovers in my youth and a few years back when they filmed Police interceptors they were driving Mitsubishi Evos and Subaru's.

I seem to remember Ford lending a Police force an RS200.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - John F

Getting back to the point of the OP's post, The Police have always had some top of the range cars Jags, ......

www.google.co.uk/search?q=dubai+police+cars&es...D

Looking forward to seeing one of these......

Any - Plod's luxury cars - P3t3r

I saw some today. They weren't 4x4's, they weren't practical cars, they were luxury cars. I can't remember whether they had four doors. What do they use them for?

Any - Plod's luxury cars - RobJP

So you saw some police cars. You don't know what they were, but you do know they weren't practical. They were 'luxury'. But you don't recall if they had 4 doors.

You'd make a great witness in an accident, wouldn't you ...

Any - Plod's luxury cars - P3t3r

I think it may have been a BMW 6 coupe. I'm pretty sure it was a 2 door one, and it has a hefty price tag. If it wasn't that it would have been something similar.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - SteveLee

The police (actually all tax payer funded bodies) should be forced to buy cars manufactured in the UK (although that would probably break some EUSSR regulation) unless there are particular requirements which forces them to buy elsewhere. LR, Jaguar, Nissan, Honda and Toyota between them could supply anything the police require.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Avant

Fair point, Steve, but unless they go for something like a Morgan or a Caterham, the profits will still go abroad.

Actually I'm surprised that this thread has gone on so long. Bromptonaut got it right at the start of the thread - not surprisingly given his experience in the public sector. Criteria will have been set and a procurement process gone through for all such purchases, and those criteria vary for the job to be done.

It used to be the case - probably still is - that the cars' equipment is carefully specified as well - no unnecessary luxuries but no stinting on the power of the engine for the cars that are going to do the high-aspeed chasing.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - SteveLee

Who care about where the profits go? It keeps people in a job.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - SteveLee

PS I know quite a senior officer whose force insists on buying lots of BMW 3 serieses - they breakdown alot (in police use) and the boot space is terrible - Mondeos would make far better Police cars - he certainly cannot fathom out why they buy them.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - RobJP

The police (actually all tax payer funded bodies) should be forced to buy cars manufactured in the UK (although that would probably break some EUSSR regulation) unless there are particular requirements which forces them to buy elsewhere. LR, Jaguar, Nissan, Honda and Toyota between them could supply anything the police require.

Terrible idea. Think back to the 70s :

Hey, British industry. Build a shoddy overpriced product because we'll buy it anyway !

that's why BL/Rover eventually went bust. They built a poor-quality product that nobody wanted to buy.

The Police, etc will have looked at JLR products in detail. However, if a Jaguar XF estate is, say, £10k more than a 5-series estate, are you really suggesting that the police should be forced to buy the XF ? If so, then can I request that you write to whoever, offering to pay the difference entirely out of your own pocket (as I feel the gov't take enough of my money)

Any - Plod's luxury cars - SteveLee

The police (actually all tax payer funded bodies) should be forced to buy cars manufactured in the UK (although that would probably break some EUSSR regulation) unless there are particular requirements which forces them to buy elsewhere. LR, Jaguar, Nissan, Honda and Toyota between them could supply anything the police require.

Terrible idea. Think back to the 70s :

Hey, British industry. Build a shoddy overpriced product because we'll buy it anyway !

that's why BL/Rover eventually went bust. They built a poor-quality product that nobody wanted to buy.

The Police, etc will have looked at JLR products in detail. However, if a Jaguar XF estate is, say, £10k more than a 5-series estate, are you really suggesting that the police should be forced to buy the XF ? If so, then can I request that you write to whoever, offering to pay the difference entirely out of your own pocket (as I feel the gov't take enough of my money)

What's this got to do with BL etc? I'm talking about cars manufactured in the UK, Toyotas, Hondas etc. Why on earth would they cost more than a 5 series? And even if they did, the cost to the tapayer would be neutral at worse by the time you've taken 10,000+ people off the dole thanks to the extra jobs generated by the new sales.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - daveyjp
Google is a wonderful thing.

www.suffolk-pcc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/...f

All explained if you want to wade through it.
Any - Plod's luxury cars - gordonbennet

Interesting.

I had an ex plod driving school 827 when it was still the current model, it was certainly one of the very best cars i've ever owned very fast with predictable handling, reliable and long lived, the Honda input put the quality durability and reliability into the drive train, pity no one smacked management and union heads together and weeded the greedy out from both camps (or stopped the sale to BMW who wanted MINI and technical expertise), and we might still have Longbridge in full production, however...

the point i want to make is that i used to visit my late brother regularly, his next door neighbour was a motorcycle patrol officer, and during one of their conversations he mentioned that he'd noticed my car and realised what it was and said he and many of his colleagues wanted those Rovers as marked and unmarked cars but not allowed...not trying to cause an argument as it's all water under the bridge now and far too late to save the country from its destiny.

Any - Plod's luxury cars - Bilboman

When production of the SD1 was ending, the Met and one or two other police forces bought up some end-of the-line models to keep their fleets stocked up for a year or two, so that there were one or two E-platers in police livery. Many of the models were in Vanden Plas EFi spec, since the lowlier models had already been snapped up elsewhere.
An unofficial order from senior traffic officers to police drivers was to simulate a manual winding action and open the electric windows in a jerky manner when dealing with a member of the public from within the car, so that Joe Public would not suspect that the BiBs were apparently being spoilt with cars fitted with such luxury accoutrements! (Waste of taxpayers' money, priorities all wrong, they went on bikes in my day, etc. - see earlier postings...)